Growth Dispensational Time Line

[grams]

http://www.enjoythebible.org/time-past/


This may help some to understand the:
There is a few pages to look at. !

Time Past-----------------But Now ................... Ages to Come

Our Church helps support this church............ The teacher Pastor come to our church and we Video his preaching
to be put on the TV... Richard Jorden ["I probley miss spelled his name."]

 

[By Grace]

http://www.enjoythebible.org/time-past/
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Essentially, you are asking the responders to do two things, that I find difficult:

1. You are asking us to make a decision about a guest preacher at your church on the basis of a video. That is a minefield
2. You are asking us to accept Dispensdational theology as being true, and that is another minefield.

For anyone to make a comment about either your guest preacher or your church automatically places you on the defensive.

For people like me who have studied Dispensational Theology, I find that its hyper literalness to be well-intentioned, but its effect is to effectively rip Matthew 24 out of the Bible . For the sake of brevity, I will skip the details.

On a personal level, I recall being on live television hosting a guest preacher. who clearly and calmly6 stated that based upon the work of an engineer (not a Bible scholar) who wrote a popular book entitled 88 reasons why Jesus would return in 1988 because he found references to Jesus Christ in the first 88 Psalms, and in Psalm 89 did not have that messianic reference. When that happened, I began to look around on the floor for an escape hatch. What appalled me the most was the fact that just by my presence, I was adding credibility to his unscrupulous statements.

You see, having endured many "prophesy conferences", almost all ofr the speakers began with this premise: "numbers do not lie" to which I developed a corollary adage, "But liars know how to figure".

I can say that because since Jesus did not know the hour of his return, it is an act of chutzpah for anyone to arrogate to themselves something that Jesus did not know, and it is an act of self-exaltation to claim that any human knows more than the Creator of the Universe knows. Actually, it is blasphemous.

I am not attempting to "debate you" on this forum, it is not permitted. But instead I am explaining the reasons why I will not take you up on your kind offer to see this person.

If you want further information about my decision, and the reasons behind my position, I will be happy to respond. But I will not respond to anyone who "believes I am wrong and who wants to 'straighten me out'". I hope you can understand my position.

 

[reba]

grams ... if the video you have posted brings about debate as opposed discussion .... fine line there... It can be moved to the proper forum..

 

[grams]

I just do not understand what every one is talking about ? I am only seeing a time line !

Of Time Past............................... But Now ................................. Ages to Come.

What am I missing ?

 

[JLB]

http://www.enjoythebible.org/time-past/


This may help some to understand the:
There is a few pages to look at. !

Time Past-----------------But Now ................... Ages to Come

Our Church helps support this church............ The teacher Pastor come to our church and we Video his preaching
to be put on the TV... Richard Jorden ["I probley miss spelled his name."]

How about actually posting a scripture, with the context in which it was written?


JLB

 

[JLB]

I just do not understand what every one is talking about ? I am only seeing a time line !

Of Time Past............................... But Now ................................. Ages to Come.

What am I missing ?

For we know in part and we prophesy in part. 1 Corinthians 13:9

 

[grams]

15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

 

[JLB]

15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Please post the chapter and verse, with the context that shows us the time-line you are teaching about.



JLB

 

[reba]

15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

16
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

Richard Jorden says Jesus gave up all His attributes of God... i find this no where in scripture..

I would not trust a teacher who says this..

 

[grams]

I have not found the one verse that really explains it , but maybe this will give you a hint ?
If I can keep looking later........... I will try to remember to find the one..........!
It is so simple , that I do not know why I cant find it now ?????
Eph. 3
2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Romans 10
4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[JLB]

I have not found the one verse that really explains it , but maybe this will give you a hint ?
If I can keep looking later........... I will try to remember to find the one..........!
It is so simple , that I do not know why I cant find it now ?????
Eph. 3
2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

3
How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

4
Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)

5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Romans 10
4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

What is the point you are making, by posting this scripture, and how does this prove that getting water baptized is a "work" of the law of Moses.

“The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.
Luke 16:16


Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, Romans 6:3-5

We are buried with Him through Baptism, that we also may be identified with the likeness of His resurrection.


How does this identifying with the newness of His resurrection life, somehow associate us with the law of Moses?


JLB

 

[grams]

Do you not understand ? That is talking about upon belief ! When you understand it just happens.
into HIS death , are you there ?

This all happens upon Belief and Understanding.........................!

 

[By Grace]

I have not found the one verse that really explains it , but maybe this will give you a hint
If I can keep looking later........... I will try to remember to find the one..........!
It is so simple , that I do not know why I cant find it now ?????
Eph. 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

With no disrespect meant, I can say that your church affiliates with a group that is King James Only, and that is a very small part of the Evangelical church groups.

On the website that your link provided, I saw this:

Being persuaded of these things, and possessing personal conviction about them, I therefore take a stand for the King James Version. Yet my stand is not just one of preferring it over the multitude of other English versions. Rather, it is one of being convinced it has both the right to be called the inerrant, infallible, preserved word of God in the English language, and to be dealt with as such.

I am NOT about to get into a discussion/debate about the KJV because it is an excellent translation, and I recommend its usage for Bible memorization, but it is over 400 years old, and since the time that it was published, there are many different and accurate sources available.

But instead, I will state the obvious to any outsider, and that these sorts of churches are very dogmatic about things that many other Bible-believing Christians find non-essential. Typical might be the insistence for men to wear white shirts and ties for men to come to church. That is not a criticism, and it is not a jab at your church in particular; It is a generalized statement, OK? All I am doing is stating that the KJVO churches do and say things differently that other Evangelical churches do.

It is precisely that "differently" aspect that places them at odds with other Evangelical churches; some which are part of large Evangelical denominations. And IMHO, the difficulty that other posters have understanding exactly what you are getting to is a part of that "differently" aspect. Because they all have different backgrounds, they will not have the same degree of "acceptance" that you have for the pastors and people who share the same KJVO viewpoints as you do.

Therein lies the difficulty of the communication level. I hope this helps the discussion go further along.