DID GOD know Adam would sin?

[enlightened]

To say that GOD knew Adam would sin, is to say HE tempted Adam by putting something before him that he could not have. This is unjust, which GOD is not. Certainly, it seems to be the case that GOD did do just that because HE forbade Adam from eating the fruit from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil; however, i will prove to you that HE did not tempt Adam in any way, not even by the tree forbiddened. GOD tempts no man; and i believe GOD gave Adam every reason not to sin.

Consider: (GENESIS 2)
GOD gave Adam the promise of a life eternal from the Beginning, but Adam would have to sin tio lose it. So once Adam died spiritually the moment the ate the 'forbidden' fruit, which was the promise, he lost his opportunity for eternal life. And since GOD never made mention of another opportunity for an eternal life, and Adam made no attempt to confess or repent of his sin, all that was left for Adam was to die physically, and his soul would go to hell.

By GENESIS 2:9, there were two trees in the center (midst) of the Garden; and by REVELATION 22:1-3, the TREE of LIFE appears as two trees, between which flows the RIVER of LIFE. Since the Garden is eternal, as well as it contents, these 'two' trees are both the TREE of LIFE; therefore, evern though Adam could not eat from one of the trees, he could freely eat from the other. Wherefore then should Adam be tempted to eat a fruit from the forbidden tree (of which there are twelve, each growing in their seasons), when he already had the same fruit on the other tree he could freely eat from? The promise of death was even a great detractor to Adam to not eat the forbidden fruit.

Since the two trees are the same, the forbidden tree was just as pleasant as the other one, their fruits were exactly the same and good to eat, and the forbidden one could not have had some special power to impart some special knowledge of god and evil, because, since both trees were the same, the other tree would have done the same thing too, which is did not. As long as Adam did not eat from the forbidden tree, his conscience told him he was doing good; however, the moment he sinned by eating, his conscience was immediatley convicted of sin (evil): and that is all there was to it. The problem with Adam is that he overthought the simplicity of the promise and decieved himself.

GOD gave Adam a promise of an eternal life, possesssion and benefit of GOD's
Garden, possession and dominion over the earth, a wife, and a perfect body and soul; what then did he put before Adam that Adam could not have, or what was left to keep from Adam? Nothing at all. This is LOVE GOD showed Adam, for GOD provided Adam all things created upon the earth. This is JUST.

So, then, if GOD gave Adam a promise of an eternal life that he could not have, GOD was unjust; or if the two trees in the center of the Garden are differnet in any way, then GOD tempted Adam. This is impossible.

 

[Carolyn]

God permitted Adam to be tempted by satan. If you were to read Job, satan had to get permission from God before he could put Job through
trials. God's perfect plan was for Adam and Even to resist the temptation or trying of their faith. But He had a contigancy plan. He had planned
before the foundation of the world that His Son should die in our place so thay we who rely on Him might be saved. It was according to His forknowledge that we would all be compromised by the lies of satan that He created plan B. True, it was the wife that brough Adam down.

This just shows that we wives have a lot of influence on our husbands, and that it is the responsibility of the man to choose the godliest wife he can find, not the best looking. Adam didnt overthink. Perhaps he allowed his hormones do his thinking for him. And the next thing he did was
to say "God, this woman THAT YOU GAVE ME". He didn't take responsibility for his actions. Perhaps if he had repented right there, instead of
blaming God, his punishment would have been less severe. We don't know. We just know from history that repentance makes a big difference
in our lives. Of course, Eve should have repented, too, but the Bible puts the blame on Adam.

 

[Vanguard]

To say that GOD knew Adam would sin, is to say HE tempted Adam by putting something before him that he could not have. This is unjust, which GOD is not.

So, then, if GOD gave Adam a promise of an eternal life that he could not have, GOD was unjust; or if the two trees in the center of the Garden are differnet in any way, then GOD tempted Adam. This is impossible.

While you make some pretty good points in your argument, there are some flaws:

1. For starters, Christians and Jews alike view God as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. God knew what would happen long before it happened.

2. To say that God is "just" means that God is fair. It doesn't mean that there won't be any type of temptation, tests or trials of faith/obedience.

3. Humans, given free will, make their own choices. Adam and Eve gave in and made a choice.

4. Nothing is impossible by way of God.

5. You make a lot of assumptions based off personal opinion. This is a very dangerous approach to theology and apologetics.

 

[Aloysium]

So, then, if GOD gave Adam a promise of an eternal life that he could not have, GOD was unjust; or if the two trees in the center of the Garden are differnet in any way, then GOD tempted Adam. This is impossible.

how does one understand God?

God knew what would happen long before it happened.

i agree but disagree:

All time is available to God
He sits at the beginning, middle and end
From the Centre of the wheel of time, He met Adam at some point on the rim
Still transcending time, He would know what Adam would choose
but in that moment, Adam had a choice, it all could have happened otherwise (imho)
but he chose to eat the fruit
until he chose, how would God know the outcome?

 

[enlightened]

If GOD knew Adam would sin, then HE knew we all would sin (by your rationale); therefore, by you thinking, since HE knew before HE created anything that most of mankind would end up in the LAKE of FIRE, then HE created man just to destroy the most of them. Is this a merciful GOD, to create just to destroy and condemn forever? It would nave been more merciful not to createman at all. Furthermore, if GOD knew all things ahead of time, such as the days of Noah and the Flood, then, at that time, why did HE repent for having made man, and why was HE so grieved in HIS heart, since HE knew that day was already coming (GENESIS 6:6)? You do not justify GOD at all of anything HE did in the Beginning, which is the problem with most peoples interpretations or beliefs about GOD.

Scripture never says GOD is fair, but HE IS JUST, and HE must always be so.

 

[Vanguard]

If GOD knew Adam would sin, then HE knew we all would sin (by your rationale); therefore, by you thinking, since HE knew before HE created anything that most of mankind would end up in the LAKE of FIRE, then HE created man just to destroy the most of them. Is this a merciful GOD, to create just to destroy and condemn forever? It would nave been more merciful not to createman at all. Furthermore, if GOD knew all things ahead of time, such as the days of Noah and the Flood, then, at that time, why did HE repent for having made man, and why was HE so grieved in HIS heart, since HE knew that day was already coming (GENESIS 6:6)? You do not justify GOD at all of anything HE did in the Beginning, which is the problem with most peoples interpretations or beliefs about GOD.

Scripture never says GOD is fair, but HE IS JUST, and HE must always be so.

Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

I refuse to do this...

:fight


Moving on to another thread.

 

[Tri Unity]

While you make some pretty good points in your argument, there are some flaws:

1. For starters, Christians and Jews alike view God as omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. God knew what would happen long before it happened.

I agree with this statement. Nothing else needs to be added. If God did not know that Satan would fall, or that Adam would fall, then God does not know everything. The message contained in the fall is factual; but it does not contain the complete picture. It does not mention that Christ was predestined before the foundation of the world; as were those whom He ordained to be with him. It does not mention the great marriage feast of Christ to the bride. The picture shown in revelation demonstrates what the purpose was in the first place, and how God's will takes place. The in-between bits build up to a crescendo - Adam represents Christ... Eve represents the bride... eternal life represents the first resurrection... the trees represent our own trials... the fall represents our tribulations... the serpent represents the adversary of life...

The earth that was designed was built as a temporary battlefield for us to battle our demons. God made drugs and alcohol, snakes and spiders, mosquitoes and flies, viruses and bacteria. These were designed for mankinds trial. The entire earth was designed for this... Satan was part of God's design to simulate the adversary. We are all tested through free will to choose to follow and love God. We are free to choose otherwise, for that is the reason everyone is born and lives. Even the aborted and invalids are given a soul and paid a penalty of death so as to receive a new resurrection body that we are all promised to receive. That body will be the reward for our faithfulness - the less sin the less punishment. Not everyone is punished the same... an innocent baby is not punished the same as a serial killer. The punishment (and reward) will be reflected in our resurrection bodies. We are given a new body which reflects our life now. This is not by accident. Satan and Adam did not catch God by surprise. They were part of the intended plan for all of us. The real life begins after this one. This life is equivalent to our Learners Drivers licence. We now learn to drive - and the lessons of failure are imprinted on our soul forever. That is why hell is spoken of in that way... It is not literally flames - who do you think God is - worse than a serial killer? Hellfire and the Lake of Fire are symbols of the eternal state we receive with our failure imprinted on our soul. Only Christ can save us from that. Everyone will receive a resurrection body - only those who receive Christ will be saved from the stain of sin imprinted on our eternal souls.

God Bless