Did the Devil tempt God?

[Georges]

Another thread prompted this for me to ask....

When the Devil tempted Jesus, how come he did not recognize Jesus as God?

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, Satan acted as if Jesus wasn't God. Jesus didn't claim to be God, and the Devil didn't recognize him to be God. In all the years Satan dealt with God...(ie Job) they were face to face....It is hard for me to believe that Satan didn't recognize Jesus as God...did he have amnesia?

Notice the wording....The devil said "If you are the Son of God, cast....", he didn't say "If you are God the Son, cast...".

Even Satan realized that Jesus was the Son of God, and not God the Son. The Spirit led Jesus to be tempted....Can God be tempted? NO.....therefore, Jesus isn't God (Jehovah). However, Jesus is God in the sense of Agency. As the Agent, he can be tempted.


Just an observation.

 

[John the Baptist]

Am I to take the 'hobby/horse' bait? All should know where your 'posting' hobby/horse wisdom comes from? (See the below doctrine? NO personal offence meant) But give us some wisdom from the Jeremiah 17:5 arm of flesh on what your post is just 'desiring' to say to us, of the devil's ignorance of Jesus position on earth???

"What have we to do with thee, [Jesus,] THOU SON OF GOD? art Thou come hither to torment us before our time?"

Or:

"And there was in the synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying, let [us alone]; what have we to do with thee, [thou Jesus of Nazareth? [IKNOW THEE, WHO THOU ART, THE HOLY ONE OF GOD]. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him."

Friends: Sincerely! I have no desire to 'chat' from here on with this poster.
But, it all depends from which side of Christ's birth one looks at! Psalm 2:7 or Hebrews 1:1-5

---John

 

[Georges]

Am I to take the 'hobby/horse' bait? All should know where your 'posting' hobby/horse wisdom comes from? (See the below doctrine? NO personal offence meant) But give us some wisdom from the Jeremiah 17:5 arm of flesh on what your post is just 'desiring' to say to us, of the devil's ignorance of Jesus position on earth???

"What have we to do with thee, [Jesus,] THOU SON OF GOD? art Thou come hither to torment us before our time?"

Or:

"And there was in the synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying, let [us alone]; what have we to do with thee, [thou Jesus of Nazareth? [IKNOW THEE, WHO THOU ART, THE HOLY ONE OF GOD]. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him."

Friends: Sincerely! I have no desire to 'chat' from here on with this poster.
But, it all depends from which side of Christ's birth one looks at! Psalm 2:7 or Hebrews 1:1-5

---John

John and I appreciate that....and please feel free to refrain from posting to this poster as often as you like... :-D

Thanks for referencing the scripture that also makes my point....I was going to reference them also, but wanted to keep it at the devil...the one who actually speaks to God face to face...

Job 1:6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

As far as the Jeremiah ref.. :silly:

 

[Vic C.]

Maybe Satan wasn't privy to all information concerning the Godhead. Maybe the reason he didn't see Jesus as God was because it was "hidden" from him, or was never reveald to him in the first place. I'd try to hide my identity from hin too if I was God. :wink:

 

[Solo]

Another thread prompted this for me to ask....

When the Devil tempted Jesus, how come he did not recognize Jesus as God?

When Jesus was tempted by Satan, Satan acted as if Jesus wasn't God. Jesus didn't claim to be God, and the Devil didn't recognize him to be God. In all the years Satan dealt with God...(ie Job) they were face to face....It is hard for me to believe that Satan didn't recognize Jesus as God...did he have amnesia?

Notice the wording....The devil said "If you are the Son of God, cast....", he didn't say "If you are God the Son, cast...".

Even Satan realized that Jesus was the Son of God, and not God the Son. The Spirit led Jesus to be tempted....Can God be tempted? NO.....therefore, Jesus isn't God (Jehovah). However, Jesus is God in the sense of Agency. As the Agent, he can be tempted.


Just an observation.

Satan isn't the only one that does not recognize Jesus as God. Satan's children do not recognize Jesus as God either.

 

[SputnikBoy]

George, would you mind responding to my PM ...you may not have noticed it. :fadein:

 

[Lewis]

The devil and his demons always knew who Jesus was, remember they were in heaven with Him at one time.

"And there was in the synagogue a man with an unclean spirit; and he cried out, Saying, let [us alone]; what have we to do with thee, [thou Jesus of Nazareth? [IKNOW THEE, WHO THOU ART, THE HOLY ONE OF GOD]. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him."

 

[Solo]

Well I guess satan knew or else he wouldn't have tempted Jesus in the manner that he tempted him. I guess he just forgot to tell his children. :wink:

 

[Georges]

Maybe Satan wasn't privy to all information concerning the Godhead. Maybe the reason he didn't see Jesus as God was because it was "hidden" from him, or was never reveald to him in the first place. I'd try to hide my identity from hin too if I was God. :wink:

Vic....funny you mention that, as I've wondered the same..according to the http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com article on Messiah...it states the Messiah was created by God and hidden in/under his throne...Satan upon approaching God asked God what the bright light under the throne was...God responded that it was the Messiah who would bring Satan down...or words to that effect....it is an interesting read.

 

[Georges]

George, would you mind responding to my PM ...you may not have noticed it. :fadein:

Sput...I don't know what happened but it's not there...will you resend?

 

[Georges]

Well I guess satan knew or else he wouldn't have tempted Jesus in the manner that he tempted him. I guess he just forgot to tell his children. :wink:

Certainly if he knew Jesus was God, he wouldn't have tempted him in any way...Now, if Jesus is a man....a man can be tempted...

 

[Solo]

Well I guess satan knew or else he wouldn't have tempted Jesus in the manner that he tempted him. I guess he just forgot to tell his children. :wink:

Certainly if he knew Jesus was God, he wouldn't have tempted him in any way...Now, if Jesus is a man....a man can be tempted...

Satan didn't know God well enough, or he wouldn't have allowed himself to fall from God's presence by failing to be a godly creation.

I suspect that if satan knew that Jesus' crucifixion would defeat him and send him to everlasting torment and punishment, that he would still be attempting to keep Jesus alive today.

Since he was overcome and defeated by his own ignorance of God, he now continues to deceive mankind of the deity of Jesus Christ.

 

[John the Baptist]

Vic....funny you mention that, as I've wondered the same..according to the http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com article on Messiah...it states the Messiah was created by God and hidden in/under his throne...Satan upon approaching God asked God what the bright light under the throne was...God responded that it was the Messiah who would bring Satan down...or words to that effect....it is an interesting read.
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George

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Same Very Old History forum! (the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & the Ecclesiastes 3:15 verses) Not much differant than Rome's many beloved traditions of the Arm of Flesh! (the same 'bottom/line' bed/partners)

Except it continues on a piece with satan still working & knowing full well the Everlasting Gospel plan! (of even Ezekiels 28's covering cherub) We see from Cain, satans first convert to the many of his future Arm Of Flesh ones, as seen in Jeremiah 17:5 on. Here we see just another 'place to go to find' an satanic 'arm' used to explain how 'c'hrist was created.

What folks are doing is going directly on the devil's ground (notice.. the post says: 'it is an interesting read.') full well knowing what Eve did, and whom she was talking to! But, perhaps with just a tad bit more, huh? Curious to chat with one who was created by Christ God to just see what he has to say! :roll:

One can not know any 'posters heart or mind', yet, ALL OF these post's end on the same thread subject of ANTI/CHRIST/ISM! But here we see it attacks the total Godhead! Matthew 12:32-33. See Colossians 2:9, Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, 1 John 5:7, and John concludes with the 'many deceivers' of 2 John 1:7-11 of [being PARTAKERS!] Had you ever wondered what a person becomes when the Holy Spirit leaves him? Satan then has total control as did he of Cain.

Yet, on this forum, we even see the 'posters' violating the Owners Statement of Faith with no problem? And as said, this sound like satans broken record of christ is created just as I was, christ was created, as I was, all posting lead to this ONE HOBBY HORSE satanic stuff! And they seem to be treated with satanic royalty? Our rules only apply to others, not satans jesuit tactics. of 2 Corinthians 4:2 with the previous one of Jer. 17:5.

(Oh, and Vic, is the guy putting word's in your mouth, or is this your thinking? :wink

Whatever?? You all can have these 'desire'..eees of Genesis 4:7 VAIN hobby/horse postings!
But you 'ain't seen nut'in' yet, fascinated class?? : (in other words this guy's 'words' are an [open fake] and is not one of these seen in Matthew 24:24! but just an Titus 3:9-11 VAIN repetition.)

---John

 

[Georges]

Well I guess satan knew or else he wouldn't have tempted Jesus in the manner that he tempted him. I guess he just forgot to tell his children. :wink:

Certainly if he knew Jesus was God, he wouldn't have tempted him in any way...Now, if Jesus is a man....a man can be tempted...

Satan didn't know God well enough, or he wouldn't have allowed himself to fall from God's presence by failing to be a godly creation.

I suspect that if satan knew that Jesus' crucifixion would defeat him and send him to everlasting torment and punishment, that he would still be attempting to keep Jesus alive today.

Did the crucifixion beat him? God could not have destroyed Satan at his whim? He needed Jesus to die on the cross to defeat him...? What nonsense.,.If God needed Jesus to defeat Satan by dieing on the cross, then God is not as powerful as he seems.....I happen to think God is that powerful.....Jesus was a man and God allowed Satan to tempt him to prove that he was worthy of being the Messiah...

Since he was overcome and defeated by his own ignorance of God, he now continues to deceive mankind of the deity of Jesus Christ.

Satan was ignorant of God....I don't think so...that's a laugh...Satan is ignorant of God yet you have it all figured out....Solo, I know you think you are pretty sharp, but I think Satan is much smarter...with all due respect of course...

Solo....can't win on this....

 

[Georges]

Vic....funny you mention that, as I've wondered the same..according to the http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com article on Messiah...it states the Messiah was created by God and hidden in/under his throne...Satan upon approaching God asked God what the bright light under the throne was...God responded that it was the Messiah who would bring Satan down...or words to that effect....it is an interesting read.
_________________
George

***
Same Very Old History forum! (the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & the Ecclesiastes 3:15 verses) Not much differant than Rome's many beloved traditions of the Arm of Flesh! (the same 'bottom/line' bed/partners)

Except it continues on a piece with satan still working & knowing full well the Everlasting Gospel plan! (of even Ezekiels 28's covering cherub) We see from Cain, satans first convert to the many of his future Arm Of Flesh ones, as seen in Jeremiah 17:5 on. Here we see just another 'place to go to find' an satanic 'arm' used to explain how 'c'hrist was created.

What folks are doing is going directly on the devil's ground (notice.. the post says: 'it is an interesting read.') full well knowing what Eve did, and whom she was talking to! But, perhaps with just a tad bit more, huh? Curious to chat with one who was created by Christ God to just see what he has to say! :roll:

One can not know any 'posters heart or mind', yet, ALL OF these post's end on the same thread subject of ANTI/CHRIST/ISM! But here we see it attacks the total Godhead! Matthew 12:32-33. See Colossians 2:9, Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, 1 John 5:7, and John concludes with the 'many deceivers' of 2 John 1:7-11 of [being PARTAKERS!] Had you ever wondered what a person becomes when the Holy Spirit leaves him? Satan then has total control as did he of Cain.

Yet, on this forum, we even see the 'posters' violating the Owners Statement of Faith with no problem? And as said, this sound like satans broken record of christ is created just as I was, christ was created, as I was, all posting lead to this ONE HOBBY HORSE satanic stuff! And they seem to be treated with satanic royalty? Our rules only apply to others, not satans jesuit tactics. of 2 Corinthians 4:2 with the previous one of Jer. 17:5.

(Oh, and Vic, is the guy putting word's in your mouth, or is this your thinking? :wink

Whatever?? You all can have these 'desire'..eees of Genesis 4:7 VAIN hobby/horse postings!
But you 'ain't seen nut'in' yet, fascinated class?? : (in other words this guy's 'words' are an [open fake] and is not one of these seen in Matthew 24:24! but just an Titus 3:9-11 VAIN repetition.)

---John

John....thought you weren't going to post anymore.....

 

[John the Baptist]

Vic....funny you mention that, as I've wondered the same..according to the http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com article on Messiah...it states the Messiah was created by God and hidden in/under his throne...Satan upon approaching God asked God what the bright light under the throne was...God responded that it was the Messiah who would bring Satan down...or words to that effect....it is an interesting read.
_________________
George

***
Same Very Old History forum! (the Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 & the Ecclesiastes 3:15 verses) Not much differant than Rome's many beloved traditions of the Arm of Flesh! (the same 'bottom/line' bed/partners)

Except it continues on a piece with satan still working & knowing full well the Everlasting Gospel plan! (of even Ezekiels 28's covering cherub) We see from Cain, satans first convert to the many of his future Arm Of Flesh ones, as seen in Jeremiah 17:5 on. Here we see just another 'place to go to find' an satanic 'arm' used to explain how 'c'hrist was created.

What folks are doing is going directly on the devil's ground (notice.. the post says: 'it is an interesting read.') full well knowing what Eve did, and whom she was talking to! But, perhaps with just a tad bit more, huh? Curious to chat with one who was created by Christ God to just see what he has to say! :roll:

One can not know any 'posters heart or mind', yet, ALL OF these post's end on the same thread subject of ANTI/CHRIST/ISM! But here we see it attacks the total Godhead! Matthew 12:32-33. See Colossians 2:9, Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, 1 John 5:7, and John concludes with the 'many deceivers' of 2 John 1:7-11 of [being PARTAKERS!] Had you ever wondered what a person becomes when the Holy Spirit leaves him? Satan then has total control as did he of Cain.

Yet, on this forum, we even see the 'posters' violating the Owners Statement of Faith with no problem? And as said, this sound like satans broken record of christ is created just as I was, christ was created, as I was, all posting lead to this ONE HOBBY HORSE satanic stuff! And they seem to be treated with satanic royalty? Our rules only apply to others, not satans jesuit tactics. of 2 Corinthians 4:2 with the previous one of Jer. 17:5.

(Oh, and Vic, is the guy putting word's in your mouth, or is this your thinking? :wink

Whatever?? You all can have these 'desire'..eees of Genesis 4:7 VAIN hobby/horse postings!
But you 'ain't seen nut'in' yet, fascinated class?? : (in other words this guy's 'words' are an [open fake] and is not one of these seen in Matthew 24:24! but just an Titus 3:9-11 VAIN repetition.)

---John

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PS: The guy can't read well either! Go back at the start... FORUM!! :fadein:
Same Very Old History forum!

 

[undertow]

Matthew 4:8-9 KJV Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

This is a very strange way to tempt Jesus if the devil knows that he is God. Why would the devil try and tempt God by offering him something (kingdoms of the world) that was all created by God in the first place? Jesus could have said, "Thanks, but I already own all the kingdoms of the world, I actually made them you know."

 

[John the Baptist]

Matthew 4:8-9 KJV Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

This is a very strange way to tempt Jesus if the devil knows that he is God. Why would the devil try and tempt God by offering him something (kingdoms of the world) that was all created by God in the first place? Jesus could have said, "Thanks, but I already own all the kingdoms of the world, I actually made them you know."

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Forum: Is this post for real??? Maybe future convert 'material' for someone? :roll:

It it impossible for anyone to know & understand that Lucifer (satan, devil, serpent & on) was the covering cherub over the MERCY SEAT in heaven's Throne Room before he fell????????????
I doubt that many know what that Mercy Seat meant, huh?

You think that he did not understand what the Godhead were going to do? What about the %50 from the 1/3 that fell, does one believe that they did not have PROPHETIC FAITH in Christ & the Eternal Plan of Salvation?

OK: Christ came as God/Man to prove that Adam was created by the Godhead perfect! And that there was NO REASON for him to fall! Christ was the second Adam as man. He lived with only the power that Adam had before the fall. He did not only come to save repentant man, but to prove that sin was not necessary in Their free will 'perfect' creation. And They proved this through Christ, and to ALL of Their creation! Other worlds twice stated in Heb.'s & to All angels, the unfallen & the fallen! See Nahum 1:9

And sure satan was familiar with most of this. If he could have won out over the Christ God of the Eternal universe, he would have proved the Godhead wrong. Which he was wanting! Instead, now he is doomed with all of his converts! See Revelation 20:10-15.

---John

 

[JM]

Did someone say, "hypostatic union?" Which is the "mode of being by which any substantial existence is given an independent and distinct individuality." New Standard Dictionary This doctrine is about the diety and humanity of Christ "and the preservation of each of these two natures without confusion or alteration of them and their unity." Chafer, Systematic Theology

 

[Vic C.]

Did someone say, "hypostatic union?"

Ya know, lol, that term has been running through my head for DAYS! :o 8-)