Conservatives believe in God, Liberals believe they are Gods

[Guest]

You can read! Wow!! that's great. So get started. You may learn why you have the freedoms you have today.

Oh, I have been reading. I've not found any evidence of christian origins of this nation, though I have found a whole lot of unsupported assertions on your end. I've also found a tendency for you to avoid my responses when you don't agree with them.

BZZT! Oh, you're all out of time!! Better luck next time.

What is this, middle school? :roll:

 

[Guest]

Since you do not understand the rules of forum debate, start your own thread with your article. If you need help coming up with a subject name, PM me and I will help you.

Please get back to the topic of this thread. Thanks.

What is the topic of this thread? An excuse to bash liberals? An ode to Ann Coulter?

If you intended this thread to be a fan club meeting for Ann Coulter, you should have said as much. But the fact is that you're posting in an Apologetics forum where you KNOW there exist people with opinions that differ from yours.

You're a mod, so if you didn't want discussion why didn't you post your article and then lock the thread? You come across as awfully hypocritical.

 

[Solo]

Since you do not understand the rules of forum debate, start your own thread with your article. If you need help coming up with a subject name, PM me and I will help you.

Please get back to the topic of this thread. Thanks.

What is the topic of this thread? An excuse to bash liberals? An ode to Ann Coulter?

If you intended this thread to be a fan club meeting for Ann Coulter, you should have said as much. But the fact is that you're posting in an Apologetics forum where you KNOW there exist people with opinions that differ from yours.

You're a mod, so if you didn't want discussion why didn't you post your article and then lock the thread? You come across as awfully hypocritical.

This thread is about the comment that liberals cannot stand the concept of any absolute other than themselves. This is not a discussion on the founding fathers of this nation being Christians or atheists, etc. If you have a problem with this line of discussion, you might want to see the areas within your own self the common traits indicated by the article. Please do not continue to hijack this thread.

 

[Soma-Sight]

Genesis 3:5

For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

1 John 3:1

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

1 John 3:2

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Psalm 82:6

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

 

[Guest]

Okay then.

This thread is about the comment that liberals cannot stand the concept of any absolute other than themselves.

1. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that any absolutes exist.

Once we get past that...

2. Please describe what you mean when you say that someone is his or her own "absolute".

And if we can get that...

3. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that all liberals believe they are their own "absolute".

4. Please provide evidence that all conservatives do not believe they are their own "absolute".

 

[Solo]

Okay then.

This thread is about the comment that liberals cannot stand the concept of any absolute other than themselves.

1. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that any absolutes exist.

Once we get past that...

2. Please describe what you mean when you say that someone is his or her own "absolute".

And if we can get that...

3. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that all liberals believe they are their own "absolute".

4. Please provide evidence that all conservatives do not believe they are their own "absolute".

You have already proved the article by admitting to being a liberal, and then attacking in the typical liberal manner. You are your own god, and those that worship God the creator, in your insinuated manner, are less than you.

Thank you for scientifically giving a hands-on representation of the crux of the articles intention.

 

[Guest]

You have already proved the article by admitting to being a liberal, and then attacking in the typical liberal manner. You are your own god, and those that worship God the creator, in your insinuated manner, are less than you.

Thank you for scientifically giving a hands-on representation of the crux of the articles intention.

This is not a scientific article. It is an opinion piece, so it makes no sense to talk about 'proving' it.

You've also ignored all of my questions. How convenient for you. Let's try again!

1. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that any absolutes exist.

Once we get past that...

2. Please describe what you mean when you say that someone is his or her own "absolute".

And if we can get that...

3. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that all liberals believe they are their own "absolute".

4. Please provide evidence that all conservatives do not believe they are their own "absolute".

 

[Solo]

You have already proved the article by admitting to being a liberal, and then attacking in the typical liberal manner. You are your own god, and those that worship God the creator, in your insinuated manner, are less than you.

Thank you for scientifically giving a hands-on representation of the crux of the articles intention.

This is not a scientific article. It is an opinion piece, so it makes no sense to talk about 'proving' it.

You've also ignored all of my questions. How convenient for you. Let's try again!

1. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that any absolutes exist.

Once we get past that...

2. Please describe what you mean when you say that someone is his or her own "absolute".

And if we can get that...

3. Please provide scientific evidence for your claim that all liberals believe they are their own "absolute".

4. Please provide evidence that all conservatives do not believe they are their own "absolute".

Cosmo,
Thanks for also showing the difficulty in understanding facts when presented with them as indicated by the article when discussing Hugh Hewitt's column Democrats Will Get You Killed, where he stated how James Carville had a hard time even seeing the truth when hard physical evidence was laid directly before his eyes.

The scientific proof of this article can be achieved by you, being a liberal, addressing the following comments in the article. Please give us your understanding of the following comments of the article, and try to be as honest as possible:

• Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion. Conservatives believe God established this world and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.
  
  Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power. Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.
  
  Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so. Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.
  
  Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent. Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.
  
  In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

Please understand that this is an Apologetics and Theology forum, and scientific data is compiled differently in sociological studies than in studies where empirical data is necessary. Your assistance and contribution has been deeply appreciated. Thanks.
Solo

 

[Guest]

Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion.

Please define 'liberal elites' and provide evidence that all 'liberal elites' are relative moralists.

Conservatives believe God established this world...

Demonstrably untrue. Not all conservatives are

A) Christian, or
B) Believe in a god, or
C) Believe that a god created the world.

... and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all theists, Christian or otherwise, derive their morality from a god or gods.

Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power.

What does that even mean? Who "gains power" when innocent people die?

Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.

Demonstrably untrue. Many radical fundamentalists, right here in the US, are conservatives who believe the entire middle east should be nuked. I'm not joking.

Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all liberals are sexually promiscuous and many have strong family values. Many are opposed to gay marriage.

Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all conservatives oppose gay marriage or believe in a god.

Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent.

Demonstrably untrue, given that not all liberals believe in god or believe themselves to be "gods". Many liberals are economic conservatives, and vice-versa.

Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.

Demonstrably untrue, given that not all conservatives believe in a creator.

In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

Both demonstrably untrue given all the points above.

In short, every single one of these points was attempting to be way, way too inclusive. Even a single counter-example is enough to disprove each and every one because of the way they are worded. This is why stereotypes get you nowhere, regardless whether you're a conservative or liberal. :roll:

 

[Solo]

Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion.

Please define 'liberal elites' and provide evidence that all 'liberal elites' are relative moralists.

Conservatives believe God established this world...

Demonstrably untrue. Not all conservatives are

A) Christian, or
B) Believe in a god, or
C) Believe that a god created the world.

[quote:63ad9]... and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all theists, Christian or otherwise, derive their morality from a god or gods.

Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power.

What does that even mean? Who "gains power" when innocent people die?

Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.

Demonstrably untrue. Many radical fundamentalists, right here in the US, are conservatives who believe the entire middle east should be nuked. I'm not joking.

Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all liberals are sexually promiscuous and many have strong family values. Many are opposed to gay marriage.

Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.

Demonstrably untrue. Not all conservatives oppose gay marriage.

Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent.

Demonstrably untrue, given that not all liberals believe in god or believe themselves to be "gods". Many liberals are economic conservatives, and vice-versa.

Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.

Demonstrably untrue, given that not all conservatives believe in a creator.

In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

Both demonstrably untrue given all the points above.

In short, every single one of these points was attempting to be way, way too inclusive. Even a single counter-example is enough to disprove each and every one because of the way they are worded.[/quote:63ad9]
Thank you for your contribution in showing the plight of the liberal in this country, and the lack of understanding as outlined in the article. May the God that you do not know bless you by continuing to show you who he is no matter what it takes.
Thanks again.
Good night.

 

[Guest]

Thank you for your contribution in showing the plight of the liberal in this country, and the lack of understanding as outlined in the article. May the God that you do not know bless you by continuing to show you who he is no matter what it takes.

Get off your high horse. You posted a list of stereotypes and expect people to take them for anything other than what they are - baseless opinions with no grounding in reality? Even third graders know better than to blindly swallow things that sound as ridiculous as your stereotypes. You're not fooling anyone.

I fear for our nation when I read about people like you, who swallow down anything that's thrown at them without thinking for themselves - regardless of whether they're conservative or liberal.

You make me sad, Solo.

 

[Solo]

Thank you for your contribution in showing the plight of the liberal in this country, and the lack of understanding as outlined in the article. May the God that you do not know bless you by continuing to show you who he is no matter what it takes.

Get off your high horse. You posted a list of stereotypes and expect people to take them for anything other than what they are - baseless opinions with no grounding in reality? Even third graders know better than to blindly swallow things that sound as ridiculous as your stereotypes. You're not fooling anyone.

I fear for our nation when I read about people like you, who swallow down anything that's thrown at them without thinking for themselves - regardless of whether they're conservative or liberal.

You make me sad, Solo.

Your attacks on me are baseless and elementary, Cosmo. Please refrain from personal attacks and debate the issues of the topic at hand. You don't have to agree with them, and as the article points out, liberals will be very angry when the facts of their demeaner is displayed for all to see. You admit to being a liberal, and you have shown without a doubt, your instability in the spiritual realm. You have been thrown a lifeline by the God of this universe, so I suggest that you grab hold while you still have time. Keep in mind that this is not a non-Christian forum, and your etiquette must be within the guidlines of this forums rules and statement of faith. If you do not agree with the statement of faith, that is fine; just don't attack the Christians on this board as you have been, or you will be asked to leave. Thanks.

 

[Guest]

Your attacks on me are baseless and elementary, Cosmo.

And yours are ignorant and unoriginal.

Please refrain from personal attacks and debate the issues of the topic at hand.

I've been trying to, but you keep ignoring what I say. I posted a detailed, step-by-step rebuttal of your claims, but you simply ignored them in favor of more ad hominem attacks.

It would only be fair, then, to do to you what you have been doing to me - ignore you. I made the effort to answer your points, you simply ignored me in response. Until you decide to answer me, I shall ignore the rest of this post and your future posts - after all, it's only what you did to me.

After all, if you ignore what you don't like it'll just go away. Right? Right?

 

[Solo]

Thank you again for your substantive evidences of the intent of the article. Your contribution and manner of posting is unmeasurable in its support of the article by answering precisely as predicted.
Thanks again. :D

 

[Guest]

Thank you again for your substantive evidences of the intent of the article. Your contribution and manner of posting is unmeasurable in its support of the article by answering precisely as predicted.
Thanks again. :D

Hey, no problem. If I can act in ways that reinforce your private little world, all the more power to you.

Maybe next you'd like me to force two pregnant women to marry, then force them both to get abortions? Ooh, hey, and maybe I can repeal gun ownership rights while I'm at it!

Come on in, everyone! The party's just starting in Solo's little fantasy world!

 

[Solo]

Thank you again for your substantive evidences of the intent of the article. Your contribution and manner of posting is unmeasurable in its support of the article by answering precisely as predicted.
Thanks again. :D

Hey, no problem. If I can act in ways that reinforce your private little world, all the more power to you.

Maybe next you'd like me to force two pregnant women to marry, then force them both to get abortions? Ooh, hey, and maybe I can repeal gun ownership rights while I'm at it!

Come on in, everyone! The party's just starting in Solo's little fantasy world!

God does not condone your elementary conclusion of two pregnant women getting married to each other, so I am assuming that you are suggesting that they each marry a man, otherwise it would not exist in God's world of which I am a member.

God does not condone abortion therefore abortion is not existant in God's world of which I am a member.

Gun ownership rights are guarenteed by the constitution of this nation, and if guns are respected as intended from day one, they are ok in my world. God does not speak expressly concerning ownership of guns, but Jesus did tell his disciples to purchase swords just prior to his arrest.

You can be a member of God's kingdom also, but you will have to admit your falling short of His mark, and believe that His Son Jesus Christ died for your sins. This turning from your own godship to God almighty's Godship is necessary to be a born again member. Good luck.

 

[Guest]

Wow! Some people just wouldn't recognize a joke if it slapped them across the face. You're hilarious, Solo! :smt081 :smt081

 

[Solo]

Now if we can get back on topic, here is the original post:

In God we trust (Coulter:Conservatives by and large believe in God, Liberals believe they are Gods)
Worldnetdaily | 7/4/03 | Kevin McCullough

Liberals despise hearing it! In fact they have worked hard to have the truth of it erased from public life. But it is true nonetheless.

After spending nearly a half hour of my radio show on the topic of Joseph McCarthy and the revolutionary claims set forth in her book, Ann Coulter bowled me over when I asked her the following question: "Ann, why do liberals hate conservatives in 2003 America?"

Her answer was a simple one, and then the clock ran out and she was gone. But that simple answer stirred the pot, and it echoed what this column had proclaimed merely weeks ago.

"Conservatives, by and large believe in God, and liberals believe they are gods," came the reply.

The basic gist of the idea is easy enough to understand. But let me clean up the edges for those of you who will yell about speaking in generalities. For truth to ever be understood – generalities must be used. In the end, generalities must also be proven on some scale or a new generality will replace it.

My stunned silence at Ann's answer was reaffirmation of a conclusion I had come to a long time ago. By liberals, Ann and I are both referring to those who make up liberal ideology – the radical activists within the Democratic Party. They have been on the wrong side of history – at least American history – primarily because they have been on the wrong side of God. What Ann is just coming to realize as a constitutional attorney, I have been realizing as a theologian for some time – absolute truth is knowable, and expected to be understood and followed.

So does this argument mean that Republicans never make mistakes or are on the wrong side? No! And when they do, they are less conservative in making such judgments. I also believe that there are very many Joe and Susie farmroad Democrats in America that philosophically are more conservative than liberal.

What is perilously unfortunate is that many of these folks lend their political votes and will to radical ideologues such as the Clintons, out of ignorance or presuppositions that may be perceived but not verifiable. (Democrats care more about poor people, Democrats care more about race relations, Democrats are more fair or – my favorite – I've been a Democrat all my life and I will never be anything other than a Democrat. All of these make compelling reasons, do they not?)

But all of this being the case carries no meaning on whether the statement is any less true.

Liberal elites, Bill and Hillary Clinton, James Carville, Jesse Jackson, Terry McCaulliffe, Diane Feinstein and others are far more radical in their beliefs than they ever betray to the public – although it is nearly unavoidable, because through policy they betray their thought process. They believe that the state (similarly to socialism) is the great giver. Conservatives believe that God is.

Liberal elites believe that morality is merely a matter of opinion. Conservatives believe God established this world and therefore morality is not up for debate but has narrow and specific limits to it.

Liberals believe that taking an innocent person's life is allowable in the process of gaining power. Conservatives believe that innocent life should be protected – and that each loss of innocent life is tragic.

Liberals believe that a family is "whoever you would like to have sex with" being allowed to do so. Conservatives believe that a family is one man, one woman, a covenant before God – and raising children in the safety of that healthy home.

Liberals believe that they hold divine wisdom in how the money that everybody else earns should be spent. Conservatives believe that the Creator has given them the stewardship of how they should control their priorities on how to spend the money they have earned.

In essence, liberals believe that they are gods and should be allowed to control your actions, beliefs, money and future. Conservatives, in essence, believe that God has granted us life and that in each life He has charged us with the task of being stewards of our own choices.

I have no doubt that I will receive more hate mail from this column than any other I have ever written. Frankly I don't care. It is not up to the demagogues to instruct me on how to think. Liberals' ultimate goal is to shut down all opposing voices that counter their power-hungry rhetoric. But the truth must be told nonetheless.

You may not buy into the idea that liberals have a hard time dealing with truth. You may be of the opinion that "just seeing things different" is a sophisticated enough explanation for how liberals go about life. I beg to differ.

Hugh Hewitt documented in his recent column, "Democrats Will Get You Killed" how James Carville had a hard time even seeing the truth when hard physical evidence was laid directly before his eyes. Hillary Clinton's book has recently been debunked, not just by Ann Coulter, but by men who knew her well, such as Dick Morris and Sydney Blumenthal. And the Rev. Jesse Jackson is continuing to betray his supposed Christian beliefs by pressuring his named replacement for Operation Push, James T. Meeks, to go against his own Christian beliefs and vote in favor of homosexual license.

Liberal elites have no moral anchor and, I guess by nature, have difficulty understanding what virtue looks like.

Conservatives must wake up. Conservatives must speak up. For if they do not, their apathy will cause them to lose the very freedoms that they love so much today. And in doing so, the phrase "In God We Trust" will be nothing more than an outdated mantra of time before the world can remember.

And that friend, will be the saddest day of all.

 

[TanNinety]

I am not american so I know not much about american history so if I get this wrong bash away.

If this country was found on Christian values what happened to all the red indians that were previously here? Wasn't this land taken from them? Is that supposed to be Christian? Like I said if I am wrong in making any of the above assumptions please correct me.

 

[Solo]

I am not american so I know not much about american history so if I get this wrong bash away.

If this country was found on Christian values what happened to all the red indians that were previously here? Wasn't this land taken from them? Is that supposed to be Christian? Like I said if I am wrong in making any of the above assumptions please correct me.

Off Topic. Start a new thread.