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Creation Questions...

Edward

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You know, sometimes it comes up in other threads, about being able to create new forms of life and who/what can do this. It has been said that Satan could not do this, that only God has the power to create a new life or species.

I question this and would like to discuss it specifically. I'm ultimately undecided, but find myself leaning towards, God is not the only ultimate power which can do this. This subject usually comes up in Nephilim threads, and is used as a counter to the Angel view. But...don't we have some evidence here on earth that even man has done such things? Many (most?) dog species or types are genetically engineered. Did God say let there be German Shepards? No, it was the Germans which brought about German Shepards. Cross breeding is no big feat for the learned. There were absolutely not "Ligers" in the distant past.

Do you know what a Liger is? A cross between a Lion and a Tiger. I watched a video about one they have recently. They had trouble with it. It was only possible one way (I forget which). I think it had to be a male lion and a female tiger. This new beast, the Liger, is about 900 pounds and eats about 100 pounds of meat per day. whereas normal lions and tigers eat about 25 pounds per day (IIRC).

I've also heard the speculation that God created the herbivorous dinosaurs only, and the carnivorous dinosaurs came about from somewhere else, like T-Rex's. This sort of makes sense to me, but who knows for sure. There are descriptions in the bible about dinosaurs, and fossilized evidence of man's footprints beside and inside dinosaur prints, and even archaeological evidence (pictographs and so forth) of dinosaurs, notably, the herbivores (vegetarians).

What say ye?
 
Crossbreeding isn't creating new life. The life already exists, man is just altering it. God made something perfect and man decided he could make it better.
 
That seems like a lie from Satan that man could create any other kind of life.
 
Crossbreeding isn't creating new life. The life already exists, man is just altering it. God made something perfect and man decided he could make it better.

So cross breeding is not new life, but an alteration. I had that thought also. Something to consider.

That seems like a lie from Satan that man could create any other kind of life.

It does sort've. but then again..but then again, how much do we really know? I do not think that man could gather up dust from the ground and create life as God did for sure. (Unless he could make his own dust perhaps also! lol) :)

Keep 'em coming!
 
So cross breeding is not new life, but an alteration. I had that thought also. Something to consider.



It does sort've. but then again..but then again, how much do we really know? I do not think that man could gather up dust from the ground and create life as God did for sure. (Unless he could make his own dust perhaps also! lol) :)

Keep 'em coming!
Well,we do know that the Bible tells us that God has created all life.
 
Well,we do know that the Bible tells us that God has created all life.

true that sister, but...has, um, alterations taken place since then? Consider the dinosaurs for instance...it does make sense that God would not create vicious T-Rex's for us to contend with, but herbivores for their purpose. Then later on, a little cross breeding perhaps (from the fallen ones?) and bam, vicious meat eaters. Yes/no? Stupid? Possible? Perhaps I think.

We do have T-Rex skeletons. they were here. What possible purpose? An answer to this escapes me.
 
true that sister, but...has, um, alterations taken place since then? Consider the dinosaurs for instance...it does make sense that God would not create vicious T-Rex's for us to contend with, but herbivores for their purpose. Then later on, a little cross breeding perhaps (from the fallen ones?) and bam, vicious meat eaters. Yes/no? Stupid? Possible? Perhaps I think.

We do have T-Rex skeletons. they were here. What possible purpose? An answer to this escapes me.

Why don't you believe there were meat eaters in the beginning?
.
 
Why don't you believe there were meat eaters in the beginning?
.

I'm not sure brother, just a feeling I have. Nothing scriptural or concrete.
 
Yes,I do not think there is a problem with dinosaurs that were meat eaters in the beginning :confused
what does genesis one say about that. remember we could eat meat too then. besides t rex is believe to be an omnivore,like us
 
true that sister, but...has, um, alterations taken place since then? Consider the dinosaurs for instance...it does make sense that God would not create vicious T-Rex's for us to contend with, but herbivores for their purpose. Then later on, a little cross breeding perhaps (from the fallen ones?) and bam, vicious meat eaters. Yes/no? Stupid? Possible? Perhaps I think.

We do have T-Rex skeletons. they were here. What possible purpose? An answer to this escapes me.

Oil. At least the break down of organic materials is still the most believed theory about where oil came from just like coal. Coal, natural gas?

Oh yeah, called fossil fuels.
 
Oil. At least the break down of organic materials is still the most believed theory about where oil came from just like coal. Coal, natural gas?

Oh yeah, called fossil fuels.
natural gas sits on top of the oil sights and so does gasoline both have to be refined to be used,save natural gas. ch4 is usable , garbage dumps leach that.
 
Oil. At least the break down of organic materials is still the most believed theory about where oil came from just like coal. Coal, natural gas?

Oh yeah, called fossil fuels.

mmmmmmmm, I dunno. Do you think that was their purpose? Like in, we were supposed to be making fossil fuels and powering the planet with it and so forth, or do you think that they could have been to help keep the ecological balance somehow?

Brothers and sisters, please keep in mind that I do not know any of this, and have no hard core beliefs about it. I'm curious is all. I *think* that we oe fallen Angels and the like, do have the capability of making new species through cross breeding, that seems fairly well established it seems to me.
 
mmmmmmmm, I dunno. Do you think that was their purpose? Like in, we were supposed to be making fossil fuels and powering the planet with it and so forth, or do you think that they could have been to help keep the ecological balance somehow?

Brothers and sisters, please keep in mind that I do not know any of this, and have no hard core beliefs about it. I'm curious is all. I *think* that we oe fallen Angels and the like, do have the capability of making new species through cross breeding, that seems fairly well established it seems to me.

Well the Bible doesn't say, so your guess is as good as mine. :)
 
Well the Bible doesn't say, so your guess is as good as mine. :)

I hear you sister. So if cross breeding aka hybridizations are possible ( and we know they are)...then what would stop the fallen Angels from doing this also? Not trying to turn this into another Nephilim thread, but the cross breeding is pretty well established so why not. (Just a spur of the moment question that popped into my head)..

:confused :thinking:shrug
 
I hear you sister. So if cross breeding aka hybridizations are possible ( and we know they are)...then what would stop the fallen Angels from doing this also? Not trying to turn this into another Nephilim thread, but the cross breeding is pretty well established so why not. (Just a spur of the moment question that popped into my head)..

:confused :thinking:shrug

For what purpose?
.
 
I hear you sister. So if cross breeding aka hybridizations are possible ( and we know they are)...then what would stop the fallen Angels from doing this also? Not trying to turn this into another Nephilim thread, but the cross breeding is pretty well established so why not. (Just a spur of the moment question that popped into my head)..

:confused :thinking:shrug

Not going there....:wink
 
You know, sometimes it comes up in other threads, about being able to create new forms of life and who/what can do this. It has been said that Satan could not do this, that only God has the power to create a new life or species.

I question this and would like to discuss it specifically. I'm ultimately undecided, but find myself leaning towards, God is not the only ultimate power which can do this. This subject usually comes up in Nephilim threads, and is used as a counter to the Angel view. But...don't we have some evidence here on earth that even man has done such things? Many (most?) dog species or types are genetically engineered. Did God say let there be German Shepards? No, it was the Germans which brought about German Shepards. Cross breeding is no big feat for the learned. There were absolutely not "Ligers" in the distant past.

Do you know what a Liger is? A cross between a Lion and a Tiger. I watched a video about one they have recently. They had trouble with it. It was only possible one way (I forget which). I think it had to be a male lion and a female tiger. This new beast, the Liger, is about 900 pounds and eats about 100 pounds of meat per day. whereas normal lions and tigers eat about 25 pounds per day (IIRC).

I've also heard the speculation that God created the herbivorous dinosaurs only, and the carnivorous dinosaurs came about from somewhere else, like T-Rex's. This sort of makes sense to me, but who knows for sure. There are descriptions in the bible about dinosaurs, and fossilized evidence of man's footprints beside and inside dinosaur prints, and even archaeological evidence (pictographs and so forth) of dinosaurs, notably, the herbivores (vegetarians).

What say ye?
Brother Edward, this has all the pitfalls in my opinion of the scientists coming to God claiming they can create life just as God did. Really? Yeah, we’ll just take some dirt . . . Hold on there; you’ve got to make your own dirt first.

This story has been around and I’m probably telling it wrong, but it expresses my thinking on new dog breeds being considered creation. :)
 
What about the sheep cloning? Pretty weird. Also I have heard that the Liger could not survive in the wild for very long because their bone and muscle structure is not supposed to be that way. They are to long and lanky which makes them slow to hunt.
 
What about the sheep cloning? Pretty weird. Also I have heard that the Liger could not survive in the wild for very long because their bone and muscle structure is not supposed to be that way. They are to long and lanky which makes them slow to hunt.
the sheep cloned didn't live long. and well what is stem cells? they are cloned and then forced to become what cell is need and returned to the donor for the repair.
 
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