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Bible Study Christians Can Do No Wrong Because Of Jesus Christ

ugmug

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Christians Can Do No Wrong Because Of Jesus Christ

Many people who do not believe in Christianity claim that the Christians have done irreparable damage to humanity in the name of God. But I will prove that this assertion is false and groundless. Consider the biblical writings concerning Jesus Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane. After establishing a New Covenant with the 12 apostles (hint: representing the 12 tribes of Israel), and then telling Judas to go and carry out his betrayal, Jesus Christ retreated to the Garden of Gethsemane to pray and agonize over his upcoming trial and crucifixion that would ultimately lead to his death on the cross.

Notice what happened when Judas showed up, along with the Temple authorities, to arrest Jesus Christ in an act of betrayal. There erupted a scuffle between the disciples and the people who have come to arrest Jesus whereupon a disciple of Jesus Christ's cut off the ear of a high priest’s servant. Jesus then restored the ear completely!

Many people would find this part of the story as strange, as there was no loss of an ear, so why include it in the story as Jesus had already been known to be able to heal people and also resurrect them from the dead? The point of the story of restoring the severed ear is that Jesus Christ is showing everyone that any harm or damage done by a believer in Jesus Christ will ultimately be restored by Jesus Christ himself.

Consider that throughout history any Christian aggression that has caused damage, whether offensive or defensive, against any another nation, was restored by Jesus Christ just like the restoration of the severed ear of the high priest’s servant. The story of restoring the severed ear of the high priest’s servant is to show Jesus Christ establishing that any Christian aggression that leads to an injury will ultimately be made whole again.

Throughout history the United States has always sought to restore a nation after it has vanquished it in war. This restorative impetus is the work of Jesus Christ who dwells in every believer through the Holy Spirit and motivates all Christians to restore what has been lost or damaged by a Christian's own harmful actions.

Notice that whenever any pagan non-Christian nation goes to war against another pagan non-Christian nation there is NO restorative action by anyone afterwards! While any damage or harm done by a Christian nation, led by Christ believing individuals, will Jesus Christ restore afterwards.

An example of this restoration of any damage or harm done by believers in Christ can be seen in the destruction of the temple after Jesus Christ's death and resurrection. The pagan Roman empire destroyed the temple of Israel and it was not restored! Yet when the Roman empire became a Christian empire Jesus restored it as the current Roman Catholic Church.

Again, notice that Christian nations establish a legal system that is based on restoration, not vengeance! Whereas pagan non-Christan nations base their legal system on vengeance, not restoration (hint: Muslim, communist, atheist, etc.).

Non-Christan believers will always claim that Christianity is destructive but the historical facts prove unequivocally that Jesus Christ is this world's greatest insurance policy. Not only for all of us alive in this world, but for all those trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and gain eternal life afterwards in heaven with God the Father, God the Son Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit.

Believe in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you'll gain eternal life and also gain the assurance that any harm done by you, or to you by another Christian, will be restored by Jesus Christ!

God Bless

John 18:10 New International Version (NIV)
10 Then Simon Peter, who had a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, cutting off his right ear. (The servant’s name was Malchus.)


Luke 22:45-54 New International Version (NIV)
45 When he rose from prayer and went back to the disciples, he found them asleep, exhausted from sorrow.46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray so that you will not fall into temptation.”

Jesus Arrested
47 While he was still speaking a crowd came up, and the man who was called Judas, one of the Twelve, was leading them. He approached Jesus to kiss him, 48 but Jesus asked him, “Judas, are you betraying the Son of Man with a kiss?”

49 When Jesus’ followers saw what was going to happen, they said, “Lord, should we strike with our swords?”50 And one of them struck the servant of the high priest, cutting off his right ear.

51 But Jesus answered, “No more of this!” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.

52 Then Jesus said to the chief priests, the officers of the temple guard, and the elders, who had come for him, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come with swords and clubs? 53 Every day I was with you in the temple courts, and you did not lay a hand on me. But this is your hour—when darkness reigns.”
 
Many people who do not believe in Christianity claim that the Christians have done irreparable damage to humanity in the name of God.

Let's just for the moment say that statement is true; Christians really have done irreparable damage to humanity.

Christians are fallible people just like everyone else.

The question is not "What have Christians done?" but, "What has Christ done?".

Christians' failure to live up to the ideal of Christ takes absolutely nothing away from Christ. God is still the One who so loved the world that HE gave His Son to die for our sins so that we could have eternal life.

IMO; "the damage that Christians have done" is anything they can find to use as an excuse for refusing to submit to the perfect will of the only One who perfectly loves them in favor of the tyranny of the desires of the flesh.

It's not what Christians have done that is the stumbling block; it's the fact that there is a God to whom they wll have to answer and they don't want anyone, not even God, telling them what to do.

my two kopecks

iakov the fool
 
Let's just for the moment say that statement is true; Christians really have done irreparable damage to humanity.

Christians are fallible people just like everyone else.

The question is not "What have Christians done?" but, "What has Christ done?".

Christians' failure to live up to the ideal of Christ takes absolutely nothing away from Christ. God is still the One who so loved the world that HE gave His Son to die for our sins so that we could have eternal life.

IMO; "the damage that Christians have done" is anything they can find to use as an excuse for refusing to submit to the perfect will of the only One who perfectly loves them in favor of the tyranny of the desires of the flesh.

It's not what Christians have done that is the stumbling block; it's the fact that there is a God to whom they wll have to answer and they don't want anyone, not even God, telling them what to do.

my two kopecks

iakov the fool
AMEN and I'll say it again, AMEN!
 
Misled Christians have done plenty of wrong in the name of Christ which Jesus has not corrected as far as we can see. How many pagan Africans were murdered in the slave trade? Did Jesus restore those pagans their lives?

Luk 6:46 - And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Jesus was teaching His disciples that violence against others, even in His Name, would leave those others unable to hear what Jesus wanted them to hear. Jesus would rather they be able to hear the gospel than have it drowned out in violence.

Luk 22:49 - When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
Luk 22:50 - And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luk 22:51 - And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.​
 
Misled Christians have done plenty of wrong in the name of Christ which Jesus has not corrected as far as we can see. How many pagan Africans were murdered in the slave trade? Did Jesus restore those pagans their lives?

Luk 6:46 - And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

Mat 7:22 - Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.​

Jesus was teaching His disciples that violence against others, even in His Name, would leave those others unable to hear what Jesus wanted them to hear. Jesus would rather they be able to hear the gospel than have it drowned out in violence.

Luk 22:49 - When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
Luk 22:50 - And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luk 22:51 - And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.​
I don't think ugmug is speaking of personal restoration, such as restoring those pagans their lives who participated in the slave trade in Africa.

He's speaking in more general terms.

What I'm asking is: What's the use of reparation? It's better not to do the harm in the first place!
I have to agree with Jim Parker and Bill Taylor. Humans are fallible. They have different reasons for doing what they do. Some call themselves Christian but then don't act like it. They use the title for their own benefit or as a means of disseminating their own beliefs - to gain power. In Europe the church was a civil and legal power and not only religious,

So I understand what the o.p. means that things were eventually fixed and repaired.
But so what? It still makes Christianity look bad to outsiders who don't understand that we're human and not saints.

W
 
I don't think ugmug is speaking of personal restoration, such as restoring those pagans their lives who participated in the slave trade in Africa.

He's speaking in more general terms.

What I'm asking is: What's the use of reparation? It's better not to do the harm in the first place!
I have to agree with Jim Parker and Bill Taylor. Humans are fallible. They have different reasons for doing what they do. Some call themselves Christian but then don't act like it. They use the title for their own benefit or as a means of disseminating their own beliefs - to gain power. In Europe the church was a civil and legal power and not only religious,

So I understand what the o.p. means that things were eventually fixed and repaired.
But so what? It still makes Christianity look bad to outsiders who don't understand that we're human and not saints.

W

I believe that Christ can use the sins of sinners to His own purpose for the eventual good. Yet that does not mean Christians can do no wrong.
 
I believe that Christ can use the sins of sinners to His own purpose for the eventual good. Yet that does not mean Christians can do no wrong.
I THINK I agree with you. Hate double negatives.
Does NOT mean Christians can do NO wrong.

This means Christians CAN do wrong. Okay. I think everyone here can agree with that.
Christ can use the sins of sinners to His own purpose for eventual good.

Ah. The Providence of God. Yes. I agree with that too. I don't really understand it and have no idea what the end game plan is, but I do accept it. The needlepoint idea. A mess on one side and beautiful on the other. Or the football game concept. Each player doing his own thing, but one team will win in the end - the final score.

I agree with you. Somehow we're headed somewhere. Through all the mess we've made, God is going to work it out according to His divine plan - much trust is needed.

I read once that countries that believe in God fare better than those who don't. It's true, think about it.
God brings absolute values, He brings hope and a vision for the future. Non God-believing countries lack all of these. I had thought of this after reading your post no. 4 and my reply no. 5.

W
 
Misled Christians have done plenty of wrong in the name of Christ which Jesus has not corrected as far as we can see. How many pagan Africans were murdered in the slave trade? Did Jesus restore those pagans their lives?

It was "Christian nations" that first banned the slave trade and slavery.

Jesus was teaching His disciples that violence against others, even in His Name, would leave those others unable to hear what Jesus wanted them to hear. Jesus would rather they be able to hear the gospel than have it drowned out in violence.
Luk 22:49 - When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
Luk 22:50 - And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luk 22:51 - And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.​

That's quite a stretch, interesting, but still a stretch.

Jesus said that those who live by the sword will die by the sword. Mat 26:52
Jesus told his disciples that, if they didn't have a sword, to sell their cloaks and buy swords. Luk 22:36
He also said, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword." (Mat 10:34 NKJV)

All those verses and their contexts must be considered.

iakov the fool
 
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