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Creflo Dollar needs money for a ministry plane

Kathi said:
If his motivation is truly about spreading the gospel as he claims, why not raise that $65 million to fund indigenous missionaries in those countries who are already there so that he doesn't have wear out a plane travelling around the world and he could spend more time ministering to his own people???
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I want your facts first.

Cost of suits that cost more than your car.

Creflo ever saying to sow rent money and a person can be healed that way.
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Correction on the upcoming Mayfield fight............ 100 million split between fighters.
I read a old figured.

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I take judgement against other believers very serious, even if I don't agree with what they preach.
 
Kathi said:
Creflo Dollar is filthy rich. He is worth millions. He wears suits that worth more than my car. But he would rather con some poor gullible souls into believing that if they would just "seed" their rent money, or money they need for utilities or prescriptions into his bloated coffers that God will send them a healing or a check in the mail.
I wish that for once, the people watching and drinking in his teachings would stop and ask why their path to health and wealth always seems to start by making Creflo Dollar rich first.
If Creflo Dollar needs money for a plane, why doesn't he just plant seeds into others lives like he teaches? Why ask everyone for money? Why not plant financial seeds and sit back and wait for God to send him that plane??? Funny how when they need money, they don't seem to follow their own teachings.
The whole prosperity doctrine is a huge Ponzi scheme.
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THAT IS IT, all others lose out. You NAILED it, Kathi - THIS is PIZZA'S POST OF THE DAY!!!!
 
Gary said:
Here's some more facts.


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Seems fine to me. If seed is not sown, there is no harvest. Give and it shall be given, God multiplies your seed sown.

I don't understand what is wrong with giving to God. Is it the way Creflo presented it?

Even the Word of God is seed that is sown (Mark 4)

I see nothing wrong with this. I did not hear Creflo say give the money to him, or if you sow to him then you get blessed.
 
Brother Mike said:
I want your facts first.

Cost of suits that cost more than your car.

Creflo ever saying to sow rent money and a person can be healed that way.
edited reba

Correction on the upcoming Mayfield fight............ 100 million split between fighters.
I read a old figured.

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I take judgement against other believers very serious, even if I don't agree with what they preach.
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Do you have doubts as to Dollars wealth?Do you follow Creflo Dollars Ministry?If you do that saddens me because you are deceived.
 
reba said:
Then dont judge here.
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I only called out those who made accusations they can't back up. I am against taking someone who is a public figure, and slandering them in a public forum.

Even Benny Hinn.

This forum is seen by many, many visit every day that don't even register, and being allowed to put down someone in Someones forum can not only bring legal action if the statements have no proof, but it makes the owner of the site here look bad.

I think it good enough to just post "Why I hate ministers with Jet airplanes"

or "Why the prosperity gospel is false"

There are some here that like Creflo, so you also alienate other members and it just turns out into a big fight that does not need to be made public to all the passing visitors.

Just Saying Reba.
 
Brother Mike said:
Some facts:

Creflo's ministery brings in about 70 million a year total cash.
Creflo is worth 27 million, total assents.
Over 15% of what comes in goes out to feed people, shelters, churches.
Creflo only keeps a percent of all that comes in as salary.
Creflo has been fully audited for any Wrongful activity and has passed with no issues.

Sowing into a new jet to get the Word preached is a good thing.

Mayweather's upcomming fight will pay him a promised 32 million dollars. One fight will make the man worth more than Creflo who has spent years building up the Word for God.

Nothing wrong with that, but priorities in this thread are way off.
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I don't know where you got your info. from but mine says he stopped receiving any compensation from the ministry a few years ago. He became independently wealthy while receiving compensation from the ministry.
What one sees that goes out of the ministry has nothing to do with Dollars personal wealth. Frankly, it's none of our business how he spends his own money, not in how much he pays for suits or anything else.

Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland did not turn over anything extra in that investigation lead by Grassley. Out of the five only Joyce Myer and Bennie Henn gave full disclosure. They voluntarily allowed an auditor to come in and go there everything. Dollar and Copeland did not and by law they don't have to unless there is a court order.
 
Kathi said:
Do you have doubts as to Dollars wealth?Do you follow Creflo Dollars Ministry?If you do that saddens me because you are deceived.
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I posted his net worth. He is not that wealthy. The SDA church brings in over 3 billion a year. They also force tithing.

I am not against Pastors having any form of money or ability to get the Word of God out.

Creflo is on a alloted salary set by the board. He is only entitled to a very small portion that comes in. He also runs his own business that are not ministery related, and how he makes most his personal money.
 
Deborah13 said:
I don't know where you got your info. from but mine says he stopped receiving any compensation from the ministry a few years ago. He became independently wealthy while receiving compensation from the ministry.
What one sees that goes out of the ministry has nothing to do with Dollars personal wealth. Frankly, it's none of our business how he spends his own money, not in how much he pays for suits or anything else.

Creflo Dollar and Kenneth Copeland did not turn over anything extra in that investigation lead by Grassley. Out of the five only Joyce Myer and Bennie Henn gave full disclosure. They voluntarily allowed an auditor to come in and go there everything. Dollar and Copeland did not and by law they don't have to unless there is a court order.
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All I had was the 2007 figures. He has his own business that are not tied to his ministery. I did not no he no longer took money from the ministery.

Despite what Grassley found out about Brother Copeland, the State of Texas had him in court for months trying to figure if he owed them money.

I believe there are new pending court cases against Copeland as he talked about them at our church 2 weeks ago.
 
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kiwidan said:
15% goes in the church and to others?. The other 75% private Jets and luxury items?

Jesus and the Apostles feed people for free. The bread of Life. It did not cost them 15% income to feed and shelter people and put back into there Church. if i am correct the very first church sold everything they had and divided evenly to all who needed what in there group.
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I guess according to Deborah, Creflo no longer takes any money from his Church. So those figures are wrong. The board of the Church decides where money goes. I am not sure He is still getting that new plane after reading more about it.
 
Gary said:
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He needs to read how Jacob made a covenant with God. IF You bless me and bring me back to my father's house, I will give you a tenth of my increase. Twenty years later.........he returns and builds an altar.....I expect that Jacob kept his part of the covenant as he promised but the Bible doesn't mention it.
God always blesses first or no one would have anything to give.
 
4afaithfulone said:
Humm... let me see...... You believe, The man of God whom devotes his life to the work of the LORD to Save Your Soul should purchase his ticket from a secular airlines, and ride in the back of THEIR plane, whom more than likely are Unbelieving sinners who do not even acknowledge God's existence, let alone spend any time on saving souls.
And you say an ambassador(minister) for Christ (Son of Almighty Creator of the Universe),whom has grown up in the Word in devotion and integrity, should be waiting in long lines to take the gospel into all the world, behind those going on trips for their own agendas? Unbelievable!
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did JESUS require separate transportation? if he can spend his own money so be it . would i donate to his cause ? nope
 
Deborah13 said:
He needs to read how Jacob made a covenant with God. IF You bless me and bring me back to my father's house, I will give you a tenth of my increase. Twenty years later.........he returns and builds an altar.....I expect that Jacob kept his part of the covenant as he promised but the Bible doesn't mention it.
God always blesses first or no one would have anything to give.
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God gives seed to the Sower. He multiplies our seed sown and I have some amazing testimonies about giving and God moving in awesome ways.

Our first night here in Branson 2006 we pulled into town, got a hotel and had 160.00 to our name.

We needed that for food, and hotel bill. Wife had gotten a job at the Olive Garden and it started that next week. We might squeek by.

Our first Service Brother Moore was taking money for a boat for the south pacific to preach the Word.

First time in a big Church (Not that big now) and I was seeing an oppertunity to sow into a boat. I was excited, but I could not spend any of our 160.00 as we needed to eat.

Just as the bucket was being passed around the Lord speaks to me. He said sow all that money for the boat.

I look at the wife to see if she heard the Lord and she ask me.. God say anything about giving all our money for the boat?

So I took the hotel, food and gas money and put it all in the bucket.

The next morning the hotel bill was due, and I was just thanking God for multiplying my seed quickly and meeting our needs. It was 9am Hotel bill due at 11am.

I had boat seed, so I was not worried, but praised God to keep my mind off it.

at 10am We get a call from a women we knew in Champaing Il. She said God kept her up all night and she was suppose to send money. She wired 200.00 to walmart for us and we paid the hotel bill and got to eat!!!

That next week, somene stopped my wife and gave her 300.00.

Just recently I lost my job, and we needed to make our car payment. I told God I am a sower and faithful tither. God, You never let me down, one time.

The bank wanted the car by that next week, but that same week the bank sends a letter of thanks and our title..............

Someone, or God we don't know who paid off our car!!!!!!! We never told anyone we owed on it but God.

Came to late to tell me that sowing and tithing don't work. God has paid our rent up, somehow all our internet bill was paid and we don't know who caught up the power bill. We don't tell people things.

One thing we have always been though. Faithful with tithing and giving. We have always put God first. When we needed God, He put us first and took care of everything.
 
Brother Mike said:
All I had was the 2007 figures. He has his own business that are not tied to his ministery. I did not no he no longer took money from the ministery.

Despite what Grassley found out about Brother Copeland, the State of Texas had him in court for months trying to figure if he owed them money.

I believe there are new pending court cases against Copeland as he talked about them at our church 2 weeks ago.
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If my memory is correct,
This was over property taxes on the Copeland's jet and about the TV studio in Fort Worth. The state or local felt the both should be taxed but the IRS says the both are tax-exempt because they belong to a non-profit and are used by the non-profit.
It's the exact opposite deal of the one in Florida we talked about yesterday.
 
4afaithfulone said:
Humm... let me see...... You believe, The man of God whom devotes his life to the work of the LORD to Save Your Soul should purchase his ticket from a secular airlines, and ride in the back of THEIR plane, whom more than likely are Unbelieving sinners who do not even acknowledge God's existence, let alone spend any time on saving souls.
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I would really respect the pastor who traveled in his 1978 used automobile and lived in his humble two room house but truly had a love for the Lord in his heart not his pocketbook.I am sure he would be Blessed by God.
 
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