Did anyone keep the Law ???

[dan p]

Hi to all , and let me say I believe that the Law is not for Gentiles , unless a Gentile embraced the Law and became a Jew , because today we are saved by Grace . But we do have 2 very interesting verses .

1) In Luke 1:5 , it is talking about Elisabeth and then in verse 6 ; And they were both righeous before God , walking in in ALL the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord Blameless .

2) Then in Phil 3:6 , concerning zeal , persecuting the assembly ; touching the LAW , Blameless .

 

[Drew]

Hi to all , and let me say I believe that the Law is not for Gentiles , unless a Gentile embraced the Law and became a Jew , because today we are saved by Grace . But we do have 2 very interesting verses .

1) In Luke 1:5 , it is talking about Elisabeth and then in verse 6 ; And they were both righeous before God , walking in in ALL the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord Blameless .

2) Then in Phil 3:6 , concerning zeal , persecuting the assembly ; touching the LAW , Blameless .

I believe that some did indeed "keep the law" substantially. And I agree with you that the Law was for Jews only.

The reason why people could technically keep the Law is that Law made allowances for "unintentional" deviations from the letter of the Law. So, yes, some people could indeed truthfully say they "kept the Law". Paul, of course, claims this very thing in the text you cite.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Hi to all , and let me say I believe that the Law is not for Gentiles , unless a Gentile embraced the Law and became a Jew , because today we are saved by Grace . But we do have 2 very interesting verses .

1) In Luke 1:5 , it is talking about Elisabeth and then in verse 6 ; And they were both righeous before God , walking in in ALL the Commandments and Ordinances of the Lord Blameless .

2) Then in Phil 3:6 , concerning zeal , persecuting the assembly ; touching the LAW , Blameless .

Let's read what Paul had to say to some "Gentiles";

Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Now do you think Paul would encourage the Romans to keep this law? Would Paul learn of this law then advise none Jews they did not have to keep it?

And what of the following;

Rom.13
[8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If a person loves one another they are not going to, kill them, steal from them, lie on them, COVET their possesions, or ANY of the other commandments. That is what loving your neighbour as yourself is all about.

Do you think Paul advised the "Gentiles" to keep the above laws?

Let's read what Paul taught others still;

Eph.5
[3] But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
[5] For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.


So ALL saints were to keep these laws!

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[JudaicChristian]

Before people were called Christians they were called converts to Judaism and Jews. Years later they were given the name Christians in Antioch. You guys what to teach without knowing what your scripture says. Oh boy! :crazy

 

[Eccl12and13]

Before people were called Christians they were called converts to Judaism and Jews. Years later they were given the name Christians in Antioch. You guys what to teach without knowing what your scripture says. Oh boy! :crazy

Not sure where you are going with this!

 

[JudaicChristian]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

 

[Eccl12and13]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

Still trying to understand how that ties in with the topic!

 

[Drew]

So ALL saints were to keep these laws!

I see this as being true only in a highly qualified sense.

The Law of Moses - the Torah - was given to Jews and there is powerful evidence that Paul declared the end of the Law of Moses.

There is a sense in which the Law lives on, but not in the form of a written code that regulates our behaviour. Instead, the Law is now "written on our hearts". And this does not mean simply that we have "memorized the code". No - the age of the prescriptive code is over.

Of course we are not to steal, commit adultery, etc. But we are no longer to ground our behaviours in the Law of Moses - we now have the Spirit to guide us.

As for the Romans 7 text, I suggest that Romans 7 is a reflection by Paul on what was the case for the Jew living under the Law of Moses- he is not suggesting that we keep on obeying the Law - earlier in the chapter he declares the Jew is no longer under it.

I believe the Scriptures coherently and consistently declare the end of the written code of the Law of Moses at the cross.

 

[Drew]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

I think that I agree that there is indeed a sense in which this is true, but either way, the Law of Moses, as a written code, has been retired.

 

[JudaicChristian]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

Still trying to understand how that ties in with the topic!

Romans 2:29
No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God.
Ingrafted Branches
Romans 11:11. Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring!
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

All Israel Will Be Saved
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved,...

 

[Eccl12and13]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

I think that I agree that there is indeed a sense in which this is true, but either way, the Law of Moses, as a written code, has been retired.

And yet Jesus says to keep it for eternal life;

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


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[JudaicChristian]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

I think that I agree that there is indeed a sense in which this is true, but either way, the Law of Moses, as a written code, has been retired.

Oh, I thought it was the commandments that were being spoken of. No one said: Moses laws.

 

[Drew]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

I think that I agree that there is indeed a sense in which this is true, but either way, the Law of Moses, as a written code, has been retired.

And yet Jesus says to keep it for eternal life;

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

At the time Jesus had this conversation, the Law of Moses was indeed in force - it is only retired as of the cross. So this conversation really does not undermine the assertion that the Law of Moses has been retired.

 

[Eccl12and13]

"...There is a sense in which the Law lives on, but not in the form of a written code that regulates our behaviour.

Of course we are not to steal, commit adultery, etc...."

So there is a law that lives on, which just happens to say, "do not steal, commit adultery, etc.." that you say we are not to regulate our lives by, but at the same time you say we are not to do the things, ""do not steal, commit adultery, etc.."!

Which is it?

God's laws says do not steal! Either we try our best not to steal or we can say the heck with it, I don't have to regulate, or as Paul said, keep his body under subjection!

So do we try to keep God's laws or not?


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[Drew]

"...There is a sense in which the Law lives on, but not in the form of a written code that regulates our behaviour.

Of course we are not to steal, commit adultery, etc...."

So there is a law that lives on, which just happens to say, "do not steal, commit adultery, etc.." that you say we are not to regulate our lives by, but at the same time you say we are not to do the things, ""do not steal, commit adultery, etc.."!

Which is it?

God's laws says do not steal! Either we try our best not to steal or we can say the heck with it, I don't have to regulate, or as Paul said, keep his body under subjection!

So do we try to keep God's laws or not?

I do not think that you have framed the question properly. Given the promise of the Spirit, we no longer need the written code to regulate behaviour. We still "don't steal", but because the Spirit "prompts us", not because we have to refer to a written code.

 

[Elijah674]

The Eternal Covenant (Heb. 13:20) reached throught/out Immortal Eternity as does the Godhead Theirself! Be sure to take note of the spoken verbal communication seen below!
Gen, 1
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Gen. 2
[15] And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
[16] And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Gen. 3
[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

Gen. 3
[1] Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
[2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
[3] But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
[4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
....

[8] And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
[9] And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
[10] And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
[11] And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
[12] And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
[13] And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
[14] And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[15] And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
....
[22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
[23] Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
[24] So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Gen. 4
[3] And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD.
[4] And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:
[5] But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
[6] And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
[7] If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

And the whole chapter up to verse 17 is a PERSONAL VOICE at least, back & forth in communication between God & Cain. So began satan' first full/fledged convert up to the flood. Take notice the span given satan beore Adam's Son of God came on the scene after Abels death by (satan's Desiree's) Cain.

Gen. 5
[1] This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
[2] Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
[3] And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
.....

[21] And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:
[22] And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:
[23] And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
[24] And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.

Still GOD WAS TALKING TO HIS CREATION!

Gen. 6
[1] And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
[2] That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
[3] And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive [with man,] for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
....

[9] These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. (Acts 5:32! Obeyed MY PERSONAL COMMANDMENTS!)
[10] And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
[11] The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
[12] And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
(Again see Rev. 17:1-5's ABOMINATION OF THE EARTH ones! Well past the 120 years God Documented of the Holy Spirit's STRIVING seen here!)
[13] And [God said] unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

(Even here we see God talking & COMMANDING IN A VOICE exactly what His Truth was to be! AND... GOD SAID UNTO Abram, Get thee OUT OF THY COUNTRY in Gen. 12)..
[1] Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[2] And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[3] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
[4] So Abram departed, as the LORD had spoken unto him; and Lot went with him: and Abram was seventy and five years old when he departed out of Haran.
[5] And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

OK: It takes time for souls to become Born Again CONVERTS. And as Peter tells us by [Holy Spirit's] Inspiration that Noah was 'a preacher of righteousness, so also was Abram with the same ETERNAL GOSPEL OF CHRIST AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS! Rev. 14:6.

And in Gen. we have the Eternal Truth of why God choose Abram in the First Place!
Gen. 26
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

(and this was long long long before their were any highbred Jew on the scene! And again notice that God SPOKE WITH ABRAM (called at that time) WITH [HIS VOICE], [IN COMMANDMENTS, STATUES, AND KEPT (OBEYED!) MY CHARGE].')

[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

OK: Gen. 11:1 we see that the Whole Earth was of ONLY ONE Language before God destroyed the Earth by a flood. And it was the chapter here that told why the one Language was necessary to be confused. But it is on over for Why God quite speaking directly to His own??? And why??? In Exod 20 God gave the Eternal Covenant that had been orally given before, which is now penned by Himself in two tables of stone. Even has the warning in the forth 7th Day Sabbath Command starting with [REMEMBER!] (note Psalms 135 13's BIRTHDAY! Memorial)
This SPEAKING OF GOD was never to be forgotten!

Note: Exod. 19:16-19. And in verses 18
[18] And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.
[19] And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.
[20] And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.
[21] And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
[22] And the LORD said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.
And these were the only Words that the Lord has spoken to mankind! Deut. 5:22-26

Now note this stoppage of God talking as recorded. Deut. 26
[23] And it came to pass, when ye heard the voice out of the midst of the darkness, (for the mountain did burn with fire,) that ye came near unto me, even all the heads of your tribes, and your elders;
[24] And ye said, Behold, the LORD our God hath shewed us his glory and his greatness, and we have heard his voice out of the midst of the fire: we have seen this day that God doth talk with man, and he liveth.
[25] Now therefore why should we die? for this great fire will consume us: if we hear the voice of the LORD our God any more, then we shall die.
[26] For who is there of all flesh, that hath heard the voice of the living God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived?
[27] Go thou near, and hear all that the LORD our God shall say: and speak thou unto us all that the LORD our God shall speak unto thee; and we will hear it, and do it.
[28] And the LORD heard the voice of your words, when ye spake unto me; and the LORD said unto me, I have heard the voice of the words of this people, which they have spoken unto thee: they have well said all that they have spoken.
[29] O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

[30] Go say to them, Get you into your tents again.
[31] But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
[32] Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.
[33] Ye shall walk in all the ways which the LORD your God hath commanded you, that ye may live, and that it may be well with you, and that ye may prolong your days in the land which ye shall possess.

This was when the Nation of Israel came on the scene with the Lord's direct speaking with them individually stopped. And we see.. well at least some few see, what the purpose of Israel was supposed to be.

--Elijah

 

[dan p]

So ALL saints were to keep these laws!

I see this as being true only in a highly qualified sense.

The Law of Moses - the Torah - was given to Jews and there is powerful evidence that Paul declared the end of the Law of Moses.

There is a sense in which the Law lives on, but not in the form of a written code that regulates our behaviour. Instead, the Law is now "written on our hearts". And this does not mean simply that we have "memorized the code". No - the age of the prescriptive code is over.

Of course we are not to steal, commit adultery, etc. But we are no longer to ground our behaviours in the Law of Moses - we now have the Spirit to guide us.

As for the Romans 7 text, I suggest that Romans 7 is a reflection by Paul on what was the case for the Jew living under the Law of Moses- he is not suggesting that we keep on obeying the Law - earlier in the chapter he declares the Jew is no longer under it.

Hi Drew , Paul is the ONLY one that reveals that the Law of Moses has ended and you all should notice that after Acts 16 , Peter is never heard from again and James has replaced Peter in Acts 21:18-21 .

I believe the Scriptures coherently and consistently declare the end of the written code of the Law of Moses at the cross.

 

[Elijah674]

Elijah here: First read 2 Cor. 4:2 to keep us totally honest. And surely there is NO mistake of what Acts 15 is about! It had NOTHING to do with the Godheads Eternal Heb. 13:20 Covenant! (see Isa. 8:20 & 1 John 4:2 for false details!)

Read the whole chapter in context! Verse 1 & verse 5 tells you what the meeting was all about!!! It was Not about the ETERNAL COVENANT OF GOD!!!

It states in Inspiration the Words of Moses LAW. Not the Godheads Royal Law!

And Necessary things?? READ ECCL. 12:13-14! This the WHOLE DUTY OF MAN! Not any Jew either. Man as in Mankind! Which Keep the Commandments of GOD, that is the CONCLUSION OF THE *WHOLE MATTER! FOR GOD WILL BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGEMENT!! Again, for mankind! Nothing to do with the book of Moses law that was put 'IN THE SIDE OF THE ARK'.

Then, meats, blood, and strangled... Where on earth does one see anything like this in the 10 Commandments that God Himself wrote!???????One might have another confused, & conclude faith with shipwreck unless the two Laws are seperated as God has them!?? I suggest that you read Heb. 6:1-6 for this warning for us'ins!, and 2 Peter 2:19-22 & tell us how this is possible with your still unclear posted theology?

OK: Back into Acts 15. Check the center index verses! In Gal. 2:11-14 the issue was with Peter before them all.. over CIRCUMCISION. NOT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS or the SABBATH one that seems to be hated the most by some here. Then come verses 16-18 with more of the works of the ceremonial law.

Take note! There is no WORK in OBEDIENCE OF THE ETERNAL COVENANT!! Christ say that 'IF YE LOVE ME KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS'. That is not BONDAGE WHEN ONES LOVES CHRIST! It is only BONDAGE TO THEM THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BORN AGAIN!!
Gal. 3:10 CALL'S IT THE 'BOOK OF THE LAW'. Again Moses law was written in a book by him & placed in the side of the Ark, not INSIDE where the eternal Covenant of the Godhead was kept. Deut. 31:9 & verses 24-26.

Then we see the Word of bondage, begardly elements and , where unto how ye turn again to the weak and beggarly elements.. Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you'. Gal. 4:9-10 in part. (one can tell God how they can get His eternal Covenant of Heb. 13:20 wound up in that???) Then in Gal. 4:1-4 again we see NOTHING ABOUT THE ETERNAL COVENANT OF THE **GODHEAD!! [CIRCUMCISM]!! Circumcism is again the issue that Paul went up to Jerusalem for in the first place and about the law of Moses is what Inspiration documented!!

Now over in Ephesians 2:13-15 we see the law Moses pointed to CHRIST. (Even Gal. 3:19 told why it was added) Notice verse 15 of Eph. 2, it says 'Having abolished the law of commandments contained in ORDINANCES ...' Again, not the Ten Commandments that God Himself wrote!

Did I miss going back to Acts 15? Well, you look at Acts 21:17-25, and you say that this is about the Covenant of God?? (that is a question!) Paul is telling of the meeting that went on there with the brethren at Jerusalem. '.. how many thousands of the Jews there are which believe; [and they are all zealous of the law: ] WHICH ONE FRIEND!!?? Acts 15:1 & Acts 15:5 had NOTHING to do with the covenant of God. It says circumcism & the *LAW OF MOSES. This is was the problem of the 'thousands of Jews that were there, that were zealous of the law' They knew of Paul having been preaching about what? Notice:

Verse 21 of Acts 21. And see if you can 'ditch' the Eternal Covenant of God by this verse? 'And they are informed of thee, that thou teaches [all Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses], saying that they [ought not to CIRCUMCISE THEIR CHILDREN], NEITHER [TO WALK AFTER THE *CUSTOMS].'

This was Acts 15 TIME FRIEND. Again, you tell Paul that he does away with the Covenant of God! These Jewish converts at Jerusalem had heard about Paul and his (their) problem with Moses law & circumcism, and (for more proof!) Paul even at this time GOOFED BIG TIME! Verse 22-24. And verse 25? Is about God's 10 Commandment law?? NO WAY! (just the Sabbath Day is really what the devil is really after, huh! Dan. 7:25!)

Verse 25 of Acts 21 is all about Acts 15's Circumcism & the Law of Moses!!.

'As touching the Gentile's which believe, we have written and concluded that [they observe [NO SUCH THING,] [/b](no such thing as what? the ONLY THING UNDER CONSIDERATION WAS THE LAW OF MOSES!!) save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.'

If you can find any 'hint' from this that the ten Commandment Everlasting Covenant is or was even attempted to be suggested at here, you are far the worse than that of just not being Born Again! See again Heb. 6:6.

 

[dan p]

Christians are a grafted BRANCH into Judaism.

Hi mdo757 , this subject deserves it own thread ;

#1 , when are we Grafted into Judaism ???

#2 , what is your timeline ?

#3 , And then you will have and answer , how Gentiles are saved under Judaism???

 

[ProphetMark]

"for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, " - Romans 3 v 23.