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Defining Atheism

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Slevin

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I see generally a lot of false definitions regarding atheism and I thought it would be a good idea to begin a thread which properly defines atheism and the various stances regarding this idea.

The first major issue that I see with any philosophical stance is the question of knowledge. Knowledge is defined as a justified true belief. What I mean is:

1) I believe x is true.
2) X is true.
3) I am justified in believing that x is true.

Since at this time no one can currently demonstrate that the claim God exists (x) is true or that the opposing claim (~x) is true, the issue of agnosticism really does not come into play.

Of course, one can obviously state that they "know" God exists or doesn't exist, but it doesn't apply philosophically or rationally. So, from this point onward, we are dealing with atheism and theism as it pertains to philosophy and my specific definition of knowledge.

Now that we have established the basic foundations of the supporting ideas regarding atheism, we can move on to specific definitions:

Theism: The belief that a God or gods exist.
Atheism: The disbelief that a God or gods exist.

As you may or may not have noticed, the issue of knowledge really doesn't come into play, since both are beliefs. Whether or not we "know" is a separate issue and since neither side can currently know, it is irrelevant to state as such that one is agnostic.

Please note that this does not mean that neither theists nor atheists are unjustified in having their belief.

Now we come to the issue of conviction.

Strong and weak are basically specific details into the conviction that one has in their own belief. I myself have a strong conviction regarding my belief in the non-existence of God. Christians or other Theists may have a strong conviction regarding their belief in the existence of God.

In conclusion:
1) Agnostic is irrelevant as it pertains to belief in God since nobody can know at this time that God exists.
2) Strong and weak are the levels of conviction one has for any belief.

Any questions or comments would be appreciated.
 
Slevin said:
The first major issue that I see with any philosophical stance is the question of knowledge. Knowledge is defined as a justified true belief. What I mean is:

1) I believe x is true.
2) X is true.
3) I am justified in believing that x is true.

A minor nitpick. The definition of knowledge as a "justified true belief" is indeed a legacy from Plato, as he originally came up with the definition. This definition has held for thousands of years and received its first real challenge in the 1970s, when a philosopher named Gettier published a very short (three-page) paper that logically showed the "knowledge = JTB" theory to be false. If you read very recent (last quarter-century or so) epistemology papers, you'll surely find some reference to Gettier and/or his paper along with a slightly different definition of knowledge (of course, there is vast disagreement over how we should redefine knowledge :)).

I highly recommend his paper - it's very short and has had great impact on epistemology. :)

In conclusion:
1) Agnostic is irrelevant as it pertains to belief in God since nobody can know at this time that God exists.
2) Strong and weak are the levels of conviction one has for any belief.

A well written post. I agree fully. :)
 
Novum said:
A minor nitpick. The definition of knowledge as a "justified true belief" is indeed a legacy from Plato, as he originally came up with the definition. This definition has held for thousands of years and received its first real challenge in the 1970s, when a philosopher named Gettier published a very short (three-page) paper that logically showed the "knowledge = JTB" theory to be false. If you read very recent (last quarter-century or so) epistemology papers, you'll surely find some reference to Gettier and/or his paper along with a slightly different definition of knowledge (of course, there is vast disagreement over how we should redefine knowledge :)).

I highly recommend his paper - it's very short and has had great impact on epistemology. :)

Thanks for your below comment. I'll pm you regarding the Gettier problem...I have read it and have yet to see anyone able to provide a problem that is fully a JTB conundrum.
 
Here's a true Biblical definition...

Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Ps 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The word fool should be understood of those who do not use reason well, not someone of mental defeat...although Stong's uses the term simpleton for fool.

http://www.rmiweb.org/other/promorons.pdf
 
JM said:
Here's a true Biblical definition...

Ps 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Ps 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

The word fool should be understood of those who do not use reason well, not someone of mental defeat...although Stong's uses the term simpleton for fool.

http://www.rmiweb.org/other/promorons.pdf

That's nice. I'm guessing I'll see your overwhelming reasoning abilities later on, right?
 
Just a reminder this is a Christian forum. That being the case, Christianity will be the emphasis and NOT Atheism. If a discussion over the definition is all that is intended, so one can learn about atheism, fine. Promotion of Atheism will not be tolerated because, as previously statedâ€â€THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM.

Also note this particular forum is called “Apologetics and Theology." I emphasis Theology because a discussion about Atheism is clearly not a Theological discussionâ€â€Theology requires a discussion about the belief in God (or in some cases godsâ€â€but this is a Christian forum so one God will be discussed).
 
Nocturnal_Principal_X said:
Just a reminder this is a Christian forum. That being the case, Christianity will be the emphasis and NOT Atheism. If a discussion over the definition is all that is intended, so one can learn about atheism, fine. Promotion of Atheism will not be tolerated because, as previously statedâ€â€THIS IS A CHRISTIAN FORUM.

Also note this particular forum is called “Apologetics and Theology." I emphasis Theology because a discussion about Atheism is clearly not a Theological discussionâ€â€Theology requires a discussion about the belief in God (or in some cases godsâ€â€but this is a Christian forum so one God will be discussed).

My intention was never to initiate debate regarding the truth or falsity of atheism, but to clear up misconceptions about the defining aspects of atheism.
 
Slevin said:
My intention was never to initiate debate regarding the truth or falsity of atheism, but to clear up misconceptions about the defining aspects of atheism.
That is fine, just giving a reminder.
 
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