[_ Old Earth _] Creation Predictions.

[John]

1. Based on the bible teaching the universe will show evidence of order and intelligent design all over the place.

2. There will be thousands of symbiotic relationships in nature (animals that require certain plants and plants that require certain animals) this works just fine because they were created within a few days of each other.

3. There will be limits to the variations life forms are able to produce, the bible says they will bring forth after their own kind and thats what we have observed, 0f 6000 years of human history shows us dogs produce dogs..every time..it might be a big dog or a little dog, it might have curly hair or straight hair but its going to be a dog guaranteed.

Farmers actually count on this, i mean when they plant corn they expect to get corn and so far it has happened.

So certainly there are variations but their is definite limits to the variations, this is the biggest problem between the creationist and the evolutionist.

4. i predict there are not only limits to the variations but there is a purpose to life because we were designed by a creator for a purpose.

5. i predict there will be non material things like love, a sense of justice, mercy inate knowlage of right and wrong, conscience and absolute truth. these things are not possible with the evolution theory, they are predicted based on the creation theory, somebody designed this for a reason.

6. i predict there will be a way to find the will of the creator such as messengers speaking for him and maybe even a book telling us how he created us and why.

7 i predict there will be an afterlife where we face the creator to give an accounting.

8. i predict we will find lots of legends about a golden age and creation event.

9. i predict there will be skeletons found of people showing signs of great age.

10. i predict there will be biological problems with modern man such as wisdom teeth.

11. i predict that there will be a universal longing for things to be restored to the garden of Edan conditions.

12. i predict based on bible teaching ion the flood that there will be millions of fossils including coal and oil found in layers of sedimentary rock.

13. i predict there will be huge canyons and deltas showing signs of rapid erosion.

!4. i predict there will be legends of this world wide flood found in cultures all over the earth.

15. i predict there will be petrifies trees in the upright position extending though the many layers of strata, these have been found by the thousands.


these are about 15 of 40 that i can think of.

 

[Ignatz]

1. Based on the bible teaching the universe will show evidence of order and intelligent design all over the place.

There is evidence of adaptation to a particular niche. Even a snowflake is a beautifully complex "design", but if you get a drop of water cold enough, it will form all by itself.

2. There will be thousands of symbiotic relationships in nature (animals that require certain plants and plants that require certain animals) this works just fine because they were created within a few days of each other.

Rather, they evolved alongside each other to mutual benefit and increased survivability. ie, the animal eats the fruit and has food/shelter, and the tree gets its seeds spread around and its parasites taken care of. Or the bee gets food from the flower and the flower gets its pollen spread. This increases the fitness of both over time, and directs their evolution.

3. There will be limits to the variations life forms are able to produce, the bible says they will bring forth after their own kind and thats what we have observed, 0f 6000 years of human history shows us dogs produce dogs..every time..it might be a big dog or a little dog, it might have curly hair or straight hair but its going to be a dog guaranteed.

Yes, offspring will resemble the parent with little phenotypic variation, but small differences may be present between parent-offspring, differences that make them more or less likely to survive than others in the group, building-up in successive generations if the changes are beneficial, until speciation eventually occurs.

Farmers actually count on this, i mean when they plant corn they expect to get corn and so far it has happened.

True, They (or horticulturists) will also cross different strains to get healthier, stronger, disease-resistant varieties. taking on the role of natural selection in nature.

So certainly there are variations but their is definite limits to the variations, this is the biggest problem between the creationist and the evolutionist.

The biggest difference between creationists and evolutionists is that evolutionists let the evidence lead them to their conclusions and creationists start with a conclusion and try to make the evidence fit their dogma.

4. i predict there are not only limits to the variations but there is a purpose to life because we were designed by a creator for a purpose.

What purpose? what is the "purpose" of a rose? what does a baboon troop or a swarm of bees "mean"? What does that have to do with supposed "limits to the variations"?

5. i predict there will be non material things like love, a sense of justice, mercy inate knowlage of right and wrong, conscience and absolute truth. these things are not possible with the evolution theory, they are predicted based on the creation theory, somebody designed this for a reason.

I predict the same things evolving in all intelligent social animals. If such a social species is to survive at all, it would by necessity have these features. evolution would favor the species that could "get along" and decide how to share resources and provide for itself and not destroy itself.

6. i predict there will be a way to find the will of the creator such as messengers speaking for him and maybe even a book telling us how he created us and why.

All cultures have wise-men and books like that, it doesn't prove that a particular one is "correct".

7 i predict there will be an afterlife where we face the creator to give an accounting.

I guess we'll see

8. i predict we will find lots of legends about a golden age and creation event.

There are tons of such tales dating before christianity. It's a hallmark of our species to glorify the deep past and regard it with mystical awe, and though inaccurate on some matters, people did the best they could to explain things with the knowledge they had at the time.

9. i predict there will be skeletons found of people showing signs of great age.

Like cavemen? well, yes, their fossils are OLD.

10. i predict there will be biological problems with modern man such as wisdom teeth.

How do wisdom teeth (or appendix) provide evidence for the existence of an all-knowing, perfect creator?

11. i predict that there will be a universal longing for things to be restored to the garden of Edan conditions.

Of course, who wouldn't love it if everything were returned to a perfect, state with no death or disease or toil. Myths consistently reveal our deepest hopes and fears. so do religions.

12. i predict based on bible teaching ion the flood that there will be millions of fossils including coal and oil found in layers of sedimentary rock.

Those fossils and that oil is much older than biblical flood accounts. Do you need a flood to get oil? If the flood was world-wide, we would see more fossils in more areas than we do.

13. i predict there will be huge canyons and deltas showing signs of rapid erosion.

Some are deltas relatively rapid, others are very, very old.

!4. i predict there will be legends of this world wide flood found in cultures all over the earth.

There were floods in different areas of the planet, but no evidence that one flood covered the entire planet.

15. i predict there will be petrifies trees in the upright position extending though the many layers of strata, these have been found by the thousands.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the point you are trying to make. Yes, there are some in the pacific north-west, or yellowstone, for example, which was (and still is) geologically active. Cover those trees with soot, repeatedly, and the tree will petrify where it stands, just like the people of pompeii!

these are about 15 of 40 that i can think of.

 

[jwu]

Which ones of these - if found to be false - would falsify creationism?

 

[John]

Which ones of these - if found to be false - would falsify creationism?

none, it would mearly be a toothpick in the gears of creation rather then the wrench in the gears of evolution.

 

[jwu]

Which ones of these - if found to be false - would falsify creationism?

none, it would mearly be a toothpick in the gears of creation rather then the wrench in the gears of evolution.

Is this an admission that creationism is unfalsifiable?