Did Adam.....................

[Godbless]

Did Adam have enough time to swallow the bite taken from the forbidden fruit?.

 

[SeverinR]

Did Adam act on his own, or did the nagging wife get him in trouble?
I say he was responsible for his own actions.
The true villian, gets little blame. God let the serpant in, thus letting sin into the
Garden. Like corrupting a child, surrounded by good, evil easily tricks the good trusting people.

 

[SeverinR]

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

According to King James version http://www.dltk-bible.com/genesis/chapter2-kjv.htm
The woman was convinced. She saw th...usband, who was with her, and he ate it, too.

according to NLVhttp://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Genesis+3&version=51
They sewed fig leaves together, so I believe he had plenty of time to eat.

Satan has some powers equal to Gods, so why would God not protect his innocent creations from the devils evil. I guess I am saying that the one at fault is the one that punished man(woman) for failing the test.

 

[Caroline H]

First off, Satan does not have any power equal to God. He is more powerful than humans but not as powerful than God. Second, are you blaming God for the fall of mankind?

 

[SeverinR]

First off, Satan does not have any power equal to God. He is more powerful than humans but not as powerful than God. Second, are you blaming God for the fall of mankind?

I beleive, an all knowing God would know that the humans he created in a utopia with no evil for them to be concerned with, should have known and protected his creations from the evil that he created. Satan does have vast powers, much more then mere humans can understand even today, thus the humans he first created were destined to fail.
This will be my first question, when I meet God.
I don't believe humans raised in a perfectly good world, could have stood against the evil and power of Satan, the only evil in the garden. So yes. I blame God, as I blame the parents of a child that gets into trouble or gets hurt, becsue they knew no better.
remember, God doesn't want us to follow blindly, He wants us to learn his word and question it so we understand it. Anything else will lower Christianity to the level of Crusades or Jihad for Islam. Blind faith will cause followers to do what God never intended.

 

[Ret]

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

According to King James version http://www.dltk-bible.com/genesis/chapter2-kjv.htm
The woman was convinced. She saw th...usband, who was with her, and he ate it, too.

Job 28:12-14, 18-21 & 28

12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding?
13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.
14 The depth saith, It is not in me: and the sea saith, It is not with me.

18 No mention shall be made of coral, or of pearls: for the price of wisdom is above rubies.
19 The topaz of Ethiopia shall not equal it, neither shall it be valued with pure gold.
20 Whence then cometh wisdom? and where is the place of understanding?
21 Seeing it is hid from the eyes of all living, and kept close from the fowls of the air.

28 And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding. KJV emphasis supplied

Looking for true wisdom is only available in and from the tree of life!

 

[SeverinR]

Did not the serpant pass the evil thought into Eve's mind?

Eve, wife of Adam, living in a world of no pain, no suffering, no evil. First meets evil and falls easily prey to the cursed ones evil ploy. So who is at fault?
Eve was "born" after God told Adam not to eat form the tree of life. She was not directly told not to eat from the tree, thus the serpant sought her out to challenge God's authority, and soil God's perfect world.

If a young child, that know no better, gets in to trouble, do you blame the child?

 

[Caroline H]

Ok, so we'll see if that is indeed the first question you ask Almighty God when you see Him....I bet that one will go over well. ing Actually, I honestly doubt that you will have such concerns in the presence of God.

I think you are taking out the equation of free will. Just because God didn't make us impermeable to sin, doesn't mean that He set us up for failure. If He had made us impermeable we wouldn't have any freedom to chose right over wrong, we would just do it. What's the point in that? Sure, if human parents fail to protect their children from harm the parents should be blamed, but this is hardly the same case with God and His creation. By saying that God is to blame for our failures, you are saying that God is sinful....an oxymoron that cannot be.

 

[SeverinR]

Ok, so we'll see if that is indeed the first question you ask Almighty God when you see Him....I bet that one will go over well. ing Actually, I honestly doubt that you will have such concerns in the presence of God.

I think you are taking out the equation of free will. Just because God didn't make us impermeable to sin, doesn't mean that He set us up for failure. If He had made us impermeable we wouldn't have any freedom to chose right over wrong, we would just do it. What's the point in that? Sure, if human parents fail to protect their children from harm the parents should be blamed, but this is hardly the same case with God and His creation. By saying that God is to blame for our failures, you are saying that God is sinful....an oxymoron that cannot be.

My first question will probably be:
Are you serious?(I am so sure now, but I have doubts once in a while.)
But once the awe and overwhelming surroundings have become normal, I will ask God:
1. Trying to keep his children from sin, why cast them out into a world guaranteed to cause them to sin.
Its like punishing a indoor pig for getting dirty, by throwing them out in the mud, and telling the pig if he
stays clean he can come in later.
2. In the Garden of Eden, Satan entered the perfect Garden and sought out the weak human with no defense against Satan, to be coerced by Satan and eat from the fruit. Even the most simple of humans would know naive humans, never exposed to corruption would fail the test by the evil genius of Satan.
God is not to blame(except for the original sin) for our problems. But as far as Adam and Eve, no evil was in the Garden(am I wrong?) God told Adam not to eat from the tree of life. DId he tell Eve?
God let Satan in(god knows everything, and didn't prevent him from entering.) God allowed Satan to twist the naive woman of Eve(who knows no evil, no deciet) to eat fromthe tree(see previous note, omnicent) God again allowed the Serpant to follow Eve and had Adam eat from the tree.
So how can Adam and Eve be blamed for failing?

It is interesting that you doubt I will ask this. Do you not have a loving relationship with God? Are you God loving or God fearing? I occasionally scream at God. I rant and rave about how bad he treats me, and later I accept that I was wrong. But I do not fear questioning him, nor fear yelling at him. God loves me(and you) more then any Father loves thier child, if this is true, then why would you fear any human quality that we share with other humans? A real relationship with God means all emotions are acceptable. OUr emotions make us who we are. If God can't handle a tantrum or simple questions,
then does he really want a relationship with us?
What will God do if I ask a question or yell at him? Damn me to hell? When I accepted Jesus as he comanded? Free will and a relationship means he must love us in our true human form.