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Christmas Trees And Lights Outside On Your House

Lewis

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Who here puts up a christmas tree, and lights outside the house, just asking ?
Does anybody here think that it is wrong ? Because we don't worship the tree like in Jer 10, but do you think it is ok, me myself I like it, I don't see anything wrong with it. Even though Jesus was not born on December the 25th, it is just a time to love and to give. The Catholics let heathen traditions in the church to get more Catholics, and did a compromise in allowing them to bring in the christmas tree and so forth, having a Christ-Mass, I have forgot some of this stuff it has been a while. speaking of heathen traditions the Catholics were already doing that before they let them in, but thats another story. I myself buy a live tree every year and put up the lights, bought more lights yesterday.
I love the Christmass season.
 
my whole familly just liked to get into the whole bright lights thing.

we have a large farm house that we used to border with white lights, and then we had 4 trees all roghly 20 feet tall that we would wrap all the way to the top with flashing lights.


Now that the trees are more liek 30 feet tall, my dad is a delinquent moron, And i don't live at home realy anymore (college dorm is mynew home ;-)) I doubt we will do it again this year. It was always cool because you could hear ppl in school talking about the House with the MASSIVE trees covered in blinking lights.. No more though :-(
 
I love the lights and the tree and such. Anyone that would tell me I am worshiping the tree is just a little LU-LU!! I would tell them that the painting on their wall or the knick knack on the shelf must be their god.
 
Lyric's Dad said:
I love the lights and the tree and such. Anyone that would tell me I am worshiping the tree is just a little LU-LU!! I would tell them that the painting on their wall or the knick knack on the shelf must be their god.
LOL! but I already knew that about myself. :silly:
 
Vic said:
Lyric's Dad said:
I love the lights and the tree and such. Anyone that would tell me I am worshiping the tree is just a little LU-LU!! I would tell them that the painting on their wall or the knick knack on the shelf must be their god.
LOL! but I already knew that about myself. :silly:
No, Vic, remember? We are BOBS! :eggface:
 
We put up a tree. It becomes more of an art display though. We don't make a "theme" out of our tree. It's more of a hodgepodge of different decorations and ornaments the kids have made over the years.

As for lights, yes. Our entire neighborhood puts on a light show. We all go way out with lights and the traffic is ridiculous. The cars have already started forming lines up and down the neighborhood and only 6 homes have their lights up so far. I'll have to go take some pictures later this week after more people get them up. Last year, the news came out and did a story on our neighborhood. It's fun! (Except for the lines of cars that block my driveway when I want to get out)
 
Lewis W said:
Who here puts up a christmas tree, and lights outside the house, just asking ?
Does anybody here think that it is wrong ? Because we don't worship the tree like in Jer 10, but do you think it is ok, me myself I like it, I don't see anything wrong with it. Even though Jesus was not born on December the 25th, it is just a time to love and to give. The Catholics let heathen traditions in the church to get more Catholics, and did a compromise in allowing them to bring in the christmas tree and so forth, having a Christ-Mass,

The Catholics did not "let heathen traditions in the church". Christmas was already being celebrate and Decemeber 25 was a date picked to consolidate and unify Christian celebration of Jesus' birth. Christmas means that- Christ Mass. A celebration of the Divine Liturgy in remember of the birth of Jesus. What the pagans brought over, yule logs and such were not 'permitted'- they were just done.
Christmas trees come from Germany winter plays about GENESIS. Evergreen trees were used to represent the Tree of Knowledge.

I have forgot some of this stuff it has been a while. speaking of heathen traditions the Catholics were already doing that before they let them in, but thats another story.

I think you need to get your history straight...
 
The Origins of Christ-Mass:
Catholic-Paganism
Page 4 of 5

WHEN THE CATHOLICS INVENTED CHRISTMAS

Regarding the period when Catholicism originated Christmas, the Catholic Encyclopedia says it was NOT among the early festivals of the Church, because Ireneus and Tertullian, at the end of the second century, omit it from their list of feasts. The first evidence of any observance of the birth of Christ (says this same authority) appears about 200 AD in Egypt. It was not earlier than 330 AD that Dec. 25 was chosen by any "Pope", and it was not universally accepted till long after that--for the position and authority of the "Pope" was then still far from established. In the Schaff-Heroz Religious Encyclopedia, we are told--

"From the beginning of the fourth century, when the restless searchings of the nature and persons of Christ drove men's minds into many singular errors, the Eastern Church began to feel the importance of emphasizing the actual birth of Christ by a separate festival...The date once fixed, Christmas gradually became one of the three great annual festivals of the Church."

And from the Abbott-Conant Dictionary of Religious Knowledge--

"Christmas seems to have first appeared in the Roman Church after the middle of the fourth century. At a somewhat later period it spread into Eastern Asia. It was not received with equal readiness by all the churches. Some denounced it as an innovation... It was not till the sixth century that anything like unanimity prevailed as to the day to be observed.

"The manner in which this festival came to be observed in the Romish Church, and through it to the other churches, is as follows: In this season of the year, a series of heathen festivals occurred, the celebration of which was in many ways closely interwoven with the whole civil and social life of the Romans.

"These festivals had an import which easily admitted of being spiritualized, and tranformed into a Christian sense. First came the Saturnalia, which represented the Golden Age, and abolished for a while the distinction of ranks.

"Then came the custom, peculiar to this season, of making presents, afterwards transferred to the Christmas festival.

"After the Saturnalia came the Festival of Infants [Juvenalia], at which the children were presented with images.

"Next came a festival still more analogous to Christmas, that of the shortest day [Brumalia], the Winter Solstice1, the Birthday of the New Sun, about to return once more toward the earth... Hence the celebration of the Nativity of Christ was transferred to December 25.

"In the Romish Church, Christmas is a very high festival."

HOW THE EARLY CHRISTIANS FELT

Regarding the attitude of early Christians toward such things, Auld says--

"As for the first believers, they had NOT THE SLIGHTEST INTEREST IN ANYTHING OF THE KIND. Hope in the Lord's imminent return from heaven in great power and glory was the flame that fired their devotion."

In the book, The Customs of Mankind, we read--

"Christmas was originally a festival of the Winter Solstice. It was customary to hold great feasts in honor of the HEATHEN GODS. The early teachers of Christianity PROHIBITED THESE FESTIVALS as unsuited to the character of Christ. Yet the symbols and customs of the old festivals are adapted to the new, and so we find Christmas patterned with many customs of pagan origin.

"To the mind of the Puritans, Christmas smelled to heaven of idolatry... The Puritans abolished Christmas as a hateful relic of Popery."

Tertullian--who wrote (says Encyclopedia Britannica) "in a period when a LAX SPIRIT OF CONFORMITY had seized the churches": about 200 AD--says regarding decorating with evergreens and ceremonial candles--

"Let those who have no Light, light their lamps, let them affix to their posts laurels. YOU [Christians] are the Light of the World, a tree ever green. If you have renounced temples, make not your own gate a temple [by heathen wreaths]."

Crippen says--

"At the time of persecution, Christians were detected by NOT decorating their houses at the Saturnalia."

Some conformed to the heathen customs to avoid suspicion, and to appear like their neighbors, so they would not be looked on as odd and different. This practice was strongly condemned by the early church. And Campbell relates--

"There can be no doubt that [some of] the early Christians also frequently shared in the frolics of their heathen neighbors; and the fathers of the Church had considerable difficulty in prevailing on their members to refrain from such unedifying pastimes.

"The early Christians discouraged the use of evergreen decorations in Christian homes and assemblies, because their display had long been associated with heathen festivals. Bishop Martin of Braga forbad the use of all greenery and 'other dangerous Kalend customs'."

Crippen remarks --

"So long as heathenism was in full vigor, the ancient Christians were puritanically jealous of anything that might seem like coqueting with idolatry. But when heathenism was declining, there was a disposition to adopt its customs. What had been heathenish became rich with Christian (!) symbol."

Note that last statement. Auld too betrays the same perverted outlook--

"The use of evergreens is one of the happy (!) contributions which PAGANISM made to the Christian festival. At first the Church frowned upon this intrusion of paganism into the sacred season. But altogether, the ancient Church was wisely tolerant (!) in her attitude to heathen IDEAS and customs ... hence the curious and interesting MIXTURES of IDEAS -- pagan and Christian -- which became charmingly (!) entwisted."

After unsuccesfully fighting the adoption of pagan customs, says Campbell --

"The clergy endeavored to transform the heathen revels into amusements which -- if not really more spiritual in character -- had at least the merit of recognizing the authority of the Church."

The Encyclopedia Britannica confirms this --

"As Christianity spread among the peoples of pagan lands, many of the practices of the Winter Solstice were blended with those of Christianity, because of the liberal ruling of Pope Gregory I and the cooperation of the missionaries."

That is, instead of teaching the converts to abandon their old superstitions, and to start a clean new life solely according to the Way of God, the Church found it more practical and profitable to give the old superstitions new names, and mix Christianity with paganism.

And such was the slow but deadly course by which what was originally the faithful and holy Ecclesia of Christ exchanged purity for pleasure, and the friendship and Way of God for the friendship and ways of the world.

http://www.antipas.org/books/xmas/xmas4.html

http://www.antipas.org/books/xmas/xmas5.html
 
Lewis, if you want to discuss Christmas and its actual origins, I'll be glad to. One should not confuse Christmas, a Mass in celebration of the birth of Jesus, with the myriad of traditions like yule logs and Santa Claus that were snuck in without Church approval.

Catholics celebrate the Divine Litury, or "Mass" every Sunday. A few are dedicated to special occasions and take place during the week, such is the case with the Christ-Mass.

That's how it got started. It was a Mass to celebrate the birth of our Lord, just as we have a Mass for the crucifixion/resurrection and Pentecost.

Christmas has NOTHING to do with Saturnalia or any of the conspiracy theories that go around on the internet. If you actually look into what the holidays celebrated, it had nothing to do with Christmas. You can quote this garbage all day, but it is far from the truth.
 
Well, I know nothing of Christmas mass and such, but as far as putting up a tree goes, yeah, my family does every year. We go out to my Grandpa's land on a mountain and hunt one down. When we find one we like, we chop it down. Then, we hunt down mistletoe and shoot it out of the tree (which actually becomes a contest to see who can shoot the largest bunch down - Daddy normally wins). Of course, we also have to get some red berries, and Daddy usually finds a few rocks that he has to pick up. (He really likes rocks, but that's another story.) When we get home, then the tree gets put up and decorated with our mish-mesh of ornaments and lights.

We also have several other decorations inside the house, and we have started putting a few strings of lights up on our porch posts within the past couple of years.
 
I used to put up a tree , but now I haven't for about I guess 4 years . My children who are all grown and have children they put up a tree . They are pretty to look at.



Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God.
 
The source that you have cited, Lewis, antipas.org, is light on fact and heavy on editorial commentary. It is the official site of the Christadelphians, about whom Carm.org comments
Christadelphian theology is another clever impersonation of Christianity. It denies the devil's existence as a fallen angel, as well as fiery hell, the Trinity, that Jesus' sacrifice was substitutionary, and it teaches that Jesus had a sinful nature. It is definitely not Christian. Read about the Christadelphians here.

Do you indeed a source that denies that Satan is an actual being
http://www.antipas.org/books/chris_astray/ca_lec07.html
that denies the Trinity
http://www.antipas.org/books/pwhite_trinity/pwt_.html
describes the Holy Spirit as a "power,"
http://www.antipas.org/books/fingerposts/fp_32.html
and who teaches that Christianity has been astray since the death of the Apostles.
http://www.antipas.org/books/fingerposts/fp_24.html

We could do a step-by-step refutation of their take on Christmas, if you'd like...but I think some people are constitutionally geared towards a "touch not/taste not" apoproach to their Christian life.
I accept them as a weaker brother, but reject and refute their arguments where necessary.
 
stray bullet said:
Lewis, if you want to discuss Christmas and its actual origins, I'll be glad to. One should not confuse Christmas, a Mass in celebration of the birth of Jesus, with the myriad of traditions like yule logs and Santa Claus that were snuck in without Church approval.

Catholics celebrate the Divine Litury, or "Mass" every Sunday. A few are dedicated to special occasions and take place during the week, such is the case with the Christ-Mass.

That's how it got started. It was a Mass to celebrate the birth of our Lord, just as we have a Mass for the crucifixion/resurrection and Pentecost.

Christmas has NOTHING to do with Saturnalia or any of the conspiracy theories that go around on the internet. If you actually look into what the holidays celebrated, it had nothing to do with Christmas. You can quote this garbage all day, but it is far from the truth.
You know, I have wondered if the word Christmas had something to do with CHRIST MASS. Thanks for clearing that up. That is kinda cool.
 
When I bring a tree into the house, I put my living room furniture back out in the woods.

People tell me, "That's stupid to put your furniture in the woods."

I say, "Well, I brought a tree in from outside to go indoors. Can't I put something from the indoors outside?"
 
When I bring a tree into the house, I put my living room furniture back out in the woods.

People tell me, "That's stupid to put your furniture in the woods."

I say, "Well, I brought a tree in from outside to go indoors. Can't I put something from the indoors outside?"
If you are not pulling my leg. Could you tell me why, you would do that ?
 
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