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christianity over truth?

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i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

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Jesus is the Way to God, the Truth and the Life.

John 14:6 NLT
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
 
As Alabaster said, Jesus is the Truth. Evidence of this can be found in his word, the Bible. There are no (i.e. not a sing one) logical fallacies found in the Bible, which sets it apart from all other holy books. If I'm wrong then please show me one single violation of the Laws of Logic found in the Bible.
 
xounstaer,

Jesus Christ is TRUTH. He is the whole embodiment of truth. What mankind has done in His name has often been evil... Jesus the Christ is not what 'christians' say He is. He is what He says He is.

We people get some goofy ideas some times many of us mean well but the it doesn't work out that way....

In your walk with Jesus He is your Truth, your life, your path, He is your all in all. Hold to Him your friend that is closer than a brother...
 
I think perhaps you are caught up in the fact that Christians often believe different things to be the truth. The things are relatively minor issues that arise, and I highly doubt anyone is knowingly lying in order to protect their beliefs. Most Christians I know are more than happy to be proven wrong, if it means that they can further their understanding and love for God!
 
i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

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'i' see the post says it as the Word of God [DOCUMENTS] it, & then it say's a PS:? and then negates what the post [knows what God has said??!] Matt. 7's BROADWAY + Rev. 17:1-5's huge group!

And the example of a difference?? An saved 'REMNANT' of Rev. 12:17 are only a small Obedient number. Acts 5:32 finds only these ones having the Holy Spirit when it is [ALL OVER WITH.] at the 666 Last Testing Time.

The question is a good one, yet, which class do you think that you will most surely hear from?? And if you are looking for the Truth, you best SKIP professed Christianity of Jer. 17:5 ones, & do as Christ REQUIRES in Matt. 4:4 & His Word of 2 Tim. 3:16. And the WORD Doctrine there in 2 Tim., who of these'just professed Christians' care about that??? These 'other' many of Christianity ones, are ALL lumped 'together' in satan's UNITY of Matt. 6:24 even now as seen by Christ's Truth. And all that is needed for satan's unity is to REJECT TRUTH, huh?

It sounds like you are at a point where Inspiration (Rom. 8:14) is talking to you in Rev. 18:4? But by your posting 'i' suggest that you are looking for the answer in the wrong place???? Unless God has another 'mature' purpose for the post?:thumbsup

--Elijah
 
I'm only going by the title of this post and hope this is what you are talking about.

Latin root word for religion is bondage, following tradition and the doctrine of a mans church, not Gods true church. Religion tells you what you can and cannot do and becomes socially acceptable by mans interpretations, traditions and doctrines. Religion is what nailed Christ to the cross because this Bible is not socially acceptable to society, if it were then Christ would have died in vain. God is not about mans religion, nor does he recognize religion. God is about a personal relationship with you and His son Jesus Christ.

John 1:1 in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:2 the same was in the beginning with God.
John 1:3 all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:4 in him was life; and the life was the light of men.
John 1:5 and the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Satan has such a foothold on religion by using those unaware to teach his twisted word as Satan knows this word better than we ever could. Those who lack the knowledge of truth will perish along with the deceptive word they teach. Our English language produces many different definitions for a singular word that has caused a misinterpretation from the teachings of the original manuscripts that were written by the Disciples of Christ. The carnal mind can not perceive the teachings of the Holy Spirit and if we are not allowing the Holy Spirit to teach us then we will fall prey to those deceptions and be devoured by the wicked on who seeks to destroy our faith.


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Sometimes the truth is hard to find. In Mark 4:31 (RSV) Jesus says the mustard seed "is the smallest of all the seeds on earth," but there are smaller seeds - orchid, poppy, and wolffia.
 
ok i thought of quoting some of the responses. but maybe it is easier if i tell you that i am a protastant christian, which might explain a certain part of where my truth differs from the scripture.



"If I'm wrong then please show me one single violation of the Laws of Logic found in the Bible." here is one:
what is justice? is justice slaughtering a man and saying that then ur sin is forgiven through that?:grumpy
logic would be that the law of justice layed in your mind and hart will proove out in the end that this is wrong, and i always see wrong things that happen will be brought back to mind and turned right..that's logic.
as jesus teaches the ones who believe in justice will cheer...:salute (for this part)

as to show allready one difference between truth and christianity.. if you disagree that's ok with me. just want to remind you that even catholics have to confess for their sin, right? then how come why would you even ask forgiveness for some if all is forgiven. i gues truth and own accountability does in combination with the consience.

and dont get me wrong, i have walked the route....and had it hard'
for my own sin and so bad to be gone, so there i do agree on being truly treu.


heathen, that's the english word right? well nowadays i believe all heathens celibrate all of the holy days just like xmas. since they can only benefit from it..

as to maybe jesus was there for them. the minority at first to grow out later having the upper upperhand(the western/christian world).the world to which jesus is the (corner) stone, the one the builders didnt want..

i can take that straight to today.. so many times before.:yes..(but nm that)

right now i first want to say that i was happy with the amount of responses, and also the variety in the end.

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jesus is truth definataly yes, i can confirm so plus/minus 2000 years later, seriously. i can. there is no doubt of faith within me, believe as it comes to jesus and so messiah or saviour my faith is concreet llike a rock..

but another less heavily example. thie shall not take from the living tree or add to this book(the last words of the NT) what truth is in there? i am moraly very much against it since i think it isnt moraly right, so not truth.(and yes i did get plagues but really i have a decease..)

if there would not be added or separated from whats in the book. then it would be dieing out and in eternity turn into symbolisme and myth. having nice leaves..
i think this what i adress here'(adding or taking) might be the mature reason why i started this; (me') the follow up!, remember it isnt finished untill all is fullfilled.(instead of obayed)
maybe that's sounds a lill immature but i promise you i havent lied a word and all comes from the mind and hart.

(and as paul says the failable buildings upon the construction will be proven to be treu or good after it burns')

another truth that i can bring to light which might differ is that words coming rfom the hart at first hand and intend are good, and not of murder and rape. so on this point i would have to be flexible and say ok yes it's possible that such things come from the hart. but at first intend i believe not so.

it's almost 10 am here, so i get this post to an end.
i hope if' i was understandable, that i didnt hurt any feelings. but showed some which is actual' truth to certainly be taken in consideration when having or doing an "overvieuw".

tomorrow a new day for the internet, i go look outside at the stars now, or just one..;)

p.s. elijah674 i wish i was able to understand more of your post, i found it hard to read or see what it was actually about:confused:
 
i was allready wondering what the difference was between general talk and this board on this christian forum.

ty for moving.:nod
 
"If I'm wrong then please show me one single violation of the Laws of Logic found in the Bible." here is one:
what is justice? is justice slaughtering a man and saying that then ur sin is forgiven through that?:grumpy
If that man died to save us from a devil that ruled in mankind through lies. And if that devil deceived mankind into doing evil things that they would not otherwise have done, then it is justice. Jesus thought so, for Jesus said, forgive them they know not what they do. But remember that this man had no sin, so this was an extreme Love that suffered the Christ for mankinds sin. That is why we are justified through his blood, if in fact we also bear one anothers sins through such belief and love. This is why we turn the other cheek and return good for evil.

as to show allready one difference between truth and christianity.. if you disagree that's ok with me. just want to remind you that even catholics have to confess for their sin, right? then how come why would you even ask forgiveness for some if all is forgiven. i gues truth and own accountability does in combination with the consience.
We confess our sins to destroy the pride wherein we hide our weakness in the flesh. Likewise we find it easier to forgive and have understanding lest we get caught up in the condemnation of the devil. To be right and truthful before God we must all proclaim our sin now, or have it revealed later. Best to pray to God to see it now and get it over with.


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i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

..
The underlying supposition to this position is simply wrong. Christianity means to follow christ. Jesus is the christ and he is the way, the truth, and the life. Thus truth is determined by christ and is not subject to change, or interpritation by man.
 
Re: christianity over truth?

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Originally Posted by xounstaer
i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

..
warhorse:



The underlying supposition to this position is simply wrong. Christianity means to follow christ. Jesus is the christ and he is the way, the truth, and the life. Thus truth is determined by christ and is not subject to change, or interpritation by man.

Elijah here:
The Inspiration in Isa. 5:3 'documents' that Truth! A Virgin Doctrine Vineyard that is Christless is nothing! See the whole of the chapter 5:1-5!
 
i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

..
Christianity is Jesus Christ Himself, not a religion or a way we can "earn" salvation: salvation is God's gracious gift in Christ Jesus, and we can not merit it or deserve it in any way. Christ is the truth, so Christianity is not opposed to the truth. Christ Himself is the truth, the way back to God the Father.:study
 
Re: christianity over truth?
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Originally Posted by xounstaer
i have not got much more to say besides the title but, do you put your mind and your own reasoning and so first?

and would it be ok for christianity to cover truth the wrong way.

what i actually trying to bring to mind is that truth and christianity do not necesaraly (have to) be the same. especially if it's just thoughts and opinions tought without significant proof..

now i myself have truth and christianity pretty much on the same step a ladder. but i know they are not exactly the same. and that christianity is a religion that tought through at least the past 2000 years. and truth isnt...

i could do the next myself.. but could somebody give me an or multiple examples where christianity and truth are differ from each other?

p.s. i spose truth is on top with you too' and should be. as proclaimed through some of the letters of the NT.

..
warhorse:



The underlying supposition to this position is simply wrong. Christianity means to follow christ. Jesus is the christ and he is the way, the truth, and the life. Thus truth is determined by christ and is not subject to change, or interpritation by man.

Elijah here:
The Inspiration in Isa. 5:3 'documents' that Truth! A Virgin Doctrine Vineyard that is Christless is nothing! See the whole of the chapter 5:1-5!
And when the vinard is barren then there is nothing left to do but trample it under foot as the salt and the light. Eh elijah
 
And when the vinard is barren then there is nothing left to do but trample it under foot as the salt and the light. Eh elijah

NO, that was & is not the case at all!:study Acts was the REMNANT of old Israel. See the starting point in Matt. 10:5-6 on. Even read verse 15 for who stayed put! The New Church (Candelstick of Rev. 2:5) was the faithful of old Israel's nucleus, & had the exact same Virgin Doctrines of Isa. 5.

--Elijah
 
NO, that was & is not the case at all!:study Acts was the REMNANT of old Israel. See the starting point in Matt. 10:5-6 on. Even read verse 15 for who stayed put! The New Church (Candelstick of Rev. 2:5) was the faithful of old Israel's nucleus, & had the exact same Virgin Doctrines of Isa. 5.

--Elijah
So is your point is that God has preserved his own according to truth. Or preserved the truth with his own. The virgin fold being the early jewish believers and the later fold being those who believe and cling to truth in the end? l aways stuggle with your posts they seem somewhat criptic to me.
 
So is your point is that God has preserved his own according to truth. Or preserved the truth with his own. The virgin fold being the early jewish believers and the later fold being those who believe and cling to truth in the end? l aways stuggle with your posts they seem somewhat criptic to me.


I doubt that Gods Words of Rev. 12:17 will be any less criptic for you?
[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments [of God], and have the [testimony of Jesus Christ].

Or perhaps Rev. 6-16 with only two of the last Candelsticks on the scene at the last of earth's time? One is 'kept' (ibid 10) while the seventh is Spewed out & becomes verse 9's repeat of old Israel. Eccl. 3:15 (see Rev. 2:5)

OK: Now you answer your own question.

--Elijah

 
i want to answer
i wanna answer:D

truth has always been truth, truth cannot be changed and if it does get changed. it's still the truth as in what is factual.

for the rest i like to mention that if the prophecies in old and new wouldnt or will not be fullfilled (besides obaying) serious. then where is the truth in it?

so christianity, based upon the new testimony mostly (from whatever brand) would be no truth without being fullfilled.

talking christianity as it was.
now symbolically lots is possible but filling a hole in a wall with water seems pretty..

elijah eh!:salute

to me' personally i can only consider all to be treu because of occurences i witnessed. and still see things going on in the (western) world.
but again 'all talk' in my eyes is no proof of anything being treu.

i got it from a translataion (all talk) the exact translation would be.

bablle does not fill holes.
me thinking though, i would do anything to make all come treu and take away my tears over god's son being crusified. by knowing it is not the "total" truth factual..

its a dilemma a bit maybe though. but through jesus i am and will be who i am.
and if jesus(god's son) wasnt crusified and i didnt shed so many tears over it and wasnt despiced by it tremendasly. i wouldnt have walked the path i did so far.

ps my path hasnt been all fun and secure... but i still live to tell. and i wont keep silent about it. i'd rather die for it 2 but uhh that would please noone and be even more despicable.

Truly yours

ps tell if i dont make sense:nod
 
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