Disciples of the Lord

[Jennifer Rogers]

Join me today to learn about the 12 apostles of Jesus

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Here are the names of the twelve Apostles
1- Simon Peter (Peter). Humble apostle. Jesus called him the rock, also known as Simon son of Jonah. He was a fisherman from Bethsaida in Galilee. Has been crucified upside down. According to church tradition, he told the executioners that he felt unworthy to die in the same manner as Jesus, the way his Master died.
2- Andrew (Andre). The apostle is rich in friendship. Peter's brother, a fisherman of Bethsaida. He was crucified on an X-shaped cross in Patras, Greece, after being beaten to death by seven soldiers. The people used ropes to tie his body to the cross to prolong his suffering. His disciples reported that, as he was led before the cross, he respectfully saluted the cross and said these words: “I have longed and anticipated this hour of joy. The cross was consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.” He continued to preach to the executioners for two days until he was out of breath.
3- James the Great (James the Great). High apostles. Son of Zebedee, brother of Saint John. Was a fisherman when Jesus called him to be a disciple and devoted his life to the mission of evangelization. A courageous leader of the Church, James was beheaded in Jerusalem. The Roman soldier tasked with guarding him was amazed to see the saint defend his faith before the court. Later, this soldier accompanied James to the place of execution. Convinced by his faith, he himself professed his new faith to the judge and knelt beside Saint James to accept his beheading because he was a Christian.
4- John (John). Apostle of love. Son of Zebedee, called the Beloved Disciple by Jesus. Facing martyrdom while being cooked in a pot of boiling oil during religious persecution in Rome. But strangely, he was saved from death. John was sentenced to work as a miner in the prison camp on the island of Patmos. Here He wrote the book of Revelation filled with prophecies. John was released and returned as Bishop of Edessa, Turkey. He died of old age. He was the only apostle who died peacefully.
5- Philip (Philippians). Practical apostles. The man of Bethsaida of Galilee was crucified.
6- Bartholomew (Batoomeus). Dream Apostle. Talemai's son. He testified for the Lord in Turkey. Bartholomew was martyred for preaching in Armenia, where he was whipped to death.
7- Thomas (Thomas). Doubtful apostle. The only saint who did not believe in the Risen Lord, and later did because he had put his hand in the wound in the Lord's side. He died of a spear in India, on a missionary trip to establish a church in the subcontinent.
8- Matthew (Matthew). Apostles are saved. Tax collector, son of Alphaeus. Martyr in Ethiopia, died of a sword wound.
9- James (James). Nameless Apostle. Son of Alphaeus. As the church leader in Jerusalem, thrown more than a hundred feet from the southeast at the top of the Temple, he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When it was discovered that he was still alive despite being thrown to the ground from above, his enemies beat him to death with a mason's staff. The top of this temple is also the place where the devil had previously brought Jesus up to tempt Him.
10- Thaddeus (Taddeus). Faithful apostle. In the Gospel of Luke, it is called Judas, son of James. Crucified.
11- Simon. Enthusiastic apostle. The Canaanites were crucified.
12- Judas Iscariot (Judas). Betrayal Apostle. He handed Jesus over to the Jews, then repented and went to hang himself.
13- Mathias (Matthias). Alternative apostle. Replaced the betrayed disciple Judas, stoned and beheaded.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Join me today to learn about the 12 apostles of Jesus

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Here are the names of the twelve Apostles
1- Simon Peter (Peter). Humble apostle. Jesus called him the rock, also known as Simon son of Jonah. He was a fisherman from Bethsaida in Galilee. Has been crucified upside down. According to church tradition, he told the executioners that he felt unworthy to die in the same manner as Jesus, the way his Master died.
2- Andrew (Andre). The apostle is rich in friendship. Peter's brother, a fisherman of Bethsaida. He was crucified on an X-shaped cross in Patras, Greece, after being beaten to death by seven soldiers. The people used ropes to tie his body to the cross to prolong his suffering. His disciples reported that, as he was led before the cross, he respectfully saluted the cross and said these words: “I have longed and anticipated this hour of joy. The cross was consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.” He continued to preach to the executioners for two days until he was out of breath.
3- James the Great (James the Great). High apostles. Son of Zebedee, brother of Saint John. Was a fisherman when Jesus called him to be a disciple and devoted his life to the mission of evangelization. A courageous leader of the Church, James was beheaded in Jerusalem. The Roman soldier tasked with guarding him was amazed to see the saint defend his faith before the court. Later, this soldier accompanied James to the place of execution. Convinced by his faith, he himself professed his new faith to the judge and knelt beside Saint James to accept his beheading because he was a Christian.
4- John (John). Apostle of love. Son of Zebedee, called the Beloved Disciple by Jesus. Facing martyrdom while being cooked in a pot of boiling oil during religious persecution in Rome. But strangely, he was saved from death. John was sentenced to work as a miner in the prison camp on the island of Patmos. Here He wrote the book of Revelation filled with prophecies. John was released and returned as Bishop of Edessa, Turkey. He died of old age. He was the only apostle who died peacefully.
5- Philip (Philippians). Practical apostles. The man of Bethsaida of Galilee was crucified.
6- Bartholomew (Batoomeus). Dream Apostle. Talemai's son. He testified for the Lord in Turkey. Bartholomew was martyred for preaching in Armenia, where he was whipped to death.
7- Thomas (Thomas). Doubtful apostle. The only saint who did not believe in the Risen Lord, and later did because he had put his hand in the wound in the Lord's side. He died of a spear in India, on a missionary trip to establish a church in the subcontinent.
8- Matthew (Matthew). Apostles are saved. Tax collector, son of Alphaeus. Martyr in Ethiopia, died of a sword wound.
9- James (James). Nameless Apostle. Son of Alphaeus. As the church leader in Jerusalem, thrown more than a hundred feet from the southeast at the top of the Temple, he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When it was discovered that he was still alive despite being thrown to the ground from above, his enemies beat him to death with a mason's staff. The top of this temple is also the place where the devil had previously brought Jesus up to tempt Him.
10- Thaddeus (Taddeus). Faithful apostle. In the Gospel of Luke, it is called Judas, son of James. Crucified.
11- Simon. Enthusiastic apostle. The Canaanites were crucified.
12- Judas Iscariot (Judas). Betrayal Apostle. He handed Jesus over to the Jews, then repented and went to hang himself.
13- Mathias (Matthias). Alternative apostle. Replaced the betrayed disciple Judas, stoned and beheaded.

Huh. One of those who denies the obvious?

 

[Hopeful]

Huh. One of those who denies the obvious?

I wonder how many more have come and gone since the original dozen.
God bless those among us today.

 

[God Is My Judge]

I wonder how many more have come and gone since the original dozen.
God bless those among us today.

Rev.2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.

There are only 12 apostles no one else is an apostle. The Wall Has 12 Foundations Revelation 21:14 says, “ And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

They are :
1. James the Greater son of Zebedee and his brother 2. John
from Bethsaida
3. James, the Lesser, son of Alphaeus/Place of birth
Galilee, Israel

Judas Iscariot (LOST his crown)

139:12.1 Judas Iscariot, the twelfth apostle, was chosen by Nathaniel. He was born in Kerioth, a small town
in southern Judea. When he was a lad, his parents moved to Jericho, where he lived and had been employed
in his father's various business enterprises until he became interested in the preaching and work of John the
Baptist. Judas's parents were Sadducees, and when their son joined John's disciples, they disowned him.

He would be replaced by:
Matthias (temporarily) only to be replaced by Saul of Tarsus forever
4. (Paul) From Tarsus .

5. Simon ,Peter :
From Bethsaida

6. Philip :
From Bethsaida.

7. Nathaniel:
From Cana
8. Matthew (Levi):
From Galilee

9. Thomas Didymus:
From Galilee.

10. Judas Alpheus
From Galilee.

11. Simon the zealot:
From Cana..

12. Andrew:
From Bethsaida

 

[Hopeful]

Rev.2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars.

There are only 12 apostles no one else is an apostle. The Wall Has 12 Foundations Revelation 21:14 says, “ And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

They are :
1. James the Greater son of Zebedee and his brother 2. John
from Bethsaida
3. James, the Lesser, son of Alphaeus/Place of birth
Galilee, Israel

Judas Iscariot (LOST his crown)

139:12.1 Judas Iscariot, the twelfth apostle, was chosen by Nathaniel. He was born in Kerioth, a small town
in southern Judea. When he was a lad, his parents moved to Jericho, where he lived and had been employed
in his father's various business enterprises until he became interested in the preaching and work of John the
Baptist. Judas's parents were Sadducees, and when their son joined John's disciples, they disowned him.

He would be replaced by:
Matthias (temporarily) only to be replaced by Saul of Tarsus forever
4. (Paul) From Tarsus .

5. Simon ,Peter :
From Bethsaida

6. Philip :
From Bethsaida.

7. Nathaniel:
From Cana
8. Matthew (Levi):
From Galilee

9. Thomas Didymus:
From Galilee.

10. Judas Alpheus
From Galilee.

11. Simon the zealot:
From Cana..

12. Andrew:
From Bethsaida

So you deny that Paul and Barnabas were apostles?
I cannot agree.
It is written..."Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,..." (Acts 14:14)

 

[God Is My Judge]

So you deny that Paul and Barnabas were apostles?
I cannot agree.
It is written..."Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,..." (Acts 14:14)

Thanks ! Apostle takes on a different meaning when speaking about 'One who is sent'. Clearly scripture does not contradict itself. Context is important. Concerning Title and Position as THE FOUNDATIONAL 12 APOSTLES there are only 12 apostles. Revelation is clear. That is what I was addressing. Matthius was not counted among the Twelve Elders of the New Covenant to be a foundational Apostle nor was Barnabas. Concerning 'one who is sent'- spreading the good news, they are in Apostolic union . Concerning the opening post there are 13 listed and excluding Paul that would make 14 if included.

A bit tricky to navigate. So since the Book of Revelation is clear as to where I was coming from I am correct. As to the misleading opening post , clearly misleading. It is most important to understand the application of 'apostle' just like the application of Rabbi and spiritual father- to understand Barnabas' apostleship. His is as in union with , not as being the foundational 12.

As for Rev.2:2 that I posted, I understand that concerning the 12 foundational apostles which there are no others. That is what I address- people who do not understand the importance of the 12 only as foundational. As for being sent in union with apostleship- Barnabas is by association is what acts 14:14 means . So now that leaves us with -is Paul's name written in the wall's foundation as one of the twelve? Based on this discussion we will see who is in Apostleship with the Foundational 12. Blessings.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Oh and thank you Hopeful, for the engaging discussion . It will help me grow. You sharing your knowledge of scripture is wonderful I would have overlooked what you point out, if you did not point it out. Thank you again! Iron sharpens iron.

 

[God Is My Judge]

With this discussion have you all supported the Catholic doctrine of Apostolic Succession? And what exactly does that mean - a succession of Foundational Apostles or those in suit with the Foundational Apostles?
In suit:
What does follow in suit Mean?
follow ˈsuit. act or behave in the way that somebody else has just done. The point is , it was correct to call Barnabas who was in suit /likeness of Paul- an apostle. Though Barnabas was a follower of Christ before Paul , it is Paul who educated us fully on those matters of spiritual progress to perfection and Election, not Barnabas or Matthias for that matter. Barnabas was guilty by association so to speak. Not that there is any guilt in associating with Paul, but he was in suit of Paul's apostleship, is my point. Now would my understanding of how 'apostles' is being used in Acts 14:14 be wrong? the question would be- does my understand contradicted Rev.2:2 or Rev. 21:13-15 or does it keep all in harmony and not divided like the soldiers divided Christ's garments?

Acts 9:
Saul in Jerusalem
26When Saul arrived in Jerusalem, he tried to join the disciples, but they were all afraid of him, not believing that he was a disciple. 27Then Barnabas brought him to the apostles and described how Saul had seen the Lord, who spoke to him on the road to Damascus, and how Saul had spoken boldly in that city in the name of Jesus. 28So Saul stayed with them, moving about freely in Jerusalem and speaking boldly in the name of the Lord.…

 

[Hopeful]

Thanks ! Apostle takes on a different meaning when speaking about 'One who is sent'. Clearly scripture does not contradict itself. Context is important. Concerning Title and Position as THE FOUNDATIONAL 12 APOSTLES there are only 12 apostles. Revelation is clear. That is what I was addressing. Matthius was not counted among the Twelve Elders of the New Covenant to be a foundational Apostle nor was Barnabas. Concerning 'one who is sent'- spreading the good news, they are in Apostolic union . Concerning the opening post there are 13 listed and excluding Paul that would make 14 if included.

A bit tricky to navigate. So since the Book of Revelation is clear as to where I was coming from I am correct. As to the misleading opening post , clearly misleading. It is most important to understand the application of 'apostle' just like the application of Rabbi and spiritual father- to understand Barnabas' apostleship. His is as in union with , not as being the foundational 12.

As for Rev.2:2 that I posted, I understand that concerning the 12 foundational apostles which there are no others. That is what I address- people who do not understand the importance of the 12 only as foundational. As for being sent in union with apostleship- Barnabas is by association is what acts 14:14 means . So now that leaves us with -is Paul's name written in the wall's foundation as one of the twelve? Based on this discussion we will see who is in Apostleship with the Foundational 12. Blessings.

"Foundational", as opposed to all the ones piled on top of the original twelve.
Matthias was the thirteenth, and even he was "foundational".
And why don't you consider Paul an apostle?
Just because all the following apostles were not "foundational" doesn't mean they were not apostles.

 

[God Is My Judge]

"Foundational", as opposed to all the ones piled on top of the original twelve.
Matthias was the thirteenth, and even he was "foundational".
And why don't you consider Paul an apostle?
Just because all the following apostles were not "foundational" doesn't mean they were not apostles.

No I consider Paul a Foundational Apostle. I don't consider Matthias to be a Foundational Apostle nor Barnabas. I see them rather as in suit with . Apostle means - To Send or Sent One. Anyone can be sent in God's name but, concerning the 12 , I said who they are and no other names are in the Wall's foundation. Barnabas was called an apostle in acts because he was in suit with Paul. And I love how they both tore their suits/ garments. I believe it is a statement in allegory the account in Acts. A foreshadow of Apostolic Succession. Not that Barnabas is one of the 12 the Book of Rev. clearly indicates , but in support of and carries their torch in likeness. Hence, doing what Paul did in tearing his garment. But it is Paul and only Paul concerning the two, who laid the foundation in documented teaching.
Listen I get what you posted. It was engaging. It allows us all to flesh it out and see each other's perspective . This is not a death sentence but rather a classroom. I get how you understand ' apostle' I am simply saying there are only 12 , the rest are sent in suit by association, nothing more and nothing less. Do you disagree with the only 12 in the Book of Revelation?

I actually love this discussion , it has helped me understand who is Foundational and who is associated, who is sent in likeness and who is the Image that the likeness is sent. It's all good! We are simply learning. Peace.

 

[Hopeful]

No I consider Paul a Foundational Apostle. I don't consider Matthias to be a Foundational Apostle nor Barnabas. I see them rather as in suit with . Apostle means - To Send or Sent One. Anyone can be sent in God's name but, concerning the 12 , I said who they are and no other names are in the Wall's foundation. Barnabas was called an apostle in acts because he was in suit with Paul. And I love how they both tore their suits/ garments. I believe it is a statement in allegory the account in Acts. A foreshadow of Apostolic Succession. Not that Barnabas is one of the 12 the Book of Rev. clearly indicates , but in support of and carries their torch in likeness. Hence, doing what Paul did in tearing his garment. But it is Paul and only Paul concerning the two, who laid the foundation in documented teaching.
Listen I get what you posted. It was engaging. It allows us all to flesh it out and see each other's perspective . This is not a death sentence but rather a classroom. I get how you understand ' apostle' I am simply saying there are only 12 , the rest are sent in suit by association, nothing more and nothing less. Do you disagree with the only 12 in the Book of Revelation?

I actually love this discussion , it has helped me understand who is Foundational and who is associated, who is sent in likeness and who is the Image that the likeness is sent. It's all good! We are simply learning. Peace.

Paul, who you consider "foundational", was not even with Jesus from the beginning.
I'm surprised you elevate him to "foundational" while leaving Matthias out.
Either way, we are now up to 14 apostles, (if you omit Barnabas), and I contend many more followed in the foot steps of the OGs. (Original 12 Guys).

 

[God Is My Judge]

"Foundational", as opposed to all the ones piled on top of the original twelve.
Matthias was the thirteenth, and even he was "foundational".
And why don't you consider Paul an apostle?
Just because all the following apostles were not "foundational" doesn't mean they were not apostles.

Hopeful, I thanked you for what you pointed out to me. I actually in reading Acts never picked up what you pointed out. And actually I had to stop and pray. I don't know if you ever had that moment when, you thought you understood one thing ( like Rev. 21:13-15) which is pretty clear - the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Couple that with Rev. 2 and its things that make you go hmmm. So could it be the likeness in Acts of Barnabas to Paul not Paul to Barnabas that Paul is one of the 12 and not Barnabas? That is what I am addressing. Something is going on here. All I am doing is standing on scripture providing no contradiction . Maybe you have a better view for Rev. 2 and Rev. 21 and Acts? I am open to it. God Bless!

 

[Hopeful]

Hopeful, I thanked you for what you pointed out to me. I actually in reading Acts never picked up what you pointed out. And actually I had to stop and pray. I don't know if you ever had that moment when, you thought you understood one thing ( like Rev. 21:13-15) which is pretty clear - the 12 apostles of the Lamb. Couple that with Rev. 2 and its things that make you go hmmm. So could it be the likeness in Acts of Barnabas to Paul not Paul to Barnabas that Paul is one of the 12 and not Barnabas? That is what I am addressing. Something is going on here. All I am doing is standing on scripture providing no contradiction . Maybe you have a better view for Rev. 2 and Rev. 21 and Acts? I am open to it. God Bless!

I think the MOST original 12 are the 12 foundational apostles. Andrew through Matthias.
But there are, and will be more, NON-original apostles.
It is written..."And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" (Eph 4:11)
As there are still pastors and teachers being supplied for the body of Christ, there is no reason to think there are not apostles and evangelists too.

 

[God Is My Judge]

Paul, who you consider "foundational", was not even with Jesus from the beginning.
I'm surprised you elevate him to "foundational" while leaving Matthias out.
Either way, we are now up to 14 apostles, (if you omit Barnabas), and I contend many more followed in the foot steps of the OGs. (Original 12 Guys).

You are right Paul was not. But it is clear that Jesus decides. And even Paul called himself the least of the apostles. Paul is one of the 12. Matthias was a temp just like can happen in any job slot -until the slot was filled by who God hand picked as the permanent foundational resident. Not that Matthias was a bad election for Peter and the others but just not right for the postion. Placing Paul there with his background and all , was more impactful- is all. And still Barnabas as I said was in suit and called a Sent One because of his association with Paul. In suit does not mean the original nor foundational but in likeness. Kinda like, I am hanging with a nurse, she is licensed I am not but I am doing what she is doing , those overseeing us would think I was licensed too. I am just following suit tho. That's how I understand that. So, how do you understand Rev. 21's 12 Apostles of the Lamb ( interesting wording) seems there is a distinction being made , no?

 

[God Is My Judge]

With all that said now, did you know the word Apostle has two meanings? There is a broader meaning in Greek and general meaning. This discussion is not for the unlearned. I went along with it and enjoyed it .
In the broader sense in Greek it means a messenger . In the general sense it means a direct Christian apostle of Jesus. So Luke using one word addressed the postion of two people. That's Greek for you. Applied to Barnabas it meant Messenger applied to Paul -a direct apostle to Jesus. Look it up. Thanks for the discussion . Greek is not an easy language one word can have multiple meanings.

 

[eddif]

Psalms 109:6 kjv
6. Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
8. Let his days be few; and let another take his office.




The instructions for the replacement Apostle is written somewhere. A concept transcends context IMHO.

Acts 1:23 kjv
23. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Previous to the Holy Spirit coming they appointed two. They discussed what David said, but they decided what to do. Reminds me of what Noah did. Hie got off the ark and got drunk. Were his thoughts evil continually? No. Did he get drunk once? Yes.

I think the word take is to be considered from Psalms 109:8
Take not appointed.

They were meeting just prior to Pentecost. They stopped waiting and acted. I am not condemning them. I am making a comment to be considered. No telling if I were there before receiving the Holy Spirit, I might have said amen brothers ( good choice ).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[Cnkw3]

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
1 Corinthians 15:4-8
It does not seem Paul was including himself as a part of ‘the twelve“.
Also
Does it ever say that Mathias was ever replaced? Wasn’t genuine?

 

[God Is My Judge]

Psalms 109:6 kjv
6. Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.
7. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.
8. Let his days be few; and let another take his office.




The instructions for the replacement Apostle is written somewhere. A concept transcends context IMHO.

Acts 1:23 kjv
23. And they appointed two, Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias.

Previous to the Holy Spirit coming they appointed two. They discussed what David said, but they decided what to do. Reminds me of what Noah did. Hie got off the ark and got drunk. Were his thoughts evil continually? No. Did he get drunk once? Yes.

I think the word take is to be considered from Psalms 109:8
Take not appointed.

They were meeting just prior to Pentecost. They stopped waiting and acted. I am not condemning them. I am making a comment to be considered. No telling if I were there before receiving the Holy Spirit, I might have said amen brothers ( good choice ).

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Thanks! Yes they proposed two and......What I love about all this confusion doctrine is, no matter what there are TWO meanings to the word Apostle concerning the Greek language . I also love how the opening post omits Paul and Hopeful overlooks that due to some partiality due to a friendship or fondness to the Opening poster.

With that said no one addressed me pointing out Rev.21 concerning the 12 names of the Apostles of the Lamb. Now I can read and clearly there is something distinct about this 12. That is a fact. In this discussion I have even been accused of denying Paul as an apostle. Yet I am the only one who listed him as among the 12. No one else has. Then I am told that Apostle has ONE meaning and that all men can be apostles concerning (direct Christian hand picked by Christ) Paul was hand picked. Though an Election happened and it is good ,God has the final say as to what He sees as better. Not better than the other men, but better for the plan moving forward concerning impact!

Now considering the other verses in Rev. I posted there has to be something wrong with the thought process in here concerning what Apostle means. If you were to accept my understanding it is clear it gels with Revelation.

I also want to mention Apostle and Disciple have two different meanings . Consider disciple like an understudy because it means to learn in the Greek and Apostle a graduate. Concerning the 12 they graduated from discipleship to Apostleship. They were as ones learning and observing and following only until they are sent to make disciples of all nations. Paul got a crash course for dummies. LOL! And became an apostle practically instantaneously.

From Wikipedia : The word apostle has two meanings: the broader meaning of a messenger and the narrower meaning of an early Christian apostle directly linked to Jesus. The more general meaning of the word is translated into Latin as missiō, and from this word we get missionary.[5]

The term only occurs once in the Septuagint.[

With that said , that statement is in retrospect in that (early) is applied . However, in real time at Paul's visitation he was personally hand picked by Christ to make an impact on his PAST behavior in the minds of others by his sudden departure from that behavior.

The greater the sin the more grace abounds . No other Apostle would be used as such a tool of example concerning that. Hence, Paul says : 1 Corinthians 15: 9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

Now given all his works and this statement how are Matthias or Barnabas one of the 12? I have been saying out of the gate that Paul is one of the Twelve no one else has. All this I have said while being told by Hopeful -
" how can you say Barnabas and Paul are not apostles".

I never said that of Paul. And as for Barnabas I said he is in suit-likeness and is a messenger concerning the broad meaning of Apostle , He is not one of the twelve . Period.

If there is not TWO meanings to the word 'apostle' then the Greeks need to relearn their language. Luke would be correct in his usage of the word apostles because those who know Greek know, there are two meanings to the word. With that one word Luke addressed two positions , that is a fact . And is proven with interp. of the word and what the Book of Revelation says. In that understanding I have kept the scriptures whole and the interp. sound.

So now you will all tell me that 'apostle' does not have two meanings contrary to the Greek I suppose?
The bottom line is none of you had any clear distinction concerning the TWO meanings of Apostle . You all clumped everyone as an apostle under a false assumption, not deliberately, but you did . But now the truth be known everyone after the 12 are Messenger/apostles carrying on the message in suit with the 12 Elders Elect called The 12 Apostles of the Lamb. Rev.21: 14The wall of the city had twelve foundations bearing the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
No one is touching on this verse and I repeatedly ask about it.

With everything we are learning here, God is clearly showing a play on word use and how to understand the word in view of the language it is written in.

Now with that said.....wow I'm tired but here is the grand finally. Acts was translated from the Greek and as you all see Greek is a complicated language, I mean a word can have more than one meaning . You all should know that based on the word Baptizmo depending on plural an/or past participle etc..... it transforms to many things. But in Aramaic- the language Christ spoke there is one meaning concerning 'apostle' the word Seliah . Reading the Aramaic translation of Acts 14:14 the word apostle was not used concerning Barnabas and Paul .

Acts 14:14 Aramaic Translation-
ܒܪܢܒܐ ܕܝܢ ܘܦܘܠܘܣ ܟܕ ܫܡܥܘ ܣܕܩܘ ܢܚܬܝܗܘܢ ܘܫܘܪܘ ܢܦܩܘ ܠܗܘܢ ܠܘܬ ܐܟܠܘܣ ܘܩܥܝܢ ܗܘܘ
14 But, Bar-Naba {Barnabas} and Paulus {Paul}, when they had heard it, they tore their garments, and they leaped up, going out unto the crowd, and were crying out,

Does this mean the Greek is wrong, no , you just have to know where Greek is coming from.
Here is the link to the Aramaic Translation https://www.thearamaicscriptures.com/

Based on everything God is pointing us to, there is no way that I am wrong. God is not the author of confusion. Think about it? As for Paul as an Elect 12 I will prove that as well. God Bless.