Conditional?

[donadams]

I see you are adding the word apostle to fit your ideology.
You also use "we are" that would include myself... so I am an Apostle according to your ideology.
You say "we" must submit to "we".
So I will submit to myself and you to yourself?

Why not just quote a clear Bible verse that backs your opinion?
Why is every verse you submit a vague reference?

If not the apostles whom Christ committed the kingdom lk 22:29 and the power to bind and loose Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 THEN WHO DOES IT REFER TOO???

 

[Paul Timothy]

If not the apostles whom Christ committed the kingdom lk 22:29 and the power to bind and loose Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 THEN WHO DOES IT REFER TOO???

That is your job to figure out.
Work out your own theology.

But your wording was confused as you said "we" should submit to "we".
And your wording said that we were all Apostles.

So which is it?

 

[donadams]

That is your job to figure out.
Work out your own theology.

But your wording was confused as you said "we" should submit to "we".
And your wording said that we were all Apostles.

So which is it?

Apostles only

 

[Paul Timothy]

Apostles only

Where is your proof of that statement?

Peter named me a royal priest.

 

[donadams]

Where is your proof of that statement?

Peter named me a royal priest.

But Christ and the apostles are priests of the order of melchisedec

Christ high priest over the apostles the low priests of the same ministerial order
Thanks

 

[Paul Timothy]

But Christ and the apostles are priests of the order of melchisedec

Christ high priest over the apostles the low priests of the same ministerial order
Thanks

Peter called believers as priests. Not just disciples.

So as a priest I say what is right. According to your logic of succession.

 

[donadams]

Peter called believers as priests. Not just disciples.

So as a priest I say what is right. According to your logic of succession.

Yes if you hold the faith and baptism you are a priest but only according to the order of the faithful (believer), the royal priesthood. (Not ministerial)

Christ and the apostles according to another order of priesthood, the ministerial order of melchisedec

Complete difference between the apostles and us!

They have the jurisdictional authority, we must submit and obey!
Thanks

 

[GodsGrace]

Christ and His church are one and inseparable! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:1 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

Do you believe this?

Christ and His church are not one.

The church fell away from the Lord's commandments for many hundreds of years.
It caused the Reformation and it caused the church to splinter into hundreds of denominations - which I'm sure Jesus did not want.

The church is falling away this very day.
Instead of having an effect on the world,
the world is having an effect on the church.

I suggest you do not depend on your church,
but on God.

God never changes...
all the churches seem to be changing.

 

[GodsGrace]

Peter called believers as priests. Not just disciples.

So as a priest I say what is right. According to your logic of succession.

You weren't one of the Apostles.
You have no succession, only the Apostles and those that came after them do.
Jesus BREATHED ON THEM.
He gave them authority...He gave them the keys.

 

[Paul Timothy]

Yes if you hold the faith and baptism you are a priest but only according to the order of the faithful (believer), the royal priesthood. (Not ministerial)

Christ and the apostles according to another order of priesthood, the ministerial order of melchisedec

Complete difference between the apostles and us!

They have the jurisdictional authority, we must submit and obey!
Thanks

It is very convenient how your definitions change from what the Bible says.

There is not two priesthood menti0ned on the Bible.

So you are making one up. Or show the reference that says there are two different priesthoods.

 

[Paul Timothy]

You weren't one of the Apostles.
You have no succession, only the Apostles and those that came after them do.
Jesus BREATHED ON THEM.
He gave them authority...He gave them the keys.

And who are you to say that I am not decended from an Apostle?

You just said that "those that came after them do" bit exclude persons who you disagree with. Convenient.

I am a successor to Mathew... why not? Do you have any proof to counter my claim?

 

[GodsGrace]

And who are you to say that I am not decended from an Apostle?

You just said that "those that came after them do" bit exclude persons who you disagree with. Convenient.

I am a successor to Mathew... why not? Do you have any proof to counter my claim?

If you have something serious to say, I'll respond.

 

[Paul Timothy]

If you have something serious to say, I'll respond.

Same.

 

[donadams]

It is very convenient how your definitions change from what the Bible says.

There is not two priesthood menti0ned on the Bible.

So you are making one up. Or show the reference that says there are two different priesthoods.

Heb 7:17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood,

See a diff?

 

[Paul Timothy]

Heb 7:17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”[a]

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood,

See a diff?

No.

 

[donadams]

No.

Is being simpleminded a requirement of Protestantism?

 

[donadams]

Is being simpleminded a requirement of Protestantism?

I don’t think it is but he seems to insist upon it, and you know I’m trying my best to help him understand and to realize that thinking is required for apologetics
Thanks

 

[Paul Timothy]

I don’t think it is but he seems to insist upon it, and you know I’m trying my best to help him understand and to realize that thinking is required for apologetics
Thanks

I believe this was posted in the incorrect space. Probably should have been a PM.

 

[GodsGrace]

donadams

Why is this under Unorthodox Christian Ideals??

 

[donadams]

Sorry but I thought that was the place for such questions