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Daniel 11:37...is the anti-christ going to be Jewish?

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ATTENTION - This thread is for the sake of mature discussion and is not intended to be anti-semitic.

According to this verse...

"Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers . . .nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
-Daniel 11:37

Yes, I know that the very next verse says contradicts this one because it says he will serve the "god of fortresses" (which I assess to be a reference to his military background)
Basically, we need to closely examine the part about the anti-christ not regarding the God of his fathers.

Note that this particular verse, distinguishes between 'God of his fathers' and 'any god'.
I interpret the mention of "his fathers" to be Daniel hinting at the anti-christs jewish lineage. Its not wrong to assume that Daniel refers to other gods as 'any gods'.

Logically, the anti-christ needs to be of Jewish descent to at least be in a position to decieve Jews/Christians with his lies.
And furthermore, the jews are more susceptible to accepting him as a messiah because they are the ones who believe that the messiah is yet to come. Christians (and muslims) await the supernatural return of the messiah Jesus.
 
These are my studies on the subject.I cannot answer the question as yet and time will tell of my thoughts on this subject are accurate.Hope this helps.

Daniel 11;1-4
Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede,even I ,stood to confirm and to strengthen him.
And now will I show thee the truth.Behold,there shall stand up yet three kings (Roman,Byzantine,Ottoman empires)in Persia;and the fourth (Great Britton)shall be far richer than they all;and by his streignth through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.(The Third Reich)
And a mighty king shall stand up that shall rule with great dominion,and do according to his will.
And when he shall stand up,his kingdom shall be broken,and shall be devided toward the four winds of heaven;and not to his posterity,nor according to his dominion which he ruled;for his kingdom shall be plucked up,even for others beside those.(Great Britton devided)

Daniel 11;5-6
And the king of the south shall be strong,(Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr)and one of his princes(Saddam Hussein);and he shall be strong above him,and have dominion;his dominion shall be a great dominion.
And in the end of years they shall join themselves together;for the kings daughter of the south shall come to the king of the north to make an agreement;but she shall not retain the power of the arm;neither shall he stand,nor his arm;but she shall be given up,and they that brought her,and he that begat her,and he that streignthend her in these times.
The President of Lebanon, Amine Gemayel </wiki/Amine_Gemayel>, connected with President Reagan on April 18, saying, “The Lebanese people and myself express our deepest condolences to the families of the U.S. victims. The cross of peace is the burden of the courageous." Meanwhile, Lebanon asked the U.S., France, and Italy to double the size of the peacekeeping force. As of March 16, it numbered about 4,800 troops, including some 1,200 U.S. Marines, 1,400 Italian soldiers, 2,100 French paratroopers and 100 British soldiers.
Daniel11;7-8
But out of her roots shall one (Imad Fayez Mughiyah)stand up in his estate,which shall come with an army,and shall enter into the fortress (US embassy and barracks ,Beirut 1983)of the king of the north,and shall deal against them,and shall prevail;
And shall also carry captives into Egypt (TWA flight 847-1985)thier gods,with thier prnces,and with thier precious vessels of silver and gold;and he shall continue more years than the king of the north.
Imad Fayez Mughniyah died feb 12,2008
Ronald Reagon died june 5,2004
June 1985
TWA Flight 847 from Athens is hijacked by terrorists. The pilot is forced to fly to Beirut, where hijackers beat and kill a Navy diver. The plane is flown to Algiers, then back to Beirut again. Most passengers are released; 39 are held captive in Lebanon. Reagan vows that the U.S. will never give in to terrorists' demands. The remaining hostages are freed after 17 days.

Dan 11;9
So the king of the south shall come into his kingdom,and shall return into his own land.
(.Iran-Iraq war ened 1988)
Dan11;10-12
But his sons shall be stirred up,and shall assemble a mutitude of great forces;and one shall certainly come,and overflow,and pass through;then shall he return,and be stirred up,even to his fortress.
(1991 Gulf war)
And the king of the south shall be moved with choler,and shall come forth and fight with him,even with the king of the north;and he shall set forth a great mutitude;but the mutitude shall be given into his hand.
And when he had taken away the mutitude,his heart shall be lifted up;and he shall cast down many ten thousands;but he shall not be strengthened by it.
(During the first war with Iraq,Sadam had the 3rd largest army in the world.Certainly a great mutitude.But they were given into the hand of the US.After the US army (its mutitude)was withdrawn from Iraq ,Sadam cast down many ten thousands.The kurds to the north and shites to the south.Even though the US imposed no fly zones to help the uprising ,Sadam defeated all that rose against him.)
Dan 11;13-17
(2003 Gulf war)
For the king of the north shall return,and set forth a mutitude greater than the former,and shall certainly come after certain years with a great army and with much riches.
And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south;also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vosion;but they shall fall.
So the king of the north shall come,and cast up a mount,and take the most fenced cities;and the arms of the south shall not withstandlneither his chosen people,neither shall there be any strength to withstand
But he that cometh against him shall do according to his own will,and none shall stand before him;and he shall stand in the glorious land,which by his hand shall be consumed.
He shallalso set his face to enter with the strength of his whole kingdom,and upright ones with him;thus shall he do;and he shall give him the daughter of women ,corrupting her;but she shall not stand on his side,neither be for him.The US returned with an army greater than before and took the most fenced cities.Not even Sadam's chosen elect (elite republican guard) could withstand.
Daniel 11;18
After this shall he turn his face unto the isles,and shall take many;but a prince for his own behalf shall cause the reproach offerd by him to cease;without his own reproach he shall cause it to turn upon him.
Bush took prisoners to Cuba and has since been forced to give the detainees their day in court.
Dan11;19
Then he shall turn his face toward the fort of his own land;but he shall stumble and fall and not be found.
Bush set his face to Washington for the bailout of fanacial institutions and is president no more
Dan 11;20
Then shall stand in his estate a raiser of taxes in the glory of the kingdom,but within few days he shall be destroyed,neigther in anger,nor in battle.Im presently awaiting to see the conclusion of this verse.

Like you I had thought the king who would follow the raiser of taxes was jewish but he may not be.I suspect the host sent to the nation of Israel in dan 8;12 and also in dan 11;31(the arms that stand on behalf of the king of the north)may have a connection to a jewish person.I think Obamas chief of staff ,Ralm Emanuel was born in Israel and has served with the Israeli millitary.I will be keeping a close eye on his intereactions with Israel.

The future will tell if my thoughts are correct or not so lets keep an eye out.
 
I would like to say this about the vile man(king of the north )in Dan 11;21

The chapter really never calls him an antichrist though it does say he is a vile man.

2 John;7
For many decievers are enterd into the world ,who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,This is a deciever and an antichrist,

There are many who deny Jesus saying the Messiah has not come.
Though most jews deny Christ has come we do have some brothers in Christ in Israel today.Watch for the day they flee Judea.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
I would like to say this about the vile man(king of the north )in Dan 11;21

The chapter really never calls him an antichrist though it does say he is a vile man.

2 John;7
For many decievers are enterd into the world ,who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh,This is a deciever and an antichrist,

There are many who deny Jesus saying the Messiah has not come.
Though most jews deny Christ has come we do have some brothers in Christ in Israel today.Watch for the day they flee Judea.
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These four verses give us a complete definition of antichrist. The actual word is found nowhere else in scripture. 1 John 4:3 is the best of them all.

(1 John 2:18 KJV) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

(1 John 2:22 KJV) Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

(1 John 4:3 KJV) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

(2 John 1:7 KJV) For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Antichrist was already in the world as John wrote his letters. :study
 
In Daniel 11:37 the word 'god' is not always capitalized nor even singular in all translations of the Bible. Therefore, it need not refer to the Jewish God.

Any antichrist, in taking the place of Christ, deifies himself, thereby denying the gods of his fathers or any other religion.
One does not need to be Jewish to deify himself.

Muslims have never accepted Jesus as the Messiah. Their eschatology may demand his return, but they do not believe he is God.
 
Sinthesis said:
...Muslims have never accepted Jesus as the Messiah. Their eschatology may demand his return, but they do not believe he is God.
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Thanks, a good point. I wanted to comment on that but got swept up in other thoughts.
 
The pharisees and sadusees seem to have been the first to say that the messiah hadnt come and decieved a great many. I wouldnt be so sure of saying what a muslim
believes about Christ unless you have read the quran.Ive read it and you might be surprised what it says .
 
Shilohsfoal said:
The pharisees and sadusees seem to have been the first to say that the messiah hadnt come and decieved a great many. I wouldnt be so sure of saying what a muslim
believes about Christ unless you have read the quran.Ive read it and you might be surprised what it says .
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I can get us an ex-Muslim's perspective on that.
 
OK
Ask him what the quran says about the jewish messiah and how the jews denied him.
If he needs help,tell him he can run a word serch on one of the online qurans.
 
Hi Shilohsfoal,

I'm no expert but I don't need to run a word-search. :P

Yes, Muslims believe Christ was the Jewish Messiah :yes
 
Irenaeus (120-202 A.D.) not only indicates that Antichrist will be Jewish, but specifies which tribe he will be from!

There may be "many antichrists" but, according to Irenaeus, there is a single individual who will be THE Antichrist. Irenaeus identifies him with The Beast of Revelation. He gives two reasons for saying he will be from the tribe of Dan:

1. "We shall hear the voice of his swift horses from Dan; the whole land shall be moved by the voice of the neighing of his galloping horses; he shall come and devour the land, and its fullness, the city also, and they that dwell therein." (Jeremiah 8:16 A translation from the Septuagint)

2. This, too is the reason that this tribe is not counted in the Apocalypse along with those who are saved (Revelation 6:5-8). Against Heresies Book 5, Chap 30, Sec 2

Irenaeus also suggests several possible names for Antichrist, names whose numeric value is 666 when the value of each Greek letter in a name is summed.
 
You know guys Ive read about this guy standing in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.Now consider God does not dwell in temples made with hands.Is not the human body the temple?If a man wanted to show himself that he were God then would he not write his name in the temple as God seals his servants in thier forehead with his name?

Here is something else to consider.This is your vice president speaking in this video.
If anything were to happen to Obama,this would most likely be your president.

http://www.truveo.com/Infowars-Senator- ... /448764655


One more thing to consider.Four of the top five executives of applied ditital solutions ,owners of the digital angel are jewish.

Im not trying to frighten anyone for I see this abomination given to those jews who serve thier king in Israel.The king they have chosen to themselves.
If I had but one message to those in Judea is to choose this day ,who you will serve.
 
Shilohsfoal said:
You know guys Ive read about this guy standing in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.Now consider God does not dwell in temples made with hands.Is not the human body the temple?If a man wanted to show himself that he were God then would he not write his name in the temple as God seals his servants in thier forehead with his name?...
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Right. Also consider this:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
John 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
John 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
 
Sinthesis said:
Muslims have never accepted Jesus as the Messiah. Their eschatology may demand his return,
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Muslims believe Jesus is the messiah. Read what the Koran has to say on this matter...

When the angels said: O Marium, surely Allah gives you good news with a Word from Him (of one) whose name is the '. Messiah, Isa son of Marium, worthy of regard in this world and the hereafter and of those who are made near (to Allah).
-Koran 3:45

Not only do muslims accept him as the messiah who would return...but they are taught that he is the one who is chosen to kill the anti-christ. I know it sounds wierd...that the religion practised by Osama Bin Laden teaches that Jesus is the messiah... but the "chosen people", (who Jesus was among) the Jews do not accept Jesus as messiah.


Sinthesis said:
but they do not believe he is God.
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Yes. Muslims do not believe he is God, but then again, certain groups of Christians also share this view.
http://www.christianmonotheism.com/

I dont blame them for their beliefs, because the Bible itself makes it clear that

1. Jesus himself prayed to God.
2. Jesus taught everybody else to pray to God.
3. Jesus refused to worship satan by saying that only God should be worshipped. Think about it...would Satan dare to ever ask God to worship him???

Remember, Satan himself was answerable to God. (Refer to: Job)
 
Gabriel Ali said:
Hi Shilohsfoal,

I'm no expert but I don't need to run a word-search. :P

Yes, Muslims believe Christ was the Jewish Messiah :yes
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My bad, I was using 'Messiah' in the Christian sense.

What does the Muslim believe the Jews gave up in rejecting Jesus as their King?
Does the Qur'an say what the world of the 7th century would have looked like had the Jews accepted Jesus as the Jewish Messiah?
 
In Revelation, there are two beasts. One from the Sea, and one from the Earth (land). Now the question; which IS the one we call anti-christ.

No one seems to ever consider this. I have been studying Daniel for the last two days, and looking into this myself. Read from 11:36 to the end of the chapter, and see what you think. Who is this God of forces, and who is this man.
 
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