did God Create evil

[one]

I have allways been taught that evil was a perversion of good and that god did not create evil, and then i read.
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me, I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS" (Isaiah 45:6-7).

this scripture a lone changed the way i look at the word that is Written is the Bible that we read today.
i have many translations and they all read the same (some use differant words) but the meanning is the same.

LIFE IS IN THE WORD
I AM ALIVE
HOW ABOUT YOU

 

[XTruth]

The Hebrew word for create is bara and here it means to bring about; bring into existance. The Hebrew word for evil is ra. It is never rendered sin, but evil (Isa.45:7), calamity (Ps.141:5), adversity (1 Sam.10:19), grief (Neh.2:10), sorrow (Gen.44:29), trouble (Ps.27:4), distress (Neh.2:17), bad (Gen.24:50), affliction (Num.11:11), misery (Eccl.8:6), sore (Dt.6:22), noisome (Eze.14:15), hurt (Gen.26:29), and wrethchedness (Num.11:14).

The idea is that God has made the law of reaping as well as the law of sowing, and evil and bad results will come when men sin. God has decreed that misery, wretchedness, sorrow, trouble, and distress will come as a result of sin (Gal.6:7-8). "Ra" is translated evil 430 times and never w/ the idea that sin is created by God. If men sin and reap for it the responsibility for both is theirs. God simply made the law and penalties for breaking the law which will always be in force.

Gal.6:7-8
7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Jas.1:17
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

 

[Adullam]

God created the posibility of evil by giving us (and angels) the abiblity to disobey.

 

[Jon-Marc]

God did NOT create evil. What He created were beings lesser than Himself with a free will. God's nature does not allow for sin; it is simply not within His nature. However, the beings He created were capable of choosing sin and did and still do. He created them with a free will because He didn't want puppets that served Him only because they had no choice. He wanted us to love and serve Him (or not to) by choice. True worship does not come by forcing it; it comes by having the free will to choose to do it out of love.

 

[Cornelius]

Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil. I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.

 

[AnnieHere]

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these [things]."
-Isaiah 45:7

"The Lord hath made all [things] for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil."
-Proverbs 16:4

God is Sovereign over all. He has foreordained whatever comes to pass; there is a purpose for everything under the heavens (Eccl.3:1). God's Sovereignty is not limited, nor is it given to Him by anyone; it is without limit, and it is God's personal right . SELAH (Rom. 9:20, Is.45:9).

Everything is appointed by God, according to His purpose and good pleasure. Evil and wickedness would not even exist unless it was within the authority and absolute control of God.

"Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created."
-Revelation 4:11

God created evil, but not sin. Sin is a by-product of evil. Yet, God's plan is so perfect: He knows the end from the beginning (Is.46:10), that in everything He shows forth His glory!

"For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Isaiah 55:8-9

"O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!"
-Romans 11:33

 

[Joe67]

Rom 7:21-23
21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. ASV

Only he/she that delights in the law of God after the inward man experiences this revelation of sin and evil. This is the evil of will worship and the sin that it brings forth in voluntary humility.

This is the evil and its sin that is in the religious/humanitarian; he who thinks he loves God with all his heart and his neighbor as himself. Before we can be purified we are led through a time of self-deception; then the Lord gives us repentance again. This is the story of God to us in Ezekiel 16 and 23. The woman found riding upon the beast in Revelation 17 is in the wilderness. She was carried there by eagle's wings in Revelation 12. She held the truth in unrighteousness. She was corrupted through prosperity.

Joe

 

[butxifxnot]

I have allways been taught that evil was a perversion of good and that god did not create evil, and then i read.
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me, I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS" (Isaiah 45:6-7).

this scripture a lone changed the way i look at the word that is Written is the Bible that we read today.
i have many translations and they all read the same (some use differant words) but the meanning is the same.

LIFE IS IN THE WORD
I AM ALIVE
HOW ABOUT YOU

XTruth summed it up expertly.
"Evil" is two different things: it is a concept of that which is depraved, and it is a state of affairs.
Jesus teaches in the new testament for us to "love our enemies, do GOOD to them that hate you."
Love is a feeling, but in the case of something being done, is an action, an act of doing that which benefits another.
"Evil," on the other hand, is an act of doing that which is DISfavorable to a person, such as punishing them or harming them. Rarely does the word "evil" actually mean "wicked."

God does not "create that which is evil". The passage in the OT means He creates calamity against those whom He deems fit.

One, NEVER rely on one single passage to formulate your theology. God works on the premise of TWO or THREE witnesses being a requirement to find the truth. If you can only find one passage that seems to support your theology, then have a long, hard look at it, and be wary of it, because I couldn't name you ONE Bible truth that only has one item of evidence to back it up.

 

[Cornelius]

(1 Sam.16:14) Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord troubled him.

(Jdg.9:22) And Abimelech was prince over Israel three years. (23) And God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech: (24) that the violence done to the threescore and ten sons of Jerubbaal might come, and that their blood might be laid upon Abimelech their brother, who slew them, and upon the men of Shechem, who strengthened his hands to slay his brethren


2 Chr.20:22) And when they began to sing and to praise, the Lord set liars‑in‑wait against the children of Ammon, Moab, and mount Seir, that were come against Judah; and they were smitten. (23) For the children of Ammon and Moab stood up against the inhabitants of mount Seir, utterly to slay and destroy them: and when they had made an end of the inhabitants of Seir, every one helped to destroy another.

 

[Cornelius]

(2 Sam.24:1) And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah.

How did the Lord move David to number Israel?

(1 Chr.21:1) And Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.


(10) And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the Lord, I have sinned greatly in that which I have done….

 

[Adullam]

The Hebrew word for create is bara and here it means to bring about; bring into existance. The Hebrew word for evil is ra. It is never rendered sin, but evil (Isa.45:7), calamity (Ps.141:5), adversity (1 Sam.10:19), grief (Neh.2:10), sorrow (Gen.44:29), trouble (Ps.27:4), distress (Neh.2:17), bad (Gen.24:50), affliction (Num.11:11), misery (Eccl.8:6), sore (Dt.6:22), noisome (Eze.14:15), hurt (Gen.26:29), and wrethchedness (Num.11:14).

The idea is that God has made the law of reaping as well as the law of sowing, and evil and bad results will come when men sin. God has decreed that misery, wretchedness, sorrow, trouble, and distress will come as a result of sin (Gal.6:7-8). "Ra" is translated evil 430 times and never w/ the idea that sin is created by God. If men sin and reap for it the responsibility for both is theirs. God simply made the law and penalties for breaking the law which will always be in force.

Gal.6:7-8
7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Jas.1:17
17Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Good points. However, the tree of the knowledge and good and evil (ra) should be seen in this context as well. When we walk on this level, we are as blind men, stumbling into both good and evil. When we walk in Christ, at the level of the tree of life, we experience the blessing that comes through having sight in the light of the Lord. At this level good and evil no longer affect us. We are plugged into the source of life.

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John

 

[LostSoul]

One,

Many of the others here have provided some very good insight to the question you posed.

Did God create evil?

It is written from the scripture shared above that Yes, He did. For God created both the light and the darkness. Male and female, every walking and slithering or moving thing of this earth. At the same time, as several have already stated...God made each of us, including the Father of Evil Satan himself, with free will.

Ever since the begining of time, God made angels along with human beings, entities of which had the CHOICE to love Him. Rather than simply demanding it or making it thus. So the very heart of all evil, in truth dwelled first within creation, rather than the Creator Himself.

My apologies if I have come across as blunt or offensive. No harm was intended.

May God Bless You

Danielle

 

[Ret]

Did God create evil?

It is written from the scripture shared above that Yes, He did. For God created both the light and the darkness. Male and female, every walking and slithering or moving thing of this earth. At the same time, as several have already stated...

Eccl 7:14
14 In the day of prosperity be happy, But in the day of adversity consider--
God has made the one as well as the other So that man will not discover
anything that will be after him.

Lam 3:37-38
37 Who is there who speaks and it comes to pass,
Unless the Lord has commanded it?
38 Is it not from the mouth of the Most High
That both good and ill go forth?

NASU w/emphasis by Ret

 

[JudaicChristian]

I have allways been taught that evil was a perversion of good and that god did not create evil, and then i read.
"That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me, I am the LORD, and there is none else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, AND CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do ALL THESE THINGS" (Isaiah 45:6-7).

this scripture a lone changed the way i look at the word that is Written is the Bible that we read today.
i have many translations and they all read the same (some use differant words) but the meanning is the same.

LIFE IS IN THE WORD
I AM ALIVE
HOW ABOUT YOU

Sometimes scripture is not correctly translated. God does not do evil, but he may cause harm for a good reason. Always remember this verse: Job 34:10
"So listen to me, you men of understanding. Far be it from God to do evil, from the Almighty to do wrong.

 

[one]

One,

Many of the others here have provided some very good insight to the question you posed.

Did God create evil?

It is written from the scripture shared above that Yes, He did. For God created both the light and the darkness. Male and female, every walking and slithering or moving thing of this earth. At the same time, as several have already stated...God made each of us, including the Father of Evil Satan himself, with free will.

Ever since the begining of time, God made angels along with human beings, entities of which had the CHOICE to love Him. Rather than simply demanding it or making it thus. So the very heart of all evil, in truth dwelled first within creation, rather than the Creator Himself.

My apologies if I have come across as blunt or offensive. No harm was intended.

May God Bless You

Danielle

Lostlamb and forum friends i am new to this forum thing and i think i posed a queastion that i really ment to be a statement.
lostlamb no apologies needed, there a differance in bold and blunt, and the words of our savior tell us that offence will come

 

[Joe67]

Evil is the bitterness of time. When we would do good is the sweetness of time.

Rom 7:22
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: ASV

Ps 19:10
sweeter also than honey and the droppings of the honeycomb. ASV

Rev 10:9-11
9 And I went unto the angel, saying unto him that he should give me the little book. And he saith unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but in thy mouth it shall be sweet as honey.

10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and when I had eaten it, my belly was made bitter.

11 And they say unto me, Thou must prophesy again over many peoples and nations and tongues and kings. ASV

This is the maturity. This is when we are given to repent again, for the children that the Lord has given us. Sweetness and bitterness together in one new man apart from time.

Joe