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Did Jeremiah 4:23-28 Take Place Already ?

George I have always used this Scripture, it keeps me from going crazy when I can't answer something in the Bible.

1. Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
 
Gabbylittleangel said:
Georges said:
...strange things of that nature that would support the possibility of a pre Gen 1:2 existence...

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Gen 2:1-2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

George,
perhaps the pre Gen1:2 existence was created by someone other than God. God started at the beginning.(Gen 1:1) and he ended his work on the sixth day. You have got to cross out a lot of Scriptures and pencil in your own doctrine to keep going with this thought.

And behold, it was very good. For it to be very good, it was not yet in the hands of the enemy of the cross.


Not at all....Using a lexicon or concordance, you can make a case for this...

Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was (had become) without form, and (was made) void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

was [01961] hayah


Pronunciation Guide
hayah {haw-yaw}

TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 491 a primitive root [compare 01933]
Part of Speech
v
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out
a) (Qal)

1) -----

a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass

b) to come about, come to pass

2) to come into being, become

a) to arise, appear, come

b) to become

1) to become

2) to become like

3) to be instituted, be established

3) to be

a) to exist, be in existence

b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)

c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality)

d) to accompany, be with

b) (Niphal)

1) to occur, come to pass, be done, be brought about

2) to be done, be finished, be gone


It appears a case can be made that the formed earth became without form....meaning, an already formed earth (Gen 1:1) had become without form again...as in destroyed by water.

without form....

tohuw {to'-hoo}

TWOT Reference Root Word
TWOT - 2494a from an unused root meaning to lie waste
Part of Speech
n m
Outline of Biblical Usage
1) formlessness, confusion, unreality, emptiness

a) formlessness (of primeval earth)

1) nothingness, empty space

b) that which is empty or unreal (of idols) (fig)

c) wasteland, wilderness (of solitary places)

d) place of chaos

e) vanity


I think a good case that Gen 1:1-2 can read....

Gen 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the planet had become formless, and was made wasteland; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

My opinion only...based on the definitions for the Hebrew words for "without" and "form".
 
Lewis W said:
George I have always used this Scripture, it keeps me from going crazy when I can't answer something in the Bible.

1. Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Too late for me, I'm already crazy.... :silly: :-D


The secret things....fun for me to try and figure out....
 
What are you all missing and why are you missing it?

An example would be a coal miner breaking open a lump of Coal to find a cup...strange things of that nature that would support the possibility of a pre Gen 1:2 existence...
:o

Again I will ask, how could this (above) be if Genesis says this (below)?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Without form... VOID... DARKNESS! No light until verse 3. No dry land until verse 9.

I guess this civilization was aquatic and relied on sonar to "light the way". :-?
 
Lewis W said:
Wow I was going to put something in that post. But yeah George many things in the Bible can be a challenge to figure out. I like it, but sometimes it can be ruff.
Maybe there are some things God didn't want us to figure out, knowing full well it would occupy much too much of our time that can be better used to HIS Glory. I don't know, but if we don't believe the Bible from it's very beginning, when and where DO we start believing it?
 
vic said:
What are you all missing and why are you missing it?
Vic,
It appears as if they are basing the entire doctrine on two verses. Ignoring things like:
Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
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Of course, I have not looked it up in the original language. Perhaps six does not really mean six and days does not really mean days. Keep in mind, that if we convert to the day/age theory, then we don't get a day off once a week.
 
vic said:
What are you all missing and why are you missing it?

An example would be a coal miner breaking open a lump of Coal to find a cup...strange things of that nature that would support the possibility of a pre Gen 1:2 existence...
:o

Sorry....after researching it it was a pot.....type in pot and coal in Yahoo and many sites will come up with the info...

Again I will ask, how could this (above) be if Genesis says this (below)?

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Without form... VOID... DARKNESS! No light until verse 3. No dry land until verse 9.

Vic...I posted the possible answer 2 or 3 posts back....Void...in Hebrew...can mean wasteland etc....a preflood civilazation destroyed and an earth rebuilt...

I guess this civilization was aquatic and relied on sonar to "light the way". :-?

Nah...Vic as you know in bible prohecy, the sun ain't gonna shine forever, God will be our light....it is possible that it was that way pre Gen 1:2...

Just a possiblity...
 
Vic...I posted the possible answer 2 or 3 posts back....Void...in Hebrew...can mean wasteland etc....a preflood civilazation destroyed and an earth rebuilt...
Hey! Did Rashi say that too? lol 8-)
 
vic said:
Vic...I posted the possible answer 2 or 3 posts back....Void...in Hebrew...can mean wasteland etc....a preflood civilazation destroyed and an earth rebuilt...
Hey! Did Rashi say that too? lol 8-)

Vic,
I am thinking of starting a petition to ban Dr. Seuss "Horton Hears a Who"
I am concerned that someone may try to wedge it in between a couple of verses.
 
WOOOOOOOOOOOO WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!! what did I start here. Vic is talking about a little time off. But hey I understand that, sometimes this board wears me down. But the bottom line is believe the Bible, and there are things in there that we just are not going to figure out. Deuteronomy 29:29
 
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