Catholic Church Abrogates Holy Day

[Bruce.Leiter]

I don't think the day we celebrate anything on makes any difference to God, just so we worship and celebrate him, for he alone is worthy, not any saints or Mary.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

What are "Roman, Lutheran and all other baptismal vows" you think Christians should repent of and renounce?

All sworn vows are of the evil one. Without exception. The Lord has said so. But they are integral to the structure to your religious nations, so repentance is quite the tall order. This is probably why the Comforter never purged the church of vowswearing.

And the religious nations of this world have always been designed around vowswearing. It is just most interesting and relevant, that the Church of Christ the Lord, is not.

 

[Walpole]

All sworn vows are of the evil one. Without exception. The Lord has said so. But they are integral to the structure to your religious nations, so repentance is quite the tall order. This is probably why the Comforter never purged the church of vowswearing.

And the religious nations of this world have always been designed around vowswearing. It is just most interesting and relevant, that the Church of Christ the Lord, is not.

Ruh roh...

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=vow&restrict=Old+Testament&size=First+100

Lots of vows in the Scriptures.

 

[Walpole]

I don't think the day we celebrate anything on makes any difference to God, just so we worship and celebrate him, for he alone is worthy, not any saints or Mary.

Why did Christians celebrate saints and Mary before the advent of Protestantism? Ever been to an ancient Christian Church? Ever read the Church's earliest liturgies? Ever seen ancient Christian art? Ever seen ancient Christian psalters? Ever seen ancient Christian epitaphs?

 

[Hidden In Him]

Ruh roh...

https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=simple&format=Long&q1=vow&restrict=Old+Testament&size=First+100

Lots of vows in the Scriptures.

LoL. I think his argument is with swearing vows after the advent of Christ's teaching on the subject, which is certainly up for debate.

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[Walpole]

LoL. I think his argument is with swearing vows after the advent of Christ's teaching on the subject, which is certainly up for debate.

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Where's that leave St. Paul?

Acts 18:18: "Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Where's that leave St. Paul?

Acts 18:18: "Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

Apparently, at that moment, Paul had not yet repented of that evil.

 

[Walpole]

Apparently, at that moment, Paul had not yet repented of that evil.

Can you direct me to the verse where St. Paul repents of and recants taking his vow?

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

Can you direct me to the verse where St. Paul repents of and recants taking his vow?

That's the point. We don't have such a verse. And we do have that which Christ the Lord said on the subject, which is the truth. Some do and have followed the example of Paul against the truth of the Christ.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Where's that leave St. Paul?

Acts 18:18: "Paul stayed on in Corinth for some time. Then he left the brothers and sisters and sailed for Syria, accompanied by Priscilla and Aquila. Before he sailed, he had his hair cut off at Cenchreae because of a vow he had taken."

He's argued this position before, which is why I sad it is certainly up for debate. Just keep it civil please (and that means everyone).

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

All sworn vows are of the evil one. Without exception. The Lord has said so. But they are integral to the structure to your religious nations, so repentance is quite the tall order. This is probably why the Comforter never purged the church of vowswearing.

And the religious nations of this world have always been designed around vowswearing. It is just most interesting and relevant, that the Church of Christ the Lord, is not.

Jonathan, I haven't studied the subject, but I'm curious. What is the "Church of Christ the Lord"? I've heard of the Church of Christ and the Christian Church, but not of that particular denomination.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

The Church of Christ the Lord is not a denomination. It is the Church about which Christ the Lord has Personally spoken. Its leaders are never defined according to vows they have sworn, or by anything of this world. Its people and its leaders have lived in and among usupers and deceivers since those arose, as the Lord said they would.

 

[Walpole]

That's the point. We don't have such a verse. And we do have that which Christ the Lord said on the subject, which is the truth. Some do and have followed the example of Paul against the truth of the Christ.

So we have a verse of Sacred Scripture from St. Luke telling us St. Paul took a vow. But because you say taking a vow is sinful, you just assume St. Paul must have repented and recanted his vow, even though this occurred after St. Paul's conversion, baptism, reception of the Holy Spirit, and instruction from the other Apostles?

Sounds like you are making quite the assumption.

 

[jonathanbrickman0000]

So we have a verse of Sacred Scripture from St. Luke telling us St. Paul took a vow. But because you say taking a vow is sinful, you just assume St. Paul must have repented and recanted his vow, even though this occurred after St. Paul's conversion, baptism, reception of the Holy Spirit, and instruction from the other Apostles?

Sounds like you are making quite the assumption.

No, I do not assume that Paul ever repented or recanted of the vow he swore, while his flesh walked this earth. But I'll think he did sooner or later.

 

[Walpole]

No, I do not assume that Paul ever repented or recanted of the vow he swore, while his flesh walked this earth. But I'll think he did sooner or later.

So you don't assume he ever repented or recanted but you assume he did.

Makes sense. (Sarcasm)

 

[Hidden In Him]

So you don't assume he ever repented or recanted but you assume he did.

Makes sense. (Sarcasm)

By "sooner or later" he meant in Heaven. Sarcasm uncalled for.

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[Walpole]

By "sooner or later" he meant in Heaven. Sarcasm uncalled for.

How do you know that's what he meant? Why not let him speak for himself?

 

[Hidden In Him]

How do you know that's what he meant?

Because I know what he's saying, Walpole.

Why not let him speak for himself?

He's completely free to speak for himself. I'm free to moderate, yes? The sarcasm was uncalled for.

Blessings,
- H