[_ Old Earth _] Creation Powered School?

[Jayls5]

so you condone teaching kids proven false items in an educational center ?

Yes, as long as it's in a religion class where it belongs. : You are talking about intelligent design right?



Evolution isn't proven false. It's a well supported theory from multiple branches of science.

 

[John]

It can be supported to every one on earth, it does not mean its true, its like the pro abortionists, they support it, but like it or not its murder.

i have yet to see one piece of uncontroversial evidence that proves the evolution theory as a whole.

 

[Jayls5]

It can be supported to every one on earth, it does not mean its true, its like the pro abortionists, they support it, but like it or not its murder.

i have yet to see one piece of uncontroversial evidence that proves the evolution theory as a whole.

Nice work changing the use of the word 'support' to only mean opinion. The support I was referring to involved evidence. What a ridiculous comparison to bring abortion into this, and even more hilarious that you call them "pro abortionists." You can tell someone's stance on an issue by the catch phrase they use for the other side, all while oversimplifying the issue. You're "anti choice" :

It's hard to have uncontroversial evidence when it's "controversial" by default when it supports evolution. The controversy stems from religious vigor and not scientific interest.

 

[Deep Thought]

Tell me, if evolution was so necessary and true, why are schools here so easy to remove it ?

Because the school boards are stacked with ignorant creationists.

BTW my teacher is an evolutionists, he says "i am not mad, evolution is unproved, and until it is i see no reason why my students should have the need to learn it"

Then your teacher has an extremely poor understanding of science and shouldn't be teaching.

 

[John]

Your opinion. which i must say is worthless.

 

[freeway]

The book, is great it talks about Bio without the oopsie of evolution, it talks about only proven things.

You don't need to know evolution to study Bio in school.

so very very true... if you don't want to teach creation, ID, then don't teach evolution.. simple,

 

[Jayls5]

The book, is great it talks about Bio without the oopsie of evolution, it talks about only proven things.

You don't need to know evolution to study Bio in school.

so very very true... if you don't want to teach creation, ID, then don't teach evolution.. simple,

Brilliant logic. If you don't want to teach a crappy unscientific theory, then don't teach a scientific and generally supported theory!

 

[Deep Thought]

so very very true... if you don't want to teach creation, ID, then don't teach evolution.. simple,

In that case, geography should be removed because I don't want Flat Earthism taught.

 

[freeway]

Brilliant logic. If you don't want to teach a crappy unscientific theory, then don't teach a scientific and generally supported theory!

[/quote]

are you kidding me.. in your blind prejudice against christianity, you say creation is a theory, then you turn around and call evolution a "generally supported theory" you don't even believe your own theory.

as for me... 100% I believe "God created the heavens and the earth

 

[Ignatz]

are you kidding me.. in your blind prejudice against christianity, you say creation is a theory, then you turn around and call evolution a "generally supported theory" you don't even believe your own theory.

as for me... 100% I believe "God created the heavens and the earth

Why is it so hard for people to understand that creationism and ID are not science? It doesn't matter what you BELIEVE, the fact is that ToE has mountains of evidence, and therefore should be taught in a science class. Creationism and ID have no evidence, they are matters of faith. They are not even theory's. They contain no hypotheses, They make no predictions, they are not measurable, they are not falsifiable, they are not science. They're just not. If they are taught at all, it should be in a philosophy course.

ToE makes claims that can be investigated by anybody with an inclination. If you really believe that the earth is 6,000 years old, your 1st task would be to go out and search for evidence to that effect. Don't forget that once upon a time, people believed that the earth was young. It was only when the growing mountain of evidence became so large that it was deemed irresponsible and ignorant to ignore it any further that it became widely taught. By your definition, no crime could ever be solved, because nobody was there to witness it. Forget about the trail of EVIDENCE that leads to the killer, you didn't SEE him do it, therefore he couldn't have done it, right?

 

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[Jayls5]

are you kidding me.. in your blind prejudice against christianity, you say creation is a theory, then you turn around and call evolution a "generally supported theory" you don't even believe your own theory.

as for me... 100% I believe "God created the heavens and the earth

Creation is a theory. In the dictionary as a general term, it is a theory. Usually, when I discuss it, I try to make it clear that it is not a scientific theory.

I do generally believe in a notion of evolution in which we will clarify the exact mechanisms of in due time. Even if we don't do it in my lifetime, the current theories of evolution make better practical predictions than any competing (nonscientific) theory such as ID.

 

[Ignatz]

Your opinion. which i must say is worthless.

So, we're calling peoples opinions worthless now, huh johnmuise?

You are a liar.

You have no idea what the ToE even says, I cannot believe that you have read a single book on the issue. You couldn't possibly know enough to even have an opinion of it. You simply believe what other ignorant adults have told you about the ToE, and have in turn passed these lies to others.

I'll ask my simple question again, I'll even make it easier by asking you to explain just one feature of ToE instead of 2. If you cannot answer this, you haven't even the slightest grasp of ToE, and your opinion on the matter is worthless. :

"What is the role of natural selection in ToE ?"

Now, pay attention carefully, I am not asking you to cut-and-paste a DEFINITION of natural selection. Explain what natural selection does in the ToE. This can be summed up in a few sentences.

 

[Ignatz]

so very very true... if you don't want to teach creation, ID, then don't teach evolution.. simple,

Evolution is taught in a science classroom because it is falsifiable, it follows the scientific method, and there are mountains of evidence supporting it.

ID is NOT falsifiable, it does NOT follow the scientific method, and there is no verifiable evidence supporting it. Therefore, ID is not science and should not be taught in a science class

You REALLY want ID taught in school? You want your kids to be taught that Aliens seeded this planet with bacteria eons ago, providing for the diversity we see? after all, thats one path ID can take. How about that the great Ju-Ju under the sea awoke and pushed all the continents up out of the oceans in the beginning?

I find it ironic that creationists claim that ID isn't creationism in disguise, yet they flip out if ID is shown to be completely void and ready to be filled with ANY crack-pot imaginary creative force one wishes. No evidence necessary.

If, one day, ID has shown itself able to withstand the years of scrutiny and revision and peer-review that every other scientific theory has gone through, I'd be happy to see it taught in science class.
But so far, ID supporters have done NOTHING to advance their cause, save for whining and crying "No fair!" when they are asked to jump through all of the same hoops that all scientific theories must jump, instead using lies and litigation to get their unfounded beliefs taught as fact.