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Christianity is NOT a Book religion!

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Soma-Sight

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Do you know what an iconoclast is?

An iconoclast is an idol-smasher, an idol-breaker. Throughout the history of mankind and religion there have been men and movements which have been iconoclastic. They are always hated by the religionists because religionists do not like to have their "sacred cows" smashed. They worship those idols. In fact, on many occasions in history the religionists have risen up to kill the iconoclasts.

I can almost see the stones. I can almost feel the tar and feathers. I can almost hear the flak and the abusive railings that will be the probable result of my idol-smashing. But iconoclasts believe in what they are doing, and often rush in where angels fear to tread.

I want to be very delicate and selective in my idol-smashing. I know that I am at great risk of being misunderstood and misconstrued. Religionists will hate me for my radical departure from their traditionalism. They will likely misrepresent what I am saying in trumped up charges of treason and by black-listing me for blatant blasphemy.

Can it really be that bad? It could be, but I trust that you will understand what I am saying in this article.

With a big backswing I take my first big swipe at the idol by declaring that "Christianity is not a Book-religion." Many have said that "Christianity is not a religion" that binds us to something. I am simply amplifying that statement by declaring that "Christianity is not a Book-religion." Nor is Christianity the "religion of the Bible" as many have declared.

What is the Bible? The Bible is a book. The word "Bible" is derived from the Greek word biblion which means "book," or more accurately "papyrus scroll" as this was the material used for writing in ancient times. The Bible is a book which is in one sense like every other book in the world, but in another sense is unlike any other book in the world. It is like other books in that it is black printing (sometimes red and other colors) on white paper, and it is a tangible, perishable object. It is unlike other books in that it represents and enscripturates the revelation of God, and is the only book in the world where you have to know the Author to understand the book.

God never intended that we should worship the Book. That is bibliolatry, making the Bible into a physical idol. The reverence that many Christians attach to the book is dangerously close to idolatry of the Bible.

Christianity is not the religion of the Book. Christianity is Christ! Christianity is the dynamic, personal Spirit of God functioning in man. It is not the study of, memorization of, or adherence to the principles and propositions and precepts of a bound-book.

Do you see the distinction I am trying to make? I am attempting to exalt Jesus Christ over the Bible. Frankly, that is a dangerous thing to do these days in contemporary Christian circles, for you begin to smash people's idols.

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Do you see the distinction I am trying to make? I am attempting to exalt Jesus Christ over the Bible.

Well I'm not sure that we're getting any of that by your seemingly anti-bible, anti-Christian postings on the board.
 
Soma said:
Christianity is not the religion of the Book. Christianity is Christ! Christianity is the dynamic, personal Spirit of God functioning in man. It is not the study of, memorization of, or adherence to the principles and propositions and precepts of a bound-book.

Do you see the distinction I am trying to make? I am attempting to exalt Jesus Christ over the Bible. Frankly, that is a dangerous thing to do these days in contemporary Christian circles, for you begin to smash people's idols.
But you cannot dissociate Christianity from its past. This is a common thing to do in the "New Age" movement. Christianity is intimately tied to the past by the miraculous at certain points in history, especially the birth, death, and resurrection of Christ. No Christian that I know of puts the Bible over Christ.

And yes, it is also very much about studying the Bible and adherence to its principles and precepts. These are the inspired words of God, given to us to show us to help us discern truth. One cannot be a Christian and not study the Bible, believe and follow what it says, and hold it in esteem.
 
I would love to see someone like Soma-Sight or any other New Ager respond to Jesus' teachings or even start to understand what he taught without reading the Bible.

It is no wonder that the New Agers flounder and are tossed to and fro with all sorts on nonsense that they post and believe in.

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Actually...

Christianity is called an "historical religion," in that it is based upon recorded acts of its earliest adherents. This is opposed to a "philosophical religion," which is based primarily - if not entirely - upon some philosophical foundation, but without any real historical reality.

Therefore, the book which records this history is pivotal and cannot be dispensed with so easily. Without the Book, the history is unknown. Without the Book, the precepts are unknown. Without the Book, we have the freedom to say, "I didn't know about that," which leads to an apologetic for not following the Book.

The Book also reveals its own importance, especially when we see that Jesus is said to be the Word of God. Jesus is the Book. You cannot have one without the other. Jesus is the manifestation of the reality of the Book. He affirms its validity in His life.

Perhaps iconoclasts should also learn that iconoclasm can also be an idol? Iconoclast smash thyself! :wink:

Scott 8-)
 
I would love to see someone like Soma-Sight or any other New Ager respond to Jesus' teachings or even start to understand what he taught without reading the Bible.

Therefore, the book which records this history is pivotal and cannot be dispensed with so easily.

The Bible did not come into existence until centuries after the death of Christ. Were these non-biblical Christians false then, because they had no collection of writing to adhere to?
 
Hmmm...

I see your confusion.

The first Christians had the letters and Gospels that were circulating. Not everyone of them had all of them, but they had some. Furthermore, they were regularly receiving the teaching of Christ from the apostles and those who came after.

So, the Bible did exist very soon after Christ ascended. In the meanwhile, the oral tradition was sufficient to relate the deeds of Christ and worship was occurring.

Scott 8-)
 
asb4God,

Good points, I think it is also important to note that the Bible was not officially canonized until about 175 AD, however; the writings that are now know as the New Testament were written very close to the time of which they happened.
 
But the point is that the Bible did not play the same role in early Christianity today. There was no 'word of God' for the Christian to refer to and the letters themselves were just that; letters. For example, most of the epistles come from Paul, yet there were many early Christians who did not even believe Paul to be a true follower, so his letters held no divine authority. Secondly, different Christians read different gospels, and they rejected some and accepted others before the cannonization. Again, there was no 'word of God' to refer to. The Bible was not cannonized until the 4th century, only afterwords did it take its current role.
 
Re: Actually...

asb4God said:
Christianity is called an "historical religion," in that it is based upon recorded acts of its earliest adherents. This is opposed to a "philosophical religion," which is based primarily - if not entirely - upon some philosophical foundation, but without any real historical reality.

Therefore, the book which records this history is pivotal and cannot be dispensed with so easily. Without the Book, the history is unknown. Without the Book, the precepts are unknown. Without the Book, we have the freedom to say, "I didn't know about that," which leads to an apologetic for not following the Book.

The Book also reveals its own importance, especially when we see that Jesus is said to be the Word of God. Jesus is the Book. You cannot have one without the other. Jesus is the manifestation of the reality of the Book. He affirms its validity in His life.

Perhaps iconoclasts should also learn that iconoclasm can also be an idol? Iconoclast smash thyself! :wink:

Scott 8-)
Great post! I am in total agreement with you. I might add that Christianity is based not only on its earliest adherents but it is also based on its predecessors who have had faith whom God covenanted with.
 
Christianity is not the religion of the Book. Christianity is Christ! Christianity is the dynamic, personal Spirit of God functioning in man. It is not the study of, memorization of, or adherence to the principles and propositions and precepts of a bound-book.

Do you see the distinction I am trying to make? I am attempting to exalt Jesus Christ over the Bible. Frankly, that is a dangerous thing to do these days in contemporary Christian circles, for you begin to smash people's idols.

*****
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What is new God asks? NOTHING He states!

Surely man had always had a problem following Christ, and Christ's WORD, after Adam sinned. Yet, neither can ever be first or last or anything else, for Christ & His Words are as ONE PERSON as in the Godhead.
It IS THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL & EVERLASTING COVENANT! Revelation 14:6 & Hebrews 13:20.

How did the WORD (CHRIST!) come? He tells us if one cares to study [Christ's] own Words? Because He came into our understanding only by portions of His Word at a time, does not make Christ any less a Truthful WHOLE! Just His 'ignorant' sinful creation. (we best hope not) For most still have the problem caused by sin, huh, Soma?

2 Peter 3:15-16 see these 'Inspired Words of Christ' for the ones that will not be saved, as.. ".. which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scripture, unto their own destruction."
---John
 
The bible always has been the criterion by which doctrine and truth is discerned.

The early Christians had the bible...

The oral traditions as the canon was completed.

True Christian morals, doctrines and action come from the written word.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

We have less of an excuse for not understanding the bible than those who lived, walked and talked with Christ.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The above was from the mouth of Christ to His apostles.

We now have the words of Christ recorded and it brings me great joy... :D

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

1 John 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)

1 John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

1 John 1:4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

The only reason these people attack the validity of scripture is to promote an evil and vile agenda.

Some want to create a false Christ that accepts all religions and paths.

Other degenerates want to promote their sexual perversions and practices as right and good. :smt078
 
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and [bring all things to your remembrance], whatsoever I have said unto you.

*****
Christ was God/man & was with us in real life as both God & man. Read your verse & see what the Holy Spirit was to do? (i high lighted it up! :wink: ) Christ said that He would not speak of Himself, but testify of Me.

Surely Christ was not omnipresent as Christ/man. (nor was He in the pillar of fire by night & a cloud by day) Yet, while He was here living the perfect sinless life, healing the sick, restoring those who were blind both spiritually & physically, + raising the dead, I find it doubtful that we have any more power to live a Christian life than did the latter (early) rain of Acts. And walking on water also prior to Acts?? (and we have not touched the mighty miracles of the O.T.!)

Personally, I believe that after Christ's return to the Godhead and knew of His acceptance, that it was then that the Holy Spirit could Present Christ in His Immortal Godhead power.

Nothing perhaps to be set in concrete on, yet interesting to study??
But your post was a good one as far I am concerned, and I for one thank you for the time taken to post it!

---John
 
Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


:smt015
 
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