Coming Of Christ's Kingdom: A Warning

[veteran]

No Christian should be confused about the coming of Christ's Kingdom, nor where it is to be manifested per God's Holy Writ. His Kingdom is not manifested yet today, because it is to manifest here on earth per God's Word:

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
(KJV)

That one verse declares Christ's Kingdom comes when the "seventh angel" sounds, and it's about His taking over all the kingdoms of this world on earth. And from that point forward, Christ will rule over it for ever and ever. Moreover, Zechariah 14 shows us Christ's feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem when He returns, and that area will be cleaved in two to form a great valley there for the saints returning. Just because that part is written in the Old Testament Book of Zechariah don't let it sway you. It has not happenned yet.

OK then. If you understand the above, then why are doctrines being preached against that today? Who is really behind movements today that want to us to believe this world as it is now, is already Christ's Kingdom come? What movement is happenning on earth today that would want us Christians to believe Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth?

We all certainly know about Christ's Apostle's teaching that those who believe on Jesus Christ are now known as the "sons of God", and have become "a new creature" through Christ. That is considered to be meant in the spiritual sense, because it's obvious we're still in a material creation here on earth. But is it meant only spiritually or literally? It is literal, because our Lord Jesus taught there will be a resurrection of the damned also, and they'll still be liable to perish at the "second death" in the "lake of fire". Thus becoming the "sons of God" and "a new creature" through Christ is literally about our soul putting on immortality by The Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus unto Eternal Life. But we have to go through the resurrection for that to be fully manifested. Have you been raised from the dead yet, or gone through the "last trump" change the Apostle Paul taught in 1 Cor.15? I don't think so, if you're able to read and reply to any of this.

There's obvious earthly material conditions llinked with the literal coming of Christ's Kingdom and its manifesting on earth, showing us when and how it will come. The important thing is to realize its literal coming on earth with all the Scripture conditions being met has yet to happen. It's still expecting today, so don't allow anyone to try and cheat you on that, causing you to think this world now is Christ's Kingdom come. Why would some want us to believe differently?

I've known about the plan to establish a "one world government" on this earth since the late '70's. I didn't really understand that until I got more into God's Word for myself asking our Lord's help. I've even met some of the smaller group of thinkers that are in that world government movement. Most haven't had that kind of exposure to it. But once you become aware, it's then very easy to look up history about that movement, finding things written coming out of their own mouths pointing directly to it, even the term "one world government" and it's use in periodicals and various news articles (from even political speeches).

What's difficult to fathom about those, is that quite a few of them are professing Christians. They serve a double life, because they actually believe true Christianity is not really about what most Christians believe. They are taught and think that true Christianity is allied more with eastern traditions of esoteric practices like the ancient 'mystery schools' of temple initiation ritual and transcendentalism. This is why they are so willing to accept ALL religions as merely different paths to the same God. It's about the gathering of all kingdoms and nations together into their "one world government".

What does this mean? It means today, among Christian Churches, we have some of them influencing the doctrines of Christ according to their beliefs from their training in the various mystical initiation outlets allied with the one world government factions. It means WE MAY EXPECT doctrines today among the Churches to include ideas about Christ's Kingdom having come on this earth in the NOW, to include tolerance of ALL religious beliefs in joining all nations together on earth. And that in order create what condition on this earth? The "Peace and safety" sign the Apostle Paul gave in 1 Thess.5.

According to our Heavenly Father, why is that nation gathering idea set for the last days?

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
(KJV)

That's the "sudden destruction" Apostle Paul was talking about in 1 Thess.5 that will come upon "them", when they shall say, "Peace and safety" (1 Thess.5:3; see also Isaiah 8). That time of "Peace and safety" shows us that in the very end just prior to Christ's coming, there will be a time of peace and safety on this earth, with all nations joined together with a one world government system over them. That's the first beast system of Rev.13:1, the whole statue of Daniel 2 with ten toes made of mixed iron and clay that will tumble when The Stone the builders rejected smacks it (Dan.2:34-35). Those in Christ Jesus are to be found WAITING for Christ all the way to the end until The LORD rises up to the prey and pours out His indignation upon that world system.

This shows there's to be a false world kingdom in the last days that wants to act like Christ's future True Kingdom still to come. In Rev.13:11 forward we're shown another beast that is to come and play the religous head in contrast to the political one world government beast system of Rev.13:1. One world, one government, and one religious head over all the earth's nations and religions. That's the grand picture. So when your religous system or Church starts telling you to bow down to that one-world religious head that will be part of the world government's plan, run, don't walk away from that group, for to fall in with that will be to play the spiritual harlot and not remain a chaste virgin waiting on Christ Jesus.

 

[whirlwind]

• I agree with much of your post Veteran but the kingdom is manifested in us.....

Luke 17:20-21 And when He was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, He answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


1 Thessalonians 2:12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

John 14:21-23 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto Him, "If a man love Me, he will keep My words: and My Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make Our abode with him.

2 Corinthians 4:10-11 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

 

[samuel]

Its called Kingdom Theology, its not preached by any certain group/denomination. But is of individual interpretation.

The idea is that the Church has the job of bringing Christ kingdom to fruition, and his kingdom is present on earth through the Church (literally). Of course this leaves the door open for someone not Christ, to come along making that claim since his kingdom is already here, and does not have to come.

I have ran into a few of these people, and tried to reason with them --- not easy. In fact I really got nowhere, the ones I ran into were totally brain washed it seemed.

 

[Bob0matiC]

It is my undersanding that Christ came into his kingdom when he rose from the dead. All judgment was given to him, and he sits at the right hand of God. He rules his kingdom even now. He is our king now and always. He became worthy when he overcame sin. He became king when he bought us with his blood. He became lord when he overcame death.

 

[veteran]

Thanks for the replies. I've heard the term "Kingdom Theology", but I never paid much attention to the phrase. I surely agree there's way too many views about it though, when there shouldn't be, since The Bible is talking about a literal physical structure with Christ's future Kingdom on earth.

The Revelation 11:15 verse is just one Scripture example I posted to show that Christ's Kingdom also is to have a physical representation and structure here on earth when our Lord returns, and that structure has not manifested yet today on earth. I also agree the 'inner' structure within Christ's Body is already in place, but not the outward structure. A major sign of that difference is that all Christians everywhere will stop being persecuted by those who hate Christ Jesus.

I believe in the resurrection Paul taught in 1 Cor.15 about the change all will go through of putting on a body of incorruption (also per our Lord in John 5 with two types of resurrection). The change a believer by Faith on The Father through His Son experiences is an inner change, as our Lord showed in John 4. That's the "new creature" state Paul taught; it's an inner working. But it is not the outward change the resurrection time will bring at Christ's coming, which is a change from our flesh bodies to the "image of the heavenly", a body of incorruption that can live forever. That's the redemption of our body Paul was speaking of in Romans 8, an outward change.

Along with that outward change at Christ's coming, we are also shown Christ setting up a ruling structure here on earth, His saints ruling with Him with "a rod of iron" (per Rev. and the Psalms). That's specifically about the "first resurrection" of Rev.20 and the "camp of the saints" on earth ruling directly over the nations and kingdoms of this world. There are many OT Scriptures giving that detail to show a coming literal structure on earth also, though many will only look at the NT about it, which gives a limited detail.

Revelation 11:15 shows all the kingdoms of this world becoming the kingdoms of The Lord and of His Christ on the seventh trumpet sounding. That declaration limits what we can speculate of how Christ's future Kingdom will manifest outwardly. It shows we can't just assign it up in the clouds, nor on another planet, nor solely in a Heaven away from the earth. We are clearly shown in God's Word it will manifest literally upon this earth.

It's very important to mark this distinction for today, because the leadership on earth is wanting us to be prepared to accept this world we're in now, how it exists today, as Christ's Kingdom having come. That means accepting all the wickedness still going on today, as if that will eventually go away as man's evolution progresses. That thinking immediately excludes the resurrection The Bible teaches as a requirement, along with many other literal earth changes written that are to occur with Christ's return to earth. In other words, those that accept this world today as Christ's Kingdom are being terribly deceived, and haven't much clue about the glory yet to manifest on this earth when Christ does return.

I see many believers putting faith in this world today, while turning an eye away from the evil that's still going on. For that I've got a new term. I call it "Bubble theology". Many haven't had a chance to travel to other lands where Christians are suffering great persecutions just for being Christian. We are still blessed by God in the Christian west, even though the times in the west are still a lot different than my younger years. It seems each new generation is being brain-washed more and more into man's concept of peace on earth, vs. our Lord's Biblical concept of peace on earth. I believe that is purposed in prep for the future great falling away when today's world leaders setup a false king over the earth. If many believe Christ's Kingdom structure has come today already on this earth, they will easily believe that false king is Christ come too.

 

[Elf]

No Christian should be confused about the coming of Christ's Kingdom, nor where it is to be manifested per God's Holy Writ. His Kingdom is not manifested yet today, because it is to manifest here on earth per God's Word:

Rev 11:15
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.
(KJV)

That one verse declares Christ's Kingdom comes when the "seventh angel" sounds, and it's about His taking over all the kingdoms of this world on earth. And from that point forward, Christ will rule over it for ever and ever.

Curious, how do you know the seventh Angel didn't sound the trumpet yet? What do you believe the sounding of the trumpet stands for?
Just curious.

Moreover, Zechariah 14 shows us Christ's feet will touch down upon the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem when He returns, and that area will be cleaved in two to form a great valley there for the saints returning. Just because that part is written in the Old Testament Book of Zechariah don't let it sway you. It has not happenned yet.

How do you know it hasn't happened yet? Do you believe all prophesy is to be taken as everything done literally, and is not in any way symbolic?

OK then. If you understand the above, then why are doctrines being preached against that today?

They could ask the same question of you, why do you take everything literal?

Who is really behind movements today that want to us to believe this world as it is now, is already Christ's Kingdom come?

Again, who is behind the movements today who want us to believe Christ didn't come to set up the kingdom, but was prevented by the Jews?

What movement is happenning on earth today that would want us Christians to believe Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth?

There is a difference between a physical kingdom and a spiritual kingdom. Isn't there spiritual warfare?

 

[veteran]

1. The trumpets sound the order of battle. Per Rev.11:15, the 7th trumpet is given with the third woe declaring Christ's coming. The "last trump" Paul mentioned in 1 Cor.15 is that 7th trumpet. There's only seven trumpets written about in Revelation, and the 7th is the last one to sound. So the Rev.11:15 verse is not just left open to interpret anyway one wants.

2. All prophecy using figurative speech is about literal events or things, because the purpose of figurative speech, analogy, parable, or allegory as used in God's Word is to make literal matters easier to understand. When our Lord Jesus said you don't put new wine into old bottles lest they break, He was using analogy to teach a literal Truth. Even all the Revelation symbols and expressions point to literal events or literal things. The locust army metaphor in Rev.9 even is pointing to an actual event to take place. That's where many are confused today, because they key on the symbol more than the literal thing or event it's pointing to.

3. Most of the symbology God uses in His Word is very natural, of natural things everyone can relate to. It's not difficult to grasp when God is using those things as symbols or analogy to point to some literal thing or event. The English language does it all the time too.

4. Christ did come the first time to setup His Kingdom, but He was rejected, and so was His Kingdom. If you read your Bible you'll soon figure that out, for they crucified Him also. But the second time He will appear not meek as a Lamb prepared for the slaughter, but carrying a two-edged sword that cuts both ways. He's coming to literally rule the next time. There are many OT and NT Scriptures to show He will literally rule on earth. The Zech.14 chapter is only one of them. It's the false Jews of the "synagogue of Satan" that primarily deny Christ's first coming. That's who is behind trying to get peoples today to deny Jesus of Nazareth as The Savior, or to trick Christians into thinking there was only one coming, or even that there'll be three times of His coming with the "secret rapture" theory. The Bible declares Christ's first and second coming, and that's all.

5. Even those who profess Christ's Kingdom is spiritual only indirectly admit an earthly physical Kingdom also. The difference is they're being taught this world, today, is the physical manifestation of the spiritual Kingdom. How the times are on this earth today is not how God's Word delcares Christ's physical Kingdom. And there's so much Scripture evidence to that fact it would take too much space here to declare it all. The River coming out of the sanctuary in Ezekiel 47 would be a good read for those interested.