Christianity in my eyes

[Norselander]

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Look at the Christian morals, and rules, like;

"Turn the other cheek"
If someone walked up to you, and hit you down, what would you do?
Be a good Christian, and just walk away, making him/her believe they can just hit you around, because you do not hit back? Nonono!
You stand up, and hit back twice as hard, and show him that you will not let yourself be hitten around by others!

"Love your enemy"
Why?
Why would i love someone that hates me?
Why should someone i hate love me?
I does not bring any good!
Why should i even bother 'bout people that do not affect me?
I care about my friends, family, people around me, and myself!
I am a individualist, i am my own God!

Look a little at Christianity's history!
When this plague came to Norway, 1000 years ago, they killed everyone that would not believe in Christ!
They were killed in many brutal ways, i have read about it in books that were written down at that time!
Christianity reminds me of Nazism:
One people, one belief!

And that is just what the bible says!
When judgement day comes, all who do not believe in God and Christ, will burn in Hell for eternity!
God and Jesus will together slaughter all who do not believe in them, and send them straight to Hell! Everyone shall feel the "wrath of the lamb"

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Don't you have any self respect?
Young people are fed with Christian beliefs and morals every day, teaching them to believe in God, or else, they do not get to Heaven!
They get scared of what will happen to them if they do not go to Church etc.. Believe me, i've been there!

Back in the 90's, the Norwegian Church celebrated 1000 years as a "Christian Country".
They celebrated all the pagan churches that were burned, all the pagans that were killed, all the suffering, all the brutal killings etc...
All of this JUST because the Christians not was able to live side by side with other religions, because they have always thought they were the best, "Gods chosen people"!!!

At the same time, some Norwegian Churches was burned.
Those who did it, got punished, while the Church celebrated themselves doing it!

Christianity should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs is against human nature!

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[Blue-Lightning]

"Turn the other cheek"
If someone walked up to you, and hit you down, what would you do?

It is symbolic... it means to not repay wrongdoing with more wrongdoing.

You stand up, and hit back twice as hard, and show him that you will not let yourself be hitten around by others!

Oh, that's good... and also why we have the Israeli-Palestinian situation to some degree.

"Love your enemy"
Why?

Because they need it.

Look a little at Christianity's history!
When this plague came to Norway, 1000 years ago, they killed everyone that would not believe in Christ!

Is that what Christ taught? Were they following what Christ taught? If they weren't, were they really Christians?

God and Jesus will together slaughter all who do not believe in them, and send them straight to Hell! Everyone shall feel the "wrath of the lamb"

For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. For God sent not His Son to condemn the world, but that through Him the world might be saved. -- John 3:16-17

He loved those who did it before, He still loves you. I am not defending anyone who killed or tortured others in order to convert - I know that to be evil.

But your heart is full of anger, your words show the hatred that exists inside of you. Let go of your hate... forgive those who did evil in the past and make sure that you do not make the same mistake.

Deres venn,

BL

 

[Norselander]

Sure, you have points there!
I was not pointing to Christ when i was talking about the Christening of Norway, but the religion itself!

You say that my enemies need to be loved, so that's why i shall love them.
That do not make any sense to me :o

 

[Blue-Lightning]

Sure, you have points there!

Thank you. I try.

I was not pointing to Christ when i was talking about the Christening of Norway, but the religion itself!

Then why did you say that you spit on God? You do understand that my God is Jesus Christ, right?

You say that my enemies need to be loved, so that's why i shall love them.
That do not make any sense to me.

That's okay - it's not an easy thing to understand. But think about this:

Does the sun shine on your enemies? Does rain give water to your enemies just like it gives water to you? If God is willing to love those who do wrong to you then maybe you can too... it doesn't mean you have to agree with what they do, and it doesn't mean that what they do is right. But it takes a far greater and stronger person to love an enemy than it does to hate one.

Deres venn,

BL

 

[Rogue 9]

Christianity should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs is against human nature!

Satanism should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs advocate killing people!

Sheesh. Against human nature is good, very good indeed. Human nature is selfish and brutal. When not restrained the result is violence and death.

At the same time, some Norwegian Churches was burned.
Those who did it, got punished, while the Church celebrated themselves doing it!

As was right and proper. None of the people who sacked the pagan temples are alive today to punish, therefore there's nothing to be done about it. Those who burned the churches, however, committed the crime and were available to prosecute. Actions taken a thousand years prior do not justify present violence, no matter how much your precious commandments to destroy seem to justify it to you.

Christianity reminds me of Nazism:
One people, one belief!

Satanism reminds me of Nazism:
They annoy us, lets kill them!

"Love your enemy"
Why?
Why would i love someone that hates me?
Why should someone i hate love me?
I does not bring any good!

It does. For being such an advocate of human nature, you sure do seem to ignore it a lot. Taking extreme vengeance for slights results in feuds and vendettas, resulting only in pain and death for those involved. It is very short sighted to just whack the first person to not clear out of your way fast enough.

Why should i even bother 'bout people that do not affect me?
I care about my friends, family, people around me, and myself!
I am a individualist, i am my own God!

I suppose you don't give blood or donate to charity or anything of that nature either. Would you want someone else to help you when you are in need? Yes? Then is it not reasonable to help others? As for the last part, it must be very depressing being your own god, fallible as you must know yourself to be (unless you've got one heck of a superiority complex).

"Turn the other cheek"
If someone walked up to you, and hit you down, what would you do?
Be a good Christian, and just walk away, making him/her believe they can just hit you around, because you do not hit back? Nonono!
You stand up, and hit back twice as hard, and show him that you will not let yourself be hitten around by others!

"Hitten?"

That flagrant abuse of grammar aside, this ties into the vendetta issue before. Do you want them or their family to seek vengeance upon you and vice versa until it escalates to the point where you are killed? Very short sighted indeed.

Even if you leave out the faith aspect of it for a moment, the teachings of Christ are wise, as they plan for the long term benefit of yourself and those around you, while your plan concentrates on immediate gratification, with no thought to future consequences. You may one day wander into a pitfall that you did not see before you because you were too busy plotting revenge upon someone for some old slight. The Satanist belief system doesn't work out.

Put in the religious aspect, and Christ offers not only temporal wisdom, but eternal salvation for the asking. What does Satanism offer? A hedonistic and often shortened life ending in a quick trip to Hell, necessitated by the fact that you acknowledge that you follow the master of that place. It follows that you would be with him. Take your choice.

 

[Norselander]

I am not a Satanist, i just say that the religion has some good points.
And so does Christianity!

I was not saying they should punish the nowadays-Christians because of what happened 1000 years ago, but we should not (watch your language )celebrate it!

If i celebrated what happened to the Jews 60 years ago, i think a lot of people would react!

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[Blue-Lightning]

I am not a Satanist, i just say that the religion has some good points.
And so does Christianity!

You know, most things do have some truth or some good points to them... otherwise people wouldn't believe them. Remember, a good lie is 90% truth and 10% false.

Do you see anything that is false with Christianity?

I was not saying they should punish the nowadays-Christians because of what happened 1000 years ago, but we should not ******* celebrate it!

And if they were celebrating the destruction of people, then you're right, they shouldn't have celebrated it because it wasn't the Christian thing to do. But if they were only celebrating that Christianity had been there for x amount of years, then there is no problem with that... perhaps they acknowledged that there had been mistakes made 1000 years ago?

And to everyone responding, let me just advise that you relax a little. It'll be okay - trust me. PM me if you have any concerns and we can talk about it, but I think Norselander is a pretty good person 8) .

BL

 

[Norselander]

I am not a bad person, at all!
I just have my thoughts and ideas, but i am not the kind of person to walk around and tell all people my opinions...

"Let us all dwell in the shadows and shut the fuck up" 8)

 

[Blue-Lightning]

I am not a bad person, at all!

I dont' think you are either - I think you are a neat person with interesting ideas.

I just have my thoughts and ideas, but i am not the kind of person to walk around and tell all people my opinions...

Isn't that what you're doing here. Even that sentence you just said is an opinion... if you think about it, it is very hard to say anything at all without it being an opinion. And that's okay. I'm not offended by your opinions, I like to hear them. Maybe sometime we can share opinions if we get the chance... I think it's good to share opinions with each other because then we think about new things that we may have never thought about before. Like I had never heard the eleven commandments of the Satanic bible - now I can remember some of them because you shared youru opinion.

"Let us all dwell in the shadows and shut the I love Jesus up"

How come?

BL

 

[Norselander]

Never mind :wink:

 

[Blue-Lightning]

Okay

BL

 

[Sower]

I am not a bad person, at all!
I just have my thoughts and ideas, but i am not the kind of person to walk around and tell all people my opinions...

"Let us all dwell in the shadows and shut the I love Jesus up"

Norselander:

The fact that you are concered about whether you are a good person or bad person confirms that you have a conscience. This conscience is God's Law written on your heart. However, there is a good possibility that you have not followed the dictates of your conscience 100% of the time. That makes you a "sinner", just as breaking one law of the land makes you a "law-breaker" and perhaps even "a criminal".

All sinners will stand before God in the final judgment, and the record of their deeds, their thoughts and their words will be presented. However, there is also another record -- the Book of Life -- and only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and turn from their sins have their names written in this Book. So those who go to Hell do so because their names are not written in the Book of Life, and that is because they reject Christ and the Gospel of God's grace. In other words, they condemn themselves to Hell.

If you want to "dwell in the shadows" that's your prerogative. However, those who dwell in the shadows will also remain in eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. Those who forsake the shadows and turn to the Light -- Christ -- receive the gift of eternal life. If you do not love Christ in this life, you will not receive pardon in the life to come: "Behold, now is the accepted time, Behold, now is the day of salvation.

"I just have my thoughts and ideas, but i am not the kind of person to walk around and tell all people my opinions..." That statement simply has no credibility, since you have already expressed your opinions here and told people what to do and what not to do.

 

[Henry]

Norselander

There is much that you are not understanding, you are not seeing the big picture.

you-- If someone walked up to you, and hit you down, what would you do?
Be a good Christian, and just walk away, making him/her believe they can just hit you around, because you do not hit back? Nonono!
You stand up, and hit back twice as hard, and show him that you will not let yourself be hitten around by others!

You really need to read the whole of the gospeles to understand that concept here that JEsus is talking about, he is not lining out a rule, but presenting a concept that he talked about often in the gospels. So what you would really need to do if you really wanted to understand this would be to sit and read ALL the gospels, every word and then stand back and see the big picture here.

you--"Love your enemy"
Why?
Why would i love someone that hates me?
Why should someone i hate love me?
I does not bring any good!
Why should i even bother 'bout people that do not affect me?
I care about my friends, family, people around me, and myself!
I am a individualist, i am my own God!

Why hate them? Just becuase they hate you means that you have to hate them. That is just childish, perhaps Jesus is really saying Grow up. hmmm.

And besides, loving those how hate you is the bigger and better thing to do, it easy to hate. It is hard to love, so what you are saying is that you will do the easy thing.

I agree that you are your own God, and that is sad. But that is reality so at least you are aware of something, but look what your God leads you into, hate and anger, which is just what the bible says, read the book of Romans.

As for christians in killing all those who would beleive, I am sorry but you are not telling the truth, that is not happened at all, what ever book you read are full of ****, I sugest that if you are going to make those kind of bigotted statements, that you back them with somethings, other then rumors.

The truth is that Christians, have been and still are being killed all over the world for being Christians, that fact is easlily founded by history, and more so through out all of the history of christianity.

Anyways, this is just the hate inside you twisting things so you will have more reason to hate, which is what the bible says you would do, read the book of Jude.

you--Don't you have any self respect?
Young people are fed with Christian beliefs and morals every day, teaching them to believe in God, or else, they do not get to Heaven!
They get scared of what will happen to them if they do not go to Church etc.. Believe me, i've been there!

Well if you where their you missed the point, it is common that those who reject the message often see it this way, but it is not really the way it is.

You see it is not beleive or else, it is you are going to hell because you are a sinner, and God does not want to happen to you, so he made a way for you.

You missed the message, God is trying to save you from the place that you are going on your own, he is not trying to punish you but to keep youi from punishment.

You got it all backawrds.

you--Christianity should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs is against human nature!


Well it is according the law of the nature of sinfull man, you are proof of that. And it is against human nature, that fallen sinfull human nature of man.

But when one comes to know God, and accpets the FREE gift of salvatoin he is given a new nature, and that one is the true nature of man, that God will cultivat in the believer untill that day he stands before God.

Anways, all you have done is let your hate rule the way that you think. You have let everything be filtered by that hate, you have failed to study the bible your self to see if what is being said is true, and you have let the very one that would love to see you in hell, tell you what to think.

In short you are chummy with the one that hates you, and you hate the only one that really loves you.

I really feel sory for you

 

[antitox]

Norse,

Your whole view of the scriptures is incorrect. The "strike on the cheek" is not about getting hit. The slap in the face (that's what a srtike on the cheek is) is representive of an insult. And if somebody insults you, it's not an excuse to break his jaw or kill him.
Now as far as getting hit goes, the law in Ex.22 allows people to defend themselves. Most people are unaware of this as you were.

peace

 

[lnlyandlst]

Deres Venn?

Hey, I was just wondering if you guys could tell me what Deres Venn means? Thanks.

 

[peace4all]

Quote:
Christianity should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs is against human nature!

Satanism should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs advocate killing people!

so does christianity.

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)


Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB) (note) doomed and death seemed to be a similar thing in the bible
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


this one bewilders me. Sure he went agaisnt gods will, by touching it, but if he didnt, he would have ruined gods will entirely (by letting it fall and break)
The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.

When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)
Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

i can go on and on and on. I know, they are just single things, And i also know that other religions have these too, but cmon. You cant say that satanic rituals have kille dmroe than christian.

 

[YESHUA]

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Look at the Christian morals, and rules, like;

"Turn the other cheek"
If someone walked up to you, and hit you down, what would you do?
Be a good Christian, and just walk away, making him/her believe they can just hit you around, because you do not hit back? Nonono!
You stand up, and hit back twice as hard, and show him that you will not let yourself be hitten around by others!

"Love your enemy"
Why?
Why would i love someone that hates me?
Why should someone i hate love me?
I does not bring any good!
Why should i even bother 'bout people that do not affect me?
I care about my friends, family, people around me, and myself!
I am a individualist, i am my own God!

Look a little at Christianity's history!
When this plague came to Norway, 1000 years ago, they killed everyone that would not believe in Christ!
They were killed in many brutal ways, i have read about it in books that were written down at that time!
Christianity reminds me of Nazism:
One people, one belief!

And that is just what the bible says!
When judgement day comes, all who do not believe in God and Christ, will burn in Hell for eternity!
God and Jesus will together slaughter all who do not believe in them, and send them straight to Hell! Everyone shall feel the "wrath of the lamb"

(edited out)
Don't you have any self respect?
Young people are fed with Christian beliefs and morals every day, teaching them to believe in God, or else, they do not get to Heaven!
They get scared of what will happen to them if they do not go to Church etc.. Believe me, i've been there!

Back in the 90's, the Norwegian Church celebrated 1000 years as a "Christian Country".
They celebrated all the pagan churches that were burned, all the pagans that were killed, all the suffering, all the brutal killings etc...
All of this JUST because the Christians not was able to live side by side with other religions, because they have always thought they were the best, "Gods chosen people"!!!

At the same time, some Norwegian Churches was burned.
Those who did it, got punished, while the Church celebrated themselves doing it!

Christianity should be forbidden by LAW!
Your beliefs is against human nature!

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