[_ Old Earth _] dinosaur were ancestors of birds

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"The first dinosaur eggs found complete with shells in the body of the mother has solved the long-standing mystery of how dinosaurs laid their eggs. The evidence shows they laid a clutch in a series of sittings, like birds, rather than all at once like crocodiles and other living reptiles."

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns? ... news_rss20

 

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Hi Rez...Is there some reason you haven't responded to my posts below? :

 

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Hi Rez...Is there some reason you haven't responded to my posts below? :

Where are they?

 

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They were below in the forum:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 1&start=30

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=14487

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=13645

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=14677

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=15025

 

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They were below in the forum:
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 1&start=30

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=14487

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=13645

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=14677

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=15025

All your anweres have already been answered in many of my posts or you can simply go to your local library for the answers. The facts and evidence in all cases don't support your beliefs.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

All your anweres have already been answered in many of my posts or you can simply go to your local library for the answers. The facts and evidence in all cases don't support your beliefs.

Wow. I never heard anyone on a forum try to pull that off as a legitimate answer. ‘Go read my 1620 other posts on the topic, check out the entire library and get back to me.’ You could at least cut and paste one of your more brilliant examples for my efforts. If not, let me just say that I’ve read all that stuff and refuted it completely on other forums and you can do a web search and find your arguments have been soundly defeated by reason and common sense. Not only that but you can take all that info and dig up your own hard evidence out of the earth yourself, now that you have learned the proper way of viewing it. :wink:

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

All your anweres have already been answered in many of my posts or you can simply go to your local library for the answers. The facts and evidence in all cases don't support your beliefs.

Wow. I never heard anyone on a forum try to pull that off as a legitimate answer. ‘Go read my 1620 other posts on the topic, check out the entire library and get back to me.’ :

Sorry I just don't have the time to go back and repost all that I have posted thus far. If you have 1620 posts whoopie for you. If you really want to know the truth about something it is as close as your local library or many of the reputable websites that post known and proven facts which again are verifiable from any good library. As I said many times before it is a free country and you can believe or disbelieve anything you want but when hard evidence is staring you in the face and you choose to disbelieve you do so not because of the evidence but in spite of it.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

Sorry I just don't have the time to go back and repost all that I have posted thus far. If you have 1620 posts whoopie for you. If you really want to know the truth about something it is as close as your local library or many of the reputable websites that post known and proven facts which again are verifiable from any good library. As I said many times before it is a free country and you can believe or disbelieve anything you want but when hard evidence is staring you in the face and you choose to disbelieve you do so not because of the evidence but in spite of it.

You had the 1620 previous posts, not me. If you only had a few select posts, I might go back and hunt down your opinions on the topics that you started. If you had no interest in continuing to discuss the topics, why bother to post a new topic about it?

As I said before, the evidence is in favor of a famine, an extensive world tsunami flooding followed by a catastrophic world wide flood, followed by plate shifting upheavals, mud slides, volcanic activity, planet tilting wide-ranging freezes of the poles and more shifting and tsunami as the planet settled down for 4000 years of relative calm with localized floods and occasional minor catastrophes and earth shifting events. That sounds like what the Bible describes to me.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

Sorry I just don't have the time to go back and repost all that I have posted thus far. If you have 1620 posts whoopie for you. If you really want to know the truth about something it is as close as your local library or many of the reputable websites that post known and proven facts which again are verifiable from any good library. As I said many times before it is a free country and you can believe or disbelieve anything you want but when hard evidence is staring you in the face and you choose to disbelieve you do so not because of the evidence but in spite of it.

You had the 1620 previous posts, not me. If you only had a few select posts, I might go back and hunt down your opinions on the topics that you started. If you had no interest in continuing to discuss the topics, why bother to post a new topic about it?

As I said before, the evidence is in favor of a famine, an extensive world tsunami flooding followed by a catastrophic world wide flood, followed by plate shifting upheavals, mud slides, volcanic activity, planet tilting wide-ranging freezes of the poles and more shifting and tsunami as the planet settled down for 4000 years of relative calm with localized floods and occasional minor catastrophes and earth shifting events. That sounds like what the Bible describes to me.
The only thing I see wrong in your last paragraph is an extensive world tsunami. I believe that would be impossible and even if it were possible it is not a evidence of Noahs flood as described in the bible. As to the other disasters you highlight they have been going on as long as man has been recording them and they continue to happen quite regularly. There is nothing biblical about the occurances.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

The only thing I see wrong in your last paragraph is an extensive world tsunami. I believe that would be impossible and even if it were possible it is not a evidence of Noahs flood as described in the bible. As to the other disasters you highlight they have been going on as long as man has been recording them and they continue to happen quite regularly. There is nothing biblical about the occurances.

The extensive world tsunami flooding is not in reference to Noah’s flood. I meant the Jasher account describing the overflowing of 1/3 of the earth by the River Gihon. This happened in the centuries previous to the Noachian flood. The Bible doesn’t mention it. The Biblical account is very brief. I actually like to supplement the Bible with the Jasher version, although it seems more intertwined with legends. The Bible says the fountains of the deep were broken up and the windows of heaven were opened. You have to flesh out those vague descriptions yourself. That doesn’t seem to be a problem for archeologists who can create an entire populace of hairy cavemen from a piece of pig’s jaw. :roll:

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

The only thing I see wrong in your last paragraph is an extensive world tsunami. I believe that would be impossible and even if it were possible it is not a evidence of Noahs flood as described in the bible. As to the other disasters you highlight they have been going on as long as man has been recording them and they continue to happen quite regularly. There is nothing biblical about the occurances.

The extensive world tsunami flooding is not in reference to Noah’s flood. I meant the Jasher account describing the overflowing of 1/3 of the earth by the River Gihon.
First of all the entire world was not known to everyone nor was communication possible throughout the world. Secondly whatever the River Gihon was it surly was not possible for the river to flood 1/3 of the earth.


This happened in the centuries previous to the Noachian flood. The Bible doesn’t mention it.
Nor does anyone else.

The Biblical account is very brief. I actually like to supplement the Bible with the Jasher version, although it seems more intertwined with legends. The Bible says the fountains of the deep were broken up and the windows of heaven were opened. You have to flesh out those vague descriptions yourself.
What you mean is use your imagination.

That doesn’t seem to be a problem for archeologists who can create an entire populace of hairy cavemen from a piece of pig’s jaw. :roll:
I am not sure to what you are referring but I am sure it is taken out of context.

 

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Unred previous comment: The extensive world tsunami flooding is not in reference to Noah’s flood. I meant the Jasher account describing the overflowing of 1/3 of the earth by the River Gihon.
Rez answered:

First of all the entire world was not known to everyone nor was communication possible throughout the world. Secondly whatever the River Gihon was it surly was not possible for the river to flood 1/3 of the earth.

It seems that people tended to stay together in one large area and gradually spread outward. These people were generally not cave men. They built large cities that were quite sophisticated civilizations of individual family branches. News traveled from town to town, city to city. The extent of their inhabitation was the entire world as far as they were concerned to be sure but that might have included the entire world, divided only by immensely large meandering rivers.

The Book of Genesis says out of Eden flowed a great river that parted into four great Rivers, one of which was Gihon, which encompassed the whole land of Ethiopia. Where that was and if it remained the same basic river after the flood can only be speculated upon. In Jasher, Gihon is referred to as a River and later as a great sea, oceanus, that the River Ledah empties into, after the flood. We’re pretty much at the mercy of translators here. Rivers flow throughout the globe but none is big enough to be considered an ocean. What happens to a river swallowed up excess water leftover by a flood? The great ocean currents such as the Gulf stream, Antarctic Circumpolar, North and South Pacific and Atlantic, etc. may be all that is left of these great rivers.

As for knowledge of the account, I’m sure survivors made note of how many of their numbers were missing. Either the 1/3 estimate was made from damages and loss sustained, or the figure was given by God who spoke regularly through His prophets. The Bible says that God has in these last days spoken to us through His Son and that prophets would arise in the last days again with God‘s own messages given through dreams and visions and evidences that can’t be faked. Should be interesting, or frightening. Should be soon.


Unred previous comment: This happened in the centuries previous to the Noachian flood. The Bible doesn’t mention it.
Rez answered:

Nor does anyone else.

The book of Jasher does. Those people who have read Jasher have convincing substantiation for the account in Genesis but most Christians are fearful of reading anything that is merely historical in nature and not deemed to be inspired and infallible by the various ‘powers that be’ within the church. Their loss.



Unred previous comment: The Biblical account is very brief. I actually like to supplement the Bible with the Jasher version, although it seems more intertwined with legends. The Bible says the fountains of the deep were broken up and the windows of heaven were opened. You have to flesh out those vague descriptions yourself.
Rez answered:

What you mean is use your imagination.

I have lots of speculations but unfortunately, am not in a position to chase down evidence to follow through with them. I am rather disappointed with the efforts of creationists as a group but I’m not sure if it is a lack of funds or compelling ambition that inhibits the kind of extensive research that is devoted to evolutionism. We believe and we have a personal internal witness and the physical evidence is secondary. And some don’t like the idea of trying to prove God true with dirt and bones when faith is noted as a precious thing to God. I think stepping out to find the evidence of the accounts in scripture is taking God at His word and having faith in it.



Unred previous comment: That doesn’t seem to be a problem for archeologists who can create an entire populace of hairy cavemen from a piece of pig’s jaw.
Rez answered:

I am not sure to what you are referring but I am sure it is taken out of context

Of course you have faith in your leaders. You must have faith to endure the frauds and admitted inaccuracies of recent years. Although it has been my policy to not keep a record of wrongs, I have started a file just for these types of exposed frauds. I noticed when someone finds an old tooth, it makes some sensational headlines but the fakes discovered are not given nearly as much significance. How many are quietly set aside, Lord only knows.

It is truly a blind faith that fails to realize that these evolutionists who are on a crusade to substantiate their claims at any cost will turn a blind eye to false or planted ‘evidence’ as long as it fits with their current view and is sufficiently convincing for the most meticulous expert. Shoddy fakes and those that didn’t keep up with the latest dates and theories are never tolerated, but a few slip through the cracks. Some are allowed to continue while the ‘experts’ make some statement to distance themselves from any fallout that might occur if it should be exposed. When exposure is imminent, it’s always good to rush in and make the discovery yourself though. Timing is everything. :wink:

 

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Unred previous comment: The extensive world tsunami flooding is not in reference to Noah’s flood. I meant the Jasher account describing the overflowing of 1/3 of the earth by the River Gihon.
Rez answered:

First of all the entire world was not known to everyone nor was communication possible throughout the world. Secondly whatever the River Gihon was it surly was not possible for the river to flood 1/3 of the earthquote]
It is obvious that there is so much you don't know about your bible and I don't have time to rehash all that I have posted. If you want to find out the history of the bible and how old it actually is and where the stories came from try this link. If you still choose to believe in what you can't see ,feel, touch or confirm then as I said before its a free country and you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

 

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Your essay link was a pathetic fabrication of epoch proportions. To be sure there are bizarre and repulsive parts of the Bible but it was written in bizarre and repulsive times. A prophet in a three piece toga and striped tie would not attract the attention of the bizarre and repulsive masses who found comfort in the smashing of the heads of their enemy’s infant children. This may be true however: "When precious insights are held in greatest contempt, the author is feared."
--anon.

 

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Your essay link was a pathetic fabrication of epoch proportions. ."
--anon.

At what point will you accept what is at your local library? At what point will you accept the evidence and time spent by thousands of others who have done the research and presented the facts that cannot be disputed? Putting your head in the sand only does one thing and that is to ignore what is there.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

At what point will you accept what is at your local library? At what point will you accept the evidence and time spent by thousands of others who have done the research and presented the facts that cannot be disputed? Putting your head in the sand only does one thing and that is to ignore what is there.

Did you expect that I would roll over and accept that dog pile of slander and blasphemy? It sounded like it was put together by some pimple pincher on the school Mac. Honestly, anyone can write anything and claim it came from anywhere. When was the last time the entire history of mankind was designated before and after someone’s birth, (B.C. / A.D.)? That is really soooo credible that his miracles were faked magician tricks and he was the illigitimate son of a rape by a Roman guard and his mother, a prostitute. Sure. Easy for him to say some two thousand years later after the facts have been maligned and bantered around by ungodly heretics and illiterate unbelievers. And you call me gullible.
Ask yourself something. If the story of Christ is true, and Satan is real, and he is actively running about God’s earth, causing hate and stirring discontent, wouldn’t you expect such a vicious verbal attack on the earthly mother of His son? When you want to craft the most hurtful insult, you call someone’s mother a whore.

I’ve been to the local libraries. Biased purveyors of evolutionary fodder for the masses. Bastions of scientific error infected by pc fear. Great place to get a trashy novel, browse a collection of mythological nonsense or read good book on flower arranging or pumpkin carving though, if that‘s what you like.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

At what point will you accept what is at your local library? At what point will you accept the evidence and time spent by thousands of others who have done the research and presented the facts that cannot be disputed? Putting your head in the sand only does one thing and that is to ignore what is there.

Did you expect that I would roll over and accept that dog pile of slander and blasphemy? It sounded like it was put together by some pimple pincher on the school Mac.
Do you accept anything outside of the bible as real?


Honestly, anyone can write anything and claim it came from anywhere.
Sure they can they call it fiction. Science books are not in that category. They are in the category of non fiction.


When was the last time the entire history of mankind was designated before and after someone’s birth, (B.C. / A.D.)?
What are you getting at?


That is really soooo credible that his miracles were faked magician tricks and he was the illigitimate son of a rape by a Roman guard and his mother, a prostitute. Sure.
Outside of the bible can you find one shred of evidence for Jesus while he lived? Don't bother using Joshephus as his works are considered a forgery and by the way he would have been your best hope.

Easy for him to say some two thousand years later after the facts have been maligned and bantered around by ungodly heretics and illiterate unbelievers. And you call me gullible.
Sorry but the writings are older than the N/T. This is hardly manipulating history. You just don't want to consider the possibility that what you believe is wrong. Man has had bout 17 crucified saviors in his history. Why do you think Jesus was the real one?


Ask yourself something. If the story of Christ is true, and Satan is real, and he is actively running about God’s earth, causing hate and stirring discontent, wouldn’t you expect such a vicious verbal attack on the earthly mother of His son? When you want to craft the most hurtful insult, you call someone’s mother a whore.
If the story is not true all we see is the normal character of man. Satan is a powerful being according to you. Why would he resort to a petty charge like accusing his mother of being a prostitute. In actuality what the link referred to was a man that lived and his character grew larger than life. The Jesus you believe in never actually lived. His character took on superhuman dimensions for any number of possible explanations. Look at our western heros in America. Do you really think they were that dynamic?

I’ve been to the local libraries. Biased purveyors of evolutionary fodder for the masses. Bastions of scientific error infected by pc fear. Great place to get a trashy novel, browse a collection of mythological nonsense or read good book on flower arranging or pumpkin carving though, if that‘s what you like.
As I said if you want to have your own beliefs fine but you can't have your own facts.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

Do you accept anything outside of the bible as real?

If it doesn’t contradict the Bible; common sense, truth and logic.

Reznwerks wrote:

Outside of the bible can you find one shred of evidence for Jesus while he lived? Don't bother using Joshephus as his works are considered a forgery and by the way he would have been your best hope.

Sure. Take the calendar we use. A.D. stands "anno Domini" – Latin for "in the year of our Lord" – B.C., before Christ. That is quite an impact on humanity.
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Sure they can they call it fiction. Science books are not in that category. They are in the category of non fiction.

Wouldn’t that be nice if everything we read had it’s proper label. Then ‘science’ would be ‘science‘, not ‘ancient history’ or ‘religion’ and ‘theories’ would be ‘theories,’ not ‘facts.’ Also ‘lies’ and ‘fabrications’ couldn’t be passed off as ‘conclusive evidence.’ ‘Truth’ would be in the ‘truth’ section….
Reznwerks wrote:

Sorry but the writings are older than the N/T. This is hardly manipulating history. You just don't want to consider the possibility that what you believe is wrong. Man has had bout 17 crucified saviors in his history. Why do you think Jesus was the real one?

I was quite tired when I ran through your site. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Your late dates for the NT are erroneous because whenever a copy of a letter or gospel was worn so it might not be read, it was destroyed after a new one was made to replace it. I know you’ll find this hard to believe, but Paul and the disciples wrote their letters to churches while they were alive. It’s hard to focus when you’re dead.

Jesus told us there would be many Christs and many who claimed to be Him. His credentials were the signature miracles and the resurrection from the dead. Those who saw him for forty days after his death, those who rose from the opened graves at his resurrection and those who had been healed by him were not swayed by the fabrications of the Jewish leaders who tried to suppress the events. As one of the more wise of the Pharisees suggested, if this was of man, it would die out but if it was from God, they couldn’t stop it. Guess what? They couldn’t. When his miracles were duplicated by his followers, people joined the church in great numbers even though they were severely persecuted and tortured to death in many instances.

There have been many Elvis impersonators. Do you think we’re confused now?


Reznwerks wrote:

In actuality what the link referred to was a man that lived and his character grew larger than life. The Jesus you believe in never actually lived. His character took on superhuman dimensions for any number of possible explanations. Look at our western heros in America. Do you really think they were that dynamic?

Do you think any of them were the only begotten son of God himself?


Reznwerks wrote:

As I said if you want to have your own beliefs fine but you can't have your own facts.

That’s right. That’s why Jesus said he is the way, the truth, and the life, not that he knew the truth, could find the way and possessed life. Just as my words typed here express who I am to you, He was God’s word made flesh to express God to man who couldn’t seem to understand the message God wanted us to get. Just as a real time camera image of me would show you who I am, Jesus was the exact image of God to us. Jesus is the truth.

 

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Reznwerks wrote:

Do you accept anything outside of the bible as real?

If it doesn’t contradict the Bible; common sense, truth and logic.
That is really close to being an oxymoron.

Reznwerks wrote:[quote:6952e] Outside of the bible can you find one shred of evidence for Jesus while he lived? Don't bother using Joshephus as his works are considered a forgery and by the way he would have been your best hope.

Sure. Take the calendar we use. A.D. stands "anno Domini" – Latin for "in the year of our Lord" – B.C., before Christ. That is quite an impact on humanity.
No one is doubting that Christians were alive and have impacted society. That is politics not evidence. With that reasoning you would have to give the same respect to Buddha, Horus and any other notable God that had an impact on civilization.


Reznwerks wrote:

Sure they can they call it fiction. Science books are not in that category. They are in the category of non fiction.

Wouldn’t that be nice if everything we read had it’s proper label. Then ‘science’ would be ‘science‘, not ‘ancient history’ or ‘religion’ and ‘theories’ would be ‘theories,’ not ‘facts.’ Also ‘lies’ and ‘fabrications’ couldn’t be passed off as ‘conclusive evidence.’ ‘Truth’ would be in the ‘truth’ section….
I wonder where the bible would be put.
Reznwerks wrote:

Sorry but the writings are older than the N/T. This is hardly manipulating history. You just don't want to consider the possibility that what you believe is wrong. Man has had bout 17 crucified saviors in his history. Why do you think Jesus was the real one?

I was quite tired when I ran through your site. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Your late dates for the NT are erroneous because whenever a copy of a letter or gospel was worn so it might not be read, it was destroyed after a new one was made to replace it. I know you’ll find this hard to believe, but Paul and the disciples wrote their letters to churches while they were alive. It’s hard to focus when you’re dead.
What I was referring to was the apparant subject you encountered when you linked to a website I posted. In it was suggested some possible characters that lived in which the character Jesus was assumed. You can go back and reread it as it is too involved to detail here.

Jesus told us there would be many Christs and many who claimed to be Him.
There were already many Christs befor Jesus. Ever do any research on them? Here to help you is this link. See how many are lying.
I don't have any idea how you are going to confirm or deny them since you don't accept what is in the library and unfortunately any eyewitnessess are long dead.
http://www.infidels.org/library/histori ... ap16.shtml

His credentials were the signature miracles and the resurrection from the dead. Those who saw him for forty days after his death, those who rose from the opened graves at his resurrection and those who had been healed by him were not swayed by the fabrications of the Jewish leaders who tried to suppress the events.
You see that is what I mean. These are fantastic tales without anyone recording them outside of the bible. Don't you think those that rose from their graves would have appeared to non believers as well? In fact don't you think this is an even greater miracle than Jesus' resurrection? I do. Outside of the bible no one records any miracles. In fact as detailed as the historical records of Rome were they don't record any trial, any earthquake, any resurrection of Jesus. In fact no one records the slaughter of the innocents by Herod , not even the victims. Ever wonder why?

As one of the more wise of the Pharisees suggested, if this was of man, it would die out but if it was from God, they couldn’t stop it. Guess what? They couldn’t. When his miracles were duplicated by his followers, people joined the church in great numbers even though they were severely persecuted and tortured to death in many instances.
No miracles have ever been confirmed. Christianity was a political entity more than a religion at the time. People want to and do believe in all sorts of things all over the world that are not true and they die for them as well. It is not proof of their belief.

There have been many Elvis impersonators. Do you think we’re confused now?
Jesus is only one of many saviors in mans history. You and I are a lot alike. You don't believe in the many other Gods in mans history and I believe in just one less than you. Here ,try these links and look at the similarities in Christianity and religions.
http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/BJesusandHorus74.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa.htm



Reznwerks wrote:

In actuality what the link referred to was a man that lived and his character grew larger than life. The Jesus you believe in never actually lived. His character took on superhuman dimensions for any number of possible explanations. Look at our western heros in America. Do you really think they were that dynamic?

Do you think any of them were the only begotten son of God himself?
No nor do I think Jesus is the result of an impregnation of a supernatural being with a human. It was tried before. Check the links I gave you. Nothing new here.


Reznwerks wrote:

As I said if you want to have your own beliefs fine but you can't have your own facts.

That’s right. That’s why Jesus said he is the way, the truth, and the life, not that he knew the truth, could find the way and possessed life. Just as my words typed here express who I am to you, He was God’s word made flesh to express God to man who couldn’t seem to understand the message God wanted us to get. Just as a real time camera image of me would show you who I am, Jesus was the exact image of God to us. Jesus is the truth.
What else would you expect him to say? If I say it does that mean I'm telling the truth?

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Reznwerks wrote:

No one is doubting that Christians were alive and have impacted society. That is politics not evidence. With that reasoning you would have to give the same respect to Buddha, Horus and any other notable God that had an impact on civilization.

You don’t believe that those who are willing to die for Islam, Buddha, or whatever believe in it’s claims? Yes, they really do believe and I respect the fact that they are true believers even though I may not agree with them and wonder why. The disciples of Jesus had living proof that what he taught was from God himself because they saw him alive for 40 days after he rose from the dead. Even doubters like Thomas saw the nail prints and the wound in his side large enough to put his hand in and believed without doubt that it really was the Lord. We can be assured they believed what they preached because they went from being frightened cowards to powerful preachers who eventually were martyred. Did the actual men who followed any other religious leader have his resurrection to proclaim? Did they have thousands of eye witnesses to his miracles and to his rising from the dead? You can make claims but would you back them up with your life if you were faking it? How many phony faith healers do you think would renounce their false claims if they were given the option of admitting their fraud or dying by being boiled in oil?
Reznwerks wrote various statements related to doubts and fears and also this comment:

Outside of the bible no one records any miracles. In fact as detailed as the historical records of Rome were they don't record any trial, any earthquake, any resurrection of Jesus.

This is a statement from pure ignorance. Some of these links may shed some light on your darkness or an unbiased book from your local library, if you can find one:
http://www.issuesetc.org/resource/archives/maier3.htm

http://www.bib-arch.org/

http://www.digisys.net/users/ddalton/never_existed.htm

http://www.bibarch.com/

http://www.apologeticsinfo.org/papers/a ... ology.html

http://www.biblicalarcheology.net/Topic ... Archeology

http://everystudent.com/features/faith.html

Reznwerks wrote:

In fact no one records the slaughter of the innocents by Herod , not even the victims. Ever wonder why?

No, I don’t imagine it was a popular move on Herod’s part and he no doubt suppressed the making of any reports by the people with a single threat to return if they uttered a word. Imagine your child has just been slaughtered by your government, lead by a diabolical tyrant capable of wielding such a murderous heinous act on innocent people. You are just an ordinary peasant. Do you write your local newspaper or your congressmen? Do you strap on your hoe and go chop some soldiers? If you do, do you get to tell the world of your revenge or do they dump your body in the sewer? The act will not be forgotten though and it may turn up 50 years later, retold in a history of the one who survived the despicable assassination attempt.

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What else would you expect him to say? If I say it does that mean I'm telling the truth?

If you say it, and claim to be the long awaited, eagerly sought after Messiah I expect you to back it up with at least 3 years of healings including restored limbs and restored sight and raising from the dead. Then, you must fulfill all that is written about you in prophesies, including your death by hanging on a tree. Looks like crucifixion since Rome is in power. Then you have to rise from the dead and appear for at least a few days in perfect health. Good luck. Otherwise, you will be discounted at your death as an imposter with your followers scattered to the wind. Your claims to be the truth will be remembered as your biggest lie, if anyone rembers you at all.