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CHrists Birthday (celebration)???

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What does everyone think about these facts.

We are approaching that time of year when Christians and non-Christians alike participate in the celebration of the holiday called Christmas. According to Christian tradition, it is the day on which the Messiah was born. Is this day truly the birthday of the Messiah? Are we commanded to celebrate His birth? What did His birth actually accomplish? Does this holiday have questionable beginnings?

The Birth

First, let us consider the Biblical account of the birth of the Messiah. In the Hebrew Scriptures, there are many prophecies that relate to His birth. Yet, in the Messianic Scriptures, there are only two recorded accounts of the actual event: Matthew 1:18-2:12 and Luke 2:1-20.
The birth itself is significant in the fact that "the Word [the Messiah] became flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14a). It was different from any other birth because His mother was a virgin and "was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 1:18). God, through His Holy Spirit, would be His Father.
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To become the Lamb of God, Jesus had to be born.

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To become the Lamb of God, Jesus had to be born. Yet, it is His death that provides the atonement for our sins and His resurrection that provides us with eternal life (Romans 5:9-10). The Church puts more focus on His birth than on His death. By doing so, in the eyes of most believers, He remains "sweet baby Jesus" and never becomes the Lamb of God.

Nowhere in the Messianic Scriptures does it mention anything regarding a celebration, a festival or even commemorating anything to do with the day of His birth. It is only at His final Passover meal with His disciples that Jesus says anything about remembering Him: "And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it, and gave it to them, saying, 'This is My body which is given for you; do this [celebrate the Passover] in remembrance of Me'" (Luke 22:19).


History of the Tradition

There is no record, either in Scripture or in history, of the early Church celebrating the birth of the Messiah. The only holidays that the early Church celebrated were the ones listed in Leviticus 23  the Lord's festivals (see the Gospels and the book of Acts).
So when did the Church first start celebrating Christmas? No one knows for sure, but the first mention of it is in a Roman almanac dated 354 CE. However, it does not mention any celebration associated with it.
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The roots of Christmas appear to be located in the worship of Mithra

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While the beginnings of Christmas cannot be definitely traced, its roots appear to be located in the worship of Mithra, the Persian sun god (the Romans called him Mithras). This god is said to have been born in a cave where shepherds came to worship him, believing him to be a son of god. His birthday was celebrated each year on December 25th. He was believed to have been killed by the god of darkness but had risen from the dead. His resurrection was celebrated each year in the early spring. In observance of this, a white bull or lamb was slain over a metal grating. Underneath the grating, blood from the lamb dripped down and "baptized" new converts who would join Mithra in the eternal war against evil. His followers then ate bread and wine in a mass communion meal. Almost five-hundred years before the birth of Jesus, Satan was preparing a counterfeit, an illusion, to deceive and confuse would-be followers of the true Lamb.

This satanic cult became a major competitor of Christianity in the third and fourth centuries (CE). The Romans were eager participants in this cult (The cult had one day in the week that was sacred to it  the Day of the Sun: Sunday).

The Church was mercilessly persecuted until the beginning of the reign of Constantine in 312 CE. At that time, the Church became accepted on a broad scale throughout the Gentile world. In order to accommodate the large influx of Gentiles, the Church began to adopt many pagan rituals. It attempted to call these rituals holy and focus them on the Lord. It took one of these rituals, it seems, celebrated on December 25th (the birthday of Mithra), and called it the birthday of the Messiah. It wasn't too hard. Satan had already set up Mithra as a reasonable counterfeit. For the most part, only the name had to be changed.

Mithra is alluded to twice in Scripture. Mithredath (meaning "given by Mithra") was the treasurer of king Cyrus who had control of the vessels from the Temple (Ezra 1:8). The other Mithredath was a Persian official. He was among the conspirators who wrote a letter to Artaxerxes, king of Persia, falsely accusing the Jews of trying to organize a rebellion against the king (Ezra 4:7).


Analysis

The Church, in the end, tried to adopt the ways of the world. In persecution the Church was kept pure, but when it was embraced by the world  and conformed  it became as a harlot. We, especially in the United States, cannot imagine the kind of persecution that the early Church had to endure. Yet, we are not to conform in order to avoid the persecution that is sure to come. The Church was intended to be a light to the world, to shine light on the darkness that had entered the world. Jesus did not deceive His disciples. He told them they would suffer persecution. Paul gives a long list of the persecution he had to endure (2 Corinthians 11:23-28). John stated he was in prison on the island of Patmos "because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus". Peter said not to be surprised when we are persecuted, that we would have to suffer in the flesh just as Jesus had suffered. The witness of the Gospel is that we don't conform, even under the threat of persecution, that our trust is in the Lord.

Conclusion

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The Church has chosen to observe a celebration that is not Biblical while rejecting those celebrations that are appointed by the Lord.

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The festival has now become firmly positioned within the Church as a Christian celebration. In doing this, the Church has chosen to observe a celebration that is not Biblical while rejecting those celebrations that are appointed by the Lord (Leviticus 23). Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of His time for their traditions: "Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the traditions of men" (Mark 7:8). Eighteen-hundred years later, nothing had changed: "Though these two divine streams [the Bible and tradition] are in themselves, on account of their divine origin, of equal sacredness, and are both full of revealed truths, still, of the two, tradition is to us more clear and safe (Catholic Belief, 1884 edition, p. 45).
 
Romans 14:4-6
(4) Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
(5) One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
(6) He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.



Unless what you are taking part in is sinful and ungodly.
 
Hi Carey,

Our family does not celebrate Christmas because we believe Scripture teaches that this idol of the high places needs to be torn down completely and not to be honored/redeemed for God by His children. The tradition is a distorted truth mixed with lies, and deception, and we did not want to teach our children to commit adultery with the world against God. It is the Truth of God that we want to teach them, and instill...not a taste for the lusts of the world.

Many seem angry, or disturbed, that we do not honor such a day, and unwilling to lend any credibility to the truth of the dangers of mixing the things of God with the things of the world. This is not a popular view on any level, I guess, but our fellow brothers, and sisters, seem to be the ones who struggle with us most about this matter. We do not celebrate Easter for the same reasons, and it is received in the same way.

The Lord bless all of you.
 
lovely said:
Hi Carey,

Our family does not celebrate Christmas because we believe Scripture teaches that this idol of the high places needs to be torn down completely and not to be honored/redeemed for God by His children. The tradition is a distorted truth mixed with lies, and deception, and we did not want to teach our children to commit adultery with the world against God. It is the Truth of God that we want to teach them, and instill...not a taste for the lusts of the world.

Many seem angry, or disturbed, that we do not honor such a day, and unwilling to lend any credibility to the truth of the dangers of mixing the things of God with the things of the world. This is not a popular view on any level, I guess, but our fellow brothers, and sisters, seem to be the ones who struggle with us most about this matter. We do not celebrate Easter for the same reasons, and it is received in the same way.

The Lord bless all of you.

I agree. also nicely put in a cool calm tactful manner.
 
hmmm

lovely said:
Hi Carey,

Our family does not celebrate Christmas because we believe Scripture teaches that this idol of the high places needs to be torn down completely and not to be honored/redeemed for God by His children. The tradition is a distorted truth mixed with lies, and deception, and we did not want to teach our children to commit adultery with the world against God. It is the Truth of God that we want to teach them, and instill...not a taste for the lusts of the world.

Many seem angry, or disturbed, that we do not honor such a day, and unwilling to lend any credibility to the truth of the dangers of mixing the things of God with the things of the world. This is not a popular view on any level, I guess, but our fellow brothers, and sisters, seem to be the ones who struggle with us most about this matter. We do not celebrate Easter for the same reasons, and it is received in the same way.

The Lord bless all of you.

We dont do easter either.
Halloween is here abn dit really makes my skin crawl.
I do do Thanks Giving though I love that one :angel:
 
While the beginnings of Christmas cannot be definitely traced, its roots appear to be located in the worship of Mithra, the Persian sun god (the Romans called him Mithras). This god is said to have been born in a cave where shepherds came to worship him, believing him to be a son of god. His birthday was celebrated each year on December 25th. He was believed to have been killed by the god of darkness but had risen from the dead. His resurrection was celebrated each year in the early spring. In observance of this, a white bull or lamb was slain over a metal grating. Underneath the grating, blood from the lamb dripped down and "baptized" new converts who would join Mithra in the eternal war against evil. His followers then ate bread and wine in a mass communion meal. Almost five-hundred years before the birth of Jesus, Satan was preparing a counterfeit, an illusion, to deceive and confuse would-be followers of the true Lamb.

What an amazing bit of misinformation. I always love to see someone post information about Mithraism that has no idea what it is about.

Mithra was not the son of a god, but was born of a rock and was the central god of the religion.

The supposed pagan connection to Christmas is nonsense. "Dies natalis Solis Invicti, "birthday of the undefeated Sun" was first celebrated in 274, 74 years after the first record celebration of Christmas.

Christmas was a feast day in early Christianity, celebrating the incarnation of the Lord. Originally in May, it was later moved to December 25 so a universal date could be set in the Church. Exactly 9 months after the conception of Christ was being celebrated.
 
I believe in celebrating Jesus. Period.
His birth
His life
His teachings
His love
His sacrifice
His passion
His death
His resurrection
His gift of eternal life
His Holy Spirit
His Word
His providence
His healing
His reconciling us to the Father
I celebrate Christmas and Easter year round.


What I do not believe in is telling lies to our children, and taking the focus of their attention off of Jesus Christ, and refocusing it on worldly things, and idols.

If there is one thing that I absolutely loathe, it is the way society will tell their children that there is a Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, a tooth fairy, and a Jesus Christ.

Eventually the child learns that we lied to him. Santa Claus is not real.

I am not talking about Nicholas, the saint that lived a while back and was generous. If we were honest with ourselves, we would let him rest in peace. This is not the person that children worship.

I am talking about the do it yourself idol. He has all of the characteristics of a biblical idol. He is a supernatural being, with supernatural powers. He lives in the North Pole. He has flying reindeer. He is omniscient. (Knows if you are sleeping, if you have been good or bad) and he hands out rewards based on works. He is used by parents to make children behave.

After teaching our children about this idol, they later on learn that they were lied to. Remember how you felt when you found that out? Isn't that about the same time your parents began losing credibility?

We tell our children that there is an Easter bunny who brings baskets full of candy. There is a tooth fairy who brings you money in the middle of the night.

Santa Claus. The Easter bunny. The tooth fairy.
Just three lies that mom and dad told. They were backed up by the rest of society on all three counts.

Now we are going to sit down with this child and ask them to believe that there is a Jesus Christ who died and rose again, and their soul hangs in the balance.
 
hmmm

stray bullet said:
What an amazing bit of misinformation. I always love to see someone post information about Mithraism that has no idea what it is about.

Mithra was not the son of a god, but was born of a rock and was the central god of the religion.

The supposed pagan connection to Christmas is nonsense. "Dies natalis Solis Invicti, "birthday of the undefeated Sun" was first celebrated in 274, 74 years after the first record celebration of Christmas.

Christmas was a feast day in early Christianity, celebrating the incarnation of the Lord. Originally in May, it was later moved to December 25 so a universal date could be set in the Church. Exactly 9 months after the conception of Christ was being celebrated.

Please tell us where you got this info.
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
I believe in celebrating Jesus. Period.
His birth
His life
His teachings
His love
His sacrifice
His passion
His death
His resurrection
His gift of eternal life
His Holy Spirit
His Word
His providence
His healing
His reconciling us to the Father
I celebrate Christmas and Easter year round.


What I do not believe in is telling lies to our children, and taking the focus of their attention off of Jesus Christ, and refocusing it on worldly things, and idols.

If there is one thing that I absolutely loathe, it is the way society will tell their children that there is a Santa Claus, an Easter Bunny, a tooth fairy, and a Jesus Christ.

Eventually the child learns that we lied to him. Santa Claus is not real.

I am not talking about Nicholas, the saint that lived a while back and was generous. If we were honest with ourselves, we would let him rest in peace. This is not the person that children worship.

I am talking about the do it yourself idol. He has all of the characteristics of a biblical idol. He is a supernatural being, with supernatural powers. He lives in the North Pole. He has flying reindeer. He is omniscient. (Knows if you are sleeping, if you have been good or bad) and he hands out rewards based on works. He is used by parents to make children behave.

After teaching our children about this idol, they later on learn that they were lied to. Remember how you felt when you found that out? Isn't that about the same time your parents began losing credibility?

We tell our children that there is an Easter bunny who brings baskets full of candy. There is a tooth fairy who brings you money in the middle of the night.

Santa Claus. The Easter bunny. The tooth fairy.
Just three lies that mom and dad told. They were backed up by the rest of society on all three counts.

Now we are going to sit down with this child and ask them to believe that there is a Jesus Christ who died and rose again, and their soul hangs in the balance.

Glory to God Sis!!!

And when people say we dont do santa and all that, yet they still give presents to people who's day isnt their birthday and give nothing the Saviour, whether time ,gifts, ability...etc

If you want to celebrate Xmas, Leave Christ out of it and stop trying to justify the worldlyness of it all.
 
Many good posts in here, with much to think about

What came to me, even before I clicked on the Bible readings, is that the fact the shepherds were in the fields at night, watching their flocks, proves that Jesus was not born in Israeli winter: nor was He crucified in March/April, but on the Day of Atonement - Yom Kippur

The Bible says to have nothing to do with demonic deceptions & folk just don't know what demonic powers they unleash on their little kids with false tales of Santa & tooth fairy coming into their bedrooms while they sleep

Back to link 'wicca: a demonic cult of rebellion (against God)' ..

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=23738

Just time to say that 'New Age = ancient occult, merely spin-doctored, but still forbidden in Deuteronomy 18:9-13 & Ezekiel 13, 2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13, etc

& 'the gospel in the feasts of Israel'

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=25062

A few times in the past 2 weeks, while I've prayed, the Lord has reminded me of the Bible prophecy about 'changing the times & the seasons'

God's year does not start in January, but with that cluster of October feasts, as was repeatedly pointed out on Christian TV during those feasts


What God also impressd upon me, as soon as I saw the title thread, was a verse \quoted a few days ago - "Preach the Word in season & out of season"

It is still a fact that more folk go to church at Christmas & Easter than at any other times of year, so let's use every opportunity to teach the truth of God's Word & refute the lies of human wisdom & Satan's strategies

God bless!

Ian
 
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