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CRAZIES!!!

wavy

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:o :shocked!: :crazyeyes:

It's sorta funny, but how many weird, religious nut guys do you run into online, these forums included?

People scare me, they really do...

Aside from scriptural interpretation too. Not even talking about that. Just the manner in which they relay their views.

Makes my head hurt. We have guys claiming they are prophets and guys who say the Spirit comes down and tells them the truth. We have guys who claim the presence of God is with them and they tell the truth directly from God when they post...

I mean, it just gets weird sometimes. And the thing is, people with different views claim these things, so it's like, "well who's telling the truth???"

Sorry, I just made this thread to find logical, reasonable people. We may not agree theologically, but at least we're not crazies!!!

:-D
 
There are definately a few but I think God has them in the palm of His hand and has compassion on their plight and will greet them with such a welcoming when they return to Him.
 
"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men -- robbers, doers, erers -- or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."


Luke 18: 10-14
 
Greetings Wavy:

It would be nice if everyone were capable of and committed to rational, polite interactions. But this clearly does not happen all the time on this board. Two things that I find particularly frustrating:

1. When A claims "X", is then provided with a solid refutation of "X" along with some follow up questions, and then simply refuses to respond to the questions (perhaps hoping the issue will "go away"). I would like to see people be gently insistent that their questions be answered. A lot of this goes on re the whole creation / evolution debate.

2. When people resort to character assassination. Sometimes people are discussing issue X and if A does not like what B says, suddenly A transitions to "attack mode" wherein the character of B is called into question. The discussion should stay centred on matters of content, not personalities.

Having said this, we need to be sensitive to the fact that not everyone has grown up in an environment where reasonable, productive interactions take place. So we should be as understanding as possible.
 
Drew said:
Greetings Wavy:

It would be nice if everyone were capable of and committed to rational, polite interactions. But this clearly does not happen all the time on this board. Two things that I find particularly frustrating:

1. When A claims "X", is then provided with a solid refutation of "X" along with some follow up questions, and then simply refuses to respond to the questions (perhaps hoping the issue will "go away"). I would like to see people be gently insistent that their questions be answered. A lot of this goes on re the whole creation / evolution debate.

2. When people resort to character assassination. Sometimes people are discussing issue X and if A does not like what B says, suddenly A transitions to "attack mode" wherein the character of B is called into question. The discussion should stay centred on matters of content, not personalities.

Having said this, we need to be sensitive to the fact that not everyone has grown up in an environment where reasonable, productive interactions take place. So we should be as understanding as possible.
Drew I think you are absolutely right, but most people seem to think they are the ones who do it the right way when they don't.
We ((ALL)) need to look at ourselves, not just a few.
 
It's sorta funny, but how many weird, religious nut guys do you run into online, these forums included?
It's not justs the 'religious nuts' I worry about; it's the many birds that lodge themselves in our brances.

I'm assuming by "religious nut guys", you are referring to radical fundamentalists.
 
destiny said:
"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood up and prayed about himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men -- robbers, doers, erers -- or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."


Luke 18: 10-14

I can halfway heed this in correction, but this does not necessarily apply. The crazies are the ones who are always telling you how right they are and how wrong and of satan you are...
 
Drew said:
1. When A claims "X", is then provided with a solid refutation of "X" along with some follow up questions, and then simply refuses to respond to the questions (perhaps hoping the issue will "go away"). I would like to see people be gently insistent that their questions be answered. A lot of this goes on re the whole creation / evolution debate.

I know exactly what you mean. People just have a hard time (including me sometimes) saying "I don't know", or "I could be wrong".

But then again, you do have people (a.k.a. crazies) that think they have refuted you and then they gloat forever and go off topic and you can't tell them that what they said has little or nothing to do with what you were trying to say...

Drew said:
2. When people resort to character assassination. Sometimes people are discussing issue X and if A does not like what B says, suddenly A transitions to "attack mode" wherein the character of B is called into question. The discussion should stay centred on matters of content, not personalities.

I get this the most. It happens so much, I have a tendency to always be on the defense even if no one really means any harm and I'm just imagining things.

Boy, I wish I could say some names. But I don't want to point fingers. This is my way of getting it out without actually personally attacking some one...

Drew said:
Having said this, we need to be sensitive to the fact that not everyone has grown up in an environment where reasonable, productive interactions take place. So we should be as understanding as possible.

True. This does become very hard sometimes, though. And I'm sure they feel the same way sometimes too.
 
Vic said:
It's sorta funny, but how many weird, religious nut guys do you run into online, these forums included?
It's not justs the 'religious nuts' I worry about; it's the many birds that lodge themselves in our brances.

I'm assuming by "religious nut guys", you are referring to radical fundamentalists.
Yeah, I guess it is not all that clear. When I read this I was thinking of truly mentally ill people who believe they are hearing God tell them evil things to do and such.

I would have to agree that some of the overly zealous fundy "thump em' with the Bible and if they don't respond burn em' in hell" types are more then I care to deal with though.
 
The irony to me, about religious "nuts" is that religion is supposedly to take human nature and suppress or change it. It is supposed to give a human being a better nature, yet, I see most religious "nuts" as being "right-fighters"-one of the most basic traits of negative human nature. Simply, a direct contradiction to what religious people are supposed to be.

Then of course there is character assassination, "believe or burn" types, people who talk but don't say anything, refusing to admit not knowing an answer, wearing religion on sleeves, and then theres the worst....

religious recordings. These appear to be human, but are actually machines programmed to spout the same phrases again and again without telling you anything. They tell "What", but you can't ask questions like "why" or "how":

*Beep*-"Believe, everything will be fine."

*Flashes creepy smile*-"You'll just know when the Holy Spirit talks to you."

*Whirh*, *Spouts off dogma, doctrines, and theologys...then makes sure you agree with them about it*
 
Drew said:
Greetings Wavy:

It would be nice if everyone were capable of and committed to rational, polite interactions. But this clearly does not happen all the time on this board. Two things that I find particularly frustrating:

1. When A claims "X", is then provided with a solid refutation of "X" along with some follow up questions, and then simply refuses to respond to the questions (perhaps hoping the issue will "go away"). I would like to see people be gently insistent that their questions be answered. A lot of this goes on re the whole creation / evolution debate.

2. When people resort to character assassination. Sometimes people are discussing issue X and if A does not like what B says, suddenly A transitions to "attack mode" wherein the character of B is called into question?
Having said this, we need to be sensitive to the fact that not everyone has grown up in an environment where reasonable, productive interactions take place. So we should be as understanding as possible.

That's very insightful, Drew. I noticed the same thing. I tend to believe certain "controversial" interpretations of the Bible, esp regarding Israel and end-times. Some of the forum people I talked with sounded like they want to deck me out or curse me. Grant it, I get tough back and as long as I am otherwise civil and don't resort to malicious, direct name-calling, I see nothing wrong with being a bit defensive. One has to defend what they feel is the faith. The discussion should stay centered on matters of content, not personalities. To call one's character into question is a very subjective, grasping-at-straws type of rebuttal.


However, you brought up an excellent point. Why is it that if one wants to "disprove" another's point, they have to call their character into question. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?

If one wants to add character question, I have a real good one--- I'm drinking a few rum and cokes right now, I listen to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and look at pics of Jayne Mansfield all at the same time I post. There--- now someone can assassinate me. But my meager existance and what I say has no bearing on truth. Truth will stand up to itself whether or not a foolish person as myself says it, or one who lives a "righteous" life (But Jayne Mansfield is kinda cute--- and she did not belong to the Church of Satan, you fundies :-D )
 
... If one wants to add character question, I have a real good one--- I'm drinking a few rum and cokes right now, I listen to Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and look at pics of Jayne Mansfield all at the same time I post....
Pay close attention the the lyrics in "Us and Them". :wink:
 
Featherbop said:
The irony to me, about religious "nuts" is that religion is supposedly to take human nature and suppress or change it. It is supposed to give a human being a better nature, yet, I see most religious "nuts" as being "right-fighters"-one of the most basic traits of negative human nature. Simply, a direct contradiction to what religious people are supposed to be.

Then of course there is character assassination, "believe or burn" types, people who talk but don't say anything, refusing to admit not knowing an answer, wearing religion on sleeves, and then theres the worst....

religious recordings. These appear to be human, but are actually machines programmed to spout the same phrases again and again without telling you anything. They tell "What", but you can't ask questions like "why" or "how":

*Beep*-"Believe, everything will be fine."

*Flashes creepy smile*-"You'll just know when the Holy Spirit talks to you."

*Whirh*, *Spouts off dogma, doctrines, and theologys...then makes sure you agree with them about it*
Then there are those who love pats on the back and praises from men, so they go around as the (self) 'righteous patrol', pointing their finger at those they see as not 'loving' enough and calling them out, all the while proving by their own rotten attitude toward those they disagree with, that they preach things they themselves haven't come close to mastering.
 
wavy said:
:o :shocked!: :crazyeyes:

It's sorta funny, but how many weird, religious nut guys do you run into online, these forums included?
And what's so "funny" about that? Let me ask you, is it better to have zeal for what you believe in, or is it better to be 'luke warm' in your belief?

wavy said:
:People scare me, they really do...
And that's really sad. Instead of being afraid, why not try compassion? You just might find out we have more in comman than you think.

wavy said:
Aside from scriptural interpretation too. Not even talking about that. Just the manner in which they relay their views.
So, are you saying that if somebody doesn't view scripture the way you do, then they're crazy? Or, are you saying that because they're nuts, they're interpretations are off base. How then, do you plan on assisting them in the 'right' interpretation or will you simply leave 'them' in the mire. Gee, this sounds like a pretty good place to open up and seek for the truth...heaven forbid I'm wrong, I'll be called nuts if I'm wrong... now my pride is in the way.. I'm right, I'm right I'm right... I'm not a nut, I'm not a nut, I'm not a nut...therefore, I have to be right! Do you see the cycle?
I'm not saying that this is the case every time, but if you take three steps back, it becomes pretty clear.

wavy said:
Makes my head hurt. We have guys claiming they are prophets and guys who say the Spirit comes down and tells them the truth. We have guys who claim the presence of God is with them and they tell the truth directly from God when they post...
And do you know how to discern this? To seperate and rightly divide the truth?

wavy said:
I mean, it just gets weird sometimes. And the thing is, people with different views claim these things, so it's like, "well who's telling the truth???"?
Again, it comes down to discernment and the only way to gain this, is to spend time in God's word. However, this is only on aspect. The other side is to spend time 'with' God in prayer for it does little to know of him, yet miss him in the logical process.

wavy said:
Sorry, I just made this thread to find logical, reasonable people. We may not agree theologically, but at least we're not crazies!!!
I'm sure the 'crazies' are looking at you pretty funny about now too :wink:

ya know, I've got to chuckle to myself just a tad... Yes, there are some pretty uniquie people in this world and ya know what? I'm a part of this world just like you and everyone else. I'm sure that a few people have thought that I'm kinda crazy and to tell you the truth, I've thought of some pretty crazy things. (recognizing that they were crazy as a hind sight) he he.

Anyway, I think in the end it won't be about your theology, but rather ones motive and the actions derived thereforth and you know what? You may just be surprised at some of the 'crazies' you'll find in heaven.
 
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