Crime Under Biblical Rule In The USA, My Thoughts

[Lewis]

A Christian run country, by men of God is the answer to many problems. And yes men are not perfect and stuff will still happen under Christian rule. But a council of men of God, using the Bible to govern the nation will work. Let me tell you a secret, the Basic Laws Of this Land Come From The Bible. The Bible has not changed, but man has deviated off into another direction, in this country. If we dealt with men who does crime the way that the Bible tells you to deal with them, crime would be much lower. And instead of warehousing them for years on end, deal with them quick, find out if they really did the crime and deal with them right then and there, and their hearts will not be set to do it again. The old whipping post works great, execution works great, but make sure they did the crime, and do it quick Ecclesiastes says.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 (King James Version)
11Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Make sure they did the crime, and give them 40 laches out in the public. If a man rapes and kills a old lady, let the people stone his tale, and people will see and hear and fear, just like the Bible says, and crime will drop to it's lowest in American history. When Jesus was here he did not condemn this punishment, because corporal punishment was needed to deal with crime. Under secular rule, we warehouse these cats, and appeal, after appeal, these people live a much longer life than the senior citizens that they killed. Knock their tales off right quick, after you made sure that they did it, and people will say, oh my God, I am not going out there and do that, because they executed Mike's tale, in one week. I'll bet you then crime will go down. The Bible tells you how to deal with crime. And I am sick and tired of people telling me that the Bible way is cruel and it won't work, yes it will work, mans way sure has not worked. People seem to think that Christians should let everything slide by like a bunch of punks or something, let me tell you something my Christian friends, we are to deal with crime like the Bible tells you to. And yes some men will receive mercy, from a praying council of men under Biblical rule. But some men will not.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Re: Crime Under Biblical Rule In The USA

If you want to live in a Theocracy, go to Iran or Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country. We will have none of that in the United States.

 

[Lewis]

Re: Crime Under Biblical Rule In The USA

If you want to live in a Theocracy, go to Iran or Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country. We will have none of that in the United States.

Man don't tell me to go to Iran, I only put down my thoughts and I know that it will never happen, I did not ask you for a smart remark like that. And further more Islam is a evil theocracy.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Re: Crime Under Biblical Rule In The USA

[quote="Aero_Hudson":207n3510]If you want to live in a Theocracy, go to Iran or Saudi Arabia or another Muslim country. We will have none of that in the United States.

Man don't tell me to go to Iran, I only put down my thoughts and I know that it will never happen, I did not ask you for a smart remark like that. And further more Islam is a evil theocracy.[/quote:207n3510]

It is now is it? And you think that a Christian Theocracy, governed by men that are inherently flawed, would be good and pure? There is a reason why theocracies fail. They do not provide an environment for discourse and possible disagreement. When the church speaks that is it. That is called tyranny and has no place in the United States. I will take the Bill of Rights any day of the week and twice on Sunday over autocratic rule by self designated holy men. No thank you!

Men / women have to be free to come to God and to take their walk with the Lord. It cannot be mandated by government in any way, shape or form. We are blessed by God to live in a nation where we have the freedom to worship him. We are not told how to worship him or when by our government which is how it should be.

 

[Lewis]

Well look at what secular rule has done, crime at a all time high, porn promoted, same sex marriages, dogs being worth more than humans, abortions, the Bible taken out of schools, the ACLU shooting down anything that is Bible based. Yes a Christian run government would be better for this country, but now you got all these Muslims here, and others. As a far flawed men go that can not be avoided, that has always been, men can't be perfect. But good Holy Ghost filled men can run this country, and don't think that they can't, because if that were to be the case, the almighty God of the Bible would equip them, He would not send them into battle naked. And because this country and others will not bow down to Him, and do things His way, by His rule, it will be destroyed.

 

[kenmaynard]

A Christian run country, by men of God is the answer to many problems. And yes men are not perfect and stuff will still happen under Christian rule. But a council of men of God, using the Bible to govern the nation will work. Let me tell you a secret, the Basic Laws Of this Land Come From The Bible. The Bible has not changed, but man has deviated off into another direction, in this country. If we dealt with men who does crime the way that the Bible tells you to deal with them, crime would be much lower. And instead of warehousing them for years on end, deal with them quick, find out if they really did the crime and deal with them right then and there, and their hearts will not be set to do it again. The old whipping post works great, execution works great, but make sure they did the crime, and do it quick Ecclesiastes says.

Ecclesiastes 8:11 (King James Version)
11Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

Make sure they did the crime, and give them 40 laches out in the public. If a man rapes and kills a old lady, let the people stone his tale, and people will see and hear and fear, just like the Bible says, and crime will drop to it's lowest in American history. When Jesus was here he did not condemn this punishment, because corporal punishment was needed to deal with crime. Under secular rule, we warehouse these cats, and appeal, after appeal, these people live a much longer life than the senior citizens that they killed. Knock their tales off right quick, after you made sure that they did it, and people will say, oh my God, I am not going out there and do that, because they executed Mike's tale, in one week. I'll bet you then crime will go down. The Bible tells you how to deal with crime. And I am sick and tired of people telling me that the Bible way is cruel and it won't work, yes it will work, mans way sure has not worked. People seem to think that Christians should let everything slide by like a bunch of punks or something, let me tell you something my Christian friends, we are to deal with crime like the Bible tells you to. And yes some men will receive mercy, from a praying council of men under Biblical rule. But some men will not.

Would drinking be legal in the Christian utopia? Would adulterers be stoned to death? Could atheists run for office or any non Christian for that matter? What about all the scientists? Would you ban medical schools from teaching biology?

 

[Aero_Hudson]

You are reaching Lewis. Let's take some of those contentions you have...

crime at a all time high

- Completely false. Crime hit an "all time high" in 1993. We have been an a steady decline ever since.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

porn promoted

- You are a little vague there. How is this different from the past. What other materials do you want the government to ban from us?

same sex marriages

- How does this impact you?

dogs being worth more than humans

- Once again, incorrect. I am assuming you are referring to Michael Vick. He got 2 years in prison for killing mutliple canines. You kill a human being you will either get life in prison or death.

abortions

- Which have been on the decline since the 90's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Numbe ... n_US_(2005).gif

the Bible taken out of schools

- As it should be. We have a separation between church and state for a reason and we do not live in a Theocracy.

the ACLU shooting down anything that is Bible based.

- Please supply some proof. I don't see any links to back up this contention.

Yes a Christian run government would be better for this country, but now you got all these Muslims here, and others.

- Careful...starting to sound an awful lot like a bigot. The 7 billion people on this planet come in all different shapes, sizes and beliefs. The next thing you know you will tell us that Hitler was justified in exterminating Jews since he didn't like them, or agree with them and viewed them as lower than Germans. You are awful close to that line...don't cross it.

As a far flawed men go that can not be avoided, that has always been, men can't be perfect. But good Holy Ghost filled men can run this country, and don't think that they can't, because if that were to be the case, the almighty God of the Bible would equip them, He would not send them into battle naked. And because this country and others will not bow down to Him, and do things His way, by His rule, it will be destroyed.

- Looks where the last "Man of God" got us that led this country. An unjust war, violation of rights to "protect" American citizens, firings of attorneys because they not agree with Republican views, etc. That is a perfect example that warrants us being careful just how much power we give to people in our government and for what reasons. Personally, I am not comfortable giving anyone power in the name of God as a Theocracy promotes. If you can provide me with some examples of effective and just Theocracies that are still in existence today you might have a stronger arguement. As of right now, your arguement is extremely weak and inherently flawed.

 

[Lewis]

How does same sex marriages affect me, oh boy, that one I won't even answer. And do you know how much crime does not get reported, crime is still very high, I live in Philly do you know how much crime I see in this city, and most of it is not even reported, unless you kill or hurt someone, there are rapes here that never get reported. And there is no such thing as Separation Of Church and State, I have been through that one a few times on this board, they took one statement and took it out of context, I will try to find it when I come back home. Abortions are still going on man, and one is to many. You are one of those people the Bible talks about when it says, What I say is foolishness to you, reason because you have not the Holy Ghost, so how could you understand anything Biblical. The Biblical way of thinking is nothing but nonsense to you, so therefore arguing are trying to explain things of Bible thought, is crazy talk to you. And until you are filled with the Spirit of God, you know nothing of what we say.

 

[kenmaynard]

How does same sex marriages affect me, oh boy, that one I won't even answer. And do you know how much crime does not get reported, crime is still very high, I live in Philly do you know how much crime I see in this city, and most of it is not even reported, unless you kill or hurt someone, there are rapes here that never get reported. And there is no such thing as Separation Of Church and State, I have been through that one a few times on this board, they took one statement and took it out of context, I will try to find it when I come back home. Abortions are still going on man, and one is to many. You are one of those people the Bible talks about when it says, What I say is foolishness to you, reason because you have not the Holy Ghost, so how could you understand anything Biblical. The Biblical way of thinking is nothing but nonsense to you, so therefore arguing are trying to explain things of Bible thought, is crazy talk to you. And until you are filled with the Spirit of God, you know nothing of what we say.

Do you refuse to answer how same sex marriage affects you, because you can't think of a good example? So would adulterers be stoned to death or not? What is the punishment for teens who have pre marital sex? Will we be allowed to drink or not? How about smoking? How about tattoos?

 

[Aero_Hudson]

How does same sex marriages affect me, oh boy, that one I won't even answer. And do you know how much crime does not get reported, crime is still very high, I live in Philly do you know how much crime I see in this city, and most of it is not even reported, unless you kill or hurt someone, there are rapes here that never get reported. And there is no such thing as Separation Of Church and State, I have been through that one a few times on this board, they took one statement and took it out of context, I will try to find it when I come back home. Abortions are still going on man, and one is to many. You are one of those people the Bible talks about when it says, What I say is foolishness to you, reason because you have not the Holy Ghost, so how could you understand anything Biblical. The Biblical way of thinking is nothing but nonsense to you, so therefore arguing are trying to explain things of Bible thought, is crazy talk to you. And until you are filled with the Spirit of God, you know nothing of what we say.

So, help me understand. Instead of going by officially tracked crime data that shows that we are on a decline you want me to take your word for it that crime is on its way up and the highest ever? Sorry, not doing that. You contend that a lot of crime is not reported. If that is a problems now I would imagine it was a problem then so even if I concede that point we still have less crime today than in the past. Try again.

God is the judge of people, not you, not me. If homosexuals want to get married and they find a church that does so, go for it. I am not the one that will have final judgement on them and to be honest, that is not the biggest issue facing America today regardless of what others might think. If two people want to enter into a committed relationship, who am I to stand in there way. Knock yourself out.

A Theocracy would violate the first amendment. We have the right to choose our own religion or lack of belief. A Theocracy would violate the very first amendment in our Bill of Rights. God is my master on a higher plain apart from the flesh. Our government is needed to govern people of the flesh. I will nto trust my fellow man to dictate what religion I follow or believe in, to start cutting hands off for stealing ot stoning people for adultry. People make mistakes and sin. What we learn from these mistakes and how we ask for forgiveness is what truly matters. Not stoning people on the streets.

Let's get one thing straight Lewis. You do not know me so you have no idea that I am "one of those people the Bible talks about". Think for yourself and discuss the issues based on their merits not because the bible says so nonsense that you keep shoveling. We live in this world and must do so in as pure a way as possible. This nation was established in large part due to people being persecuted for their religious beliefs. Is that what you want to go back to? We do not need a Godly government to be Godly ourselves. My faith is always with me regardless of what my government might want to dictate. The least I can ask for is that they give me the freedom to choose my faith and worship the way I see fit. I do not need you or anyone telling me what that is. That is between God and me.