December 8th

Rollo Tamasi

Rollo Tamasi

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Today is Immaculate Conception day.
In some parts of the world, it's a full fledged holiday.
But certainly a day to go to church in those places that follow this stuff.
I say that because, I really don't understand what immaculate conception means and why December 8th as a celebration day.
I have a friend down the street that is an Eastern Orthodox believer, if I can't get no answers here, I'll call her later.
 
Hi AW

The Immaculate Conception became Catholic dogma in 1854.
Can't remember the name of the Pope who declared it dogma.
This means that Catholics are required to accept this as truth.

The IC refers to Mary. Many mistakenly believe it refers to Jesus.
This dogma states that Mary was conceived without the stain, or effect, of original sin...
Which every other human is. IOW, she was born without sin.

This is necessary, according to the CC because Jesus could not be born of a woman with sin.
He had to be born of a sinless womb.

It has recently been learned that the blood of a baby in the womb does not mingle with the blood of the mother. I wonder if, knowing this, this same dogma holds as much importance today. The church, back then, believed Jesus' blood could not be mixed with sinful blood.

Why Dec. 8th?
Because it's when Mary was conceived, don't you know!
She was born on Sept 8th, the following year.
 
wondering said:
Hi AW

The Immaculate Conception became Catholic dogma in 1854.
Can't remember the name of the Pope who declared it dogma.
This means that Catholics are required to accept this as truth.

The IC refers to Mary. Many mistakenly believe it refers to Jesus.
This dogma states that Mary was conceived without the stain, or effect, of original sin...
Which every other human is. IOW, she was born without sin.

This is necessary, according to the CC because Jesus could not be born of a woman with sin.
He had to be born of a sinless womb.

It has recently been learned that the blood of a baby in the womb does not mingle with the blood of the mother. I wonder if, knowing this, this same dogma holds as much importance today. The church, back then, believed Jesus' blood could not be mixed with sinful blood.

Why Dec. 8th?
Because it's when Mary was conceived, don't you know!
She was born on Sept 8th, the following year.
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thank you
 
Jim Parker said:
Just FYI; The Eastern Orthodox Church rejects the doctrine of the immaculate conception.

iakov the fool
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So they believe Mary was born with sin, just like everyone else?
Those ECF's didn't agree on everything either.
Do you know how the concept came about?
I think that some popes believed in it and some didn't.
 
The enemy.
Take your eyes off of Jesus and put them on Mary instead.
 
Allen Wynne said:
The enemy.
Take your eyes off of Jesus and put them on Mary instead.
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In the CC they're told that Mary will lead one to Jesus.
Why one has to be lead, I don't really understand.
When I got saved, HE came to me, not her.
Maybe Mary goes to some??
 
Yeah Jesus and Mary sit down everyday and go over the list.
Mary takes the catholics and Jesus takes the protestants
Sometimes the twain shall meet
they decide how many angels each needs for the day, they have a cup of coffee, and they're on their way
Yeah, right!
 
Allen Wynne said:
Yeah Jesus and Mary sit down everyday and go over the list.
Mary takes the catholics and Jesus takes the protestants
Sometimes the twain shall meet
they decide how many angels each needs for the day, they have a cup of coffee, and they're on their way
Yeah, right!
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Some Catholics are devoted to Mary or to other saints.
This is a very bad tradition. My cousin talks more about his
favorite saint than Jesus. I have to remind him that it was Jesus
on the cross. I wonder if he's saved. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
I wonder exactly what makes people be saved. I think it's when they
have the Holy Spirit.
 
wondering said:
Some Catholics are devoted to Mary or to other saints.
This is a very bad tradition. My cousin talks more about his
favorite saint than Jesus. I have to remind him that it was Jesus
on the cross. I wonder if he's saved. I know I shouldn't, but I do.
I wonder exactly what makes people be saved. I think it's when they
have the Holy Spirit.
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Yes, it is the Holy Spirit
 
wondering said:
(1) So they believe Mary was born with sin, just like everyone else?
(2)Those ECF's didn't agree on everything either.
(3) Do you know how the concept came about?
(4) I think that some popes believed in it and some didn't.
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(1) The Orthodox church believes that Mary was born with the capacity to sin just like everyone else.
(2)The ECFs were the ones who worked out the basics of Christian dogma. (Like the Nicean-Constantinople creed)
They did not always agree but were able to define the basic tenets of Christianity by meeting and discussing it. (Not always nicely)
(3) The dogma developed as an outworking of the western, legal, view of salvation and "original sin". A person who is "saved" has been made legally innocent of sin and, since all of Adam's descendants are tainted with sin, it was necessary that Mary, in order to qualify to bear the Son of God, must be legally pure. (Free of guilt of original sin) i order for her son to be conceived and born without preexisting legal indictments.
It did not become an official doctrine until 1854
St Gregory Nazianzen, a major influence in Eastern Orthodox theology in the 4th century also held to a view of Mary's sinlessness but the idea never was accepted by the Church.
(4) I understand as well that some popes did and some didn't.

iakov the fool
 
Jim Parker said:
(1) The Orthodox church believes that Mary was born with the capacity to sin just like everyone else.
(2)The ECFs were the ones who worked out the basics of Christian dogma. (Like the Nicean-Constantinople creed)
They did not always agree but were able to define the basic tenets of Christianity by meeting and discussing it. (Not always nicely)
(3) The dogma developed as an outworking of the western, legal, view of salvation and "original sin". A person who is "saved" has been made legally innocent of sin and, since all of Adam's descendants are tainted with sin, it was necessary that Mary, in order to qualify to bear the Son of God, must be legally pure. (Free of guilt of original sin) i order for her son to be conceived and born without preexisting legal indictments.
It did not become an official doctrine until 1854
St Gregory Nazianzen, a major influence in Eastern Orthodox theology in the 4th century also held to a view of Mary's sinlessness but the idea never was accepted by the Church.
(4) I understand as well that some popes did and some didn't.

iakov the fool
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What's an ECF?
 
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