Divorce is rejection of God

[iLOVE]

<SUP> </SUP>And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 KJV
If you do not make God first in your life and give thanks, all things will seperate from you. You may get the puppy dog blessings through self-effort at times along with crumbs from the Masters table, but you will struggle because of your non committment in making God first in everything you do. God must be FIRST.

 

[farouk]

<SUP> </SUP>And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 KJV
If you do not make God first in your life and give thanks, all things will seperate from you. You may get the puppy dog blessings through self-effort at times along with crumbs from the Masters table, but you will struggle because of your non committment in making God first in everything you do. God must be FIRST.

iLOVE:

Sounds good.

 

[Deborah13]

As the OP looks at it, it may be true, whatever he said; but the way someone else is looking at it may have NOTHING to do with the OP perspective. It may be merely to escape intolerable abuse or being sucked dry of all one's life and energy not able to go on anymore. They may be at a point that the despair and hopelessness from ongoing pain and suffering is so great that in their desperation divorce is the only avenue of life and hope as they can see it from where they are. They may have no intention or idea of rejecting God.

Thank you for this post.

 

[farouk]

The question also arises, Who judges what is intolerable? God, by His grace? or secularist lawyers' measures?

 

[farouk]

The poor individual who is almost dead inside and has lost practically all hope judges what is intolerable; who else???!!! It is so EASY to spout off doctrine and theories about "toughing" it out in a marriage when one hasn't lived through life-threatening abuse after abuse or done all of what the Bible says for years and years and still have the other one killing them with indescribable emotional torture. You should get off your soap boxes and have a little compassion. Your marriage may be blessed and great but there is another topic I bet you won't even think about stepping up on a soap box about. How does it go; "Anyone who has not sinned, cast the first stone?" Are you perfect? God sees all sin as equal in His sight. It takes no more of Jesus' blood to purify a murderer and rapist than a liar, deceiver, gossiper, "judger", self-righteous snob or "luster." As the saying goes, "The ground is level at the foot of the cross." Many who have gotten a divorce aren't proud of it and consider it sin but who of us is sinless? I think that some here are really being cold,mean and ugly toward their fellow brothers and sisters.

Romans 5.20.

(No circumstance, nothing, is greater than the grace of God.)

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

The poor individual who is almost dead inside and has lost practically all hope judges what is intolerable; who else???!!! It is so EASY to spout off doctrine and theories about "toughing" it out in a marriage when one hasn't lived through life-threatening abuse after abuse or done all of what the Bible says for years and years and still have the other one killing them with indescribable emotional torture. You should get off your soap boxes and have a little compassion. Your marriage may be blessed and great but there is another topic I bet you won't even think about stepping up on a soap box about. How does it go; "Anyone who has not sinned, cast the first stone?" Are you perfect? God sees all sin as equal in His sight. It takes no more of Jesus' blood to purify a murderer and rapist than a liar, deceiver, gossiper, "judger", self-righteous snob or "luster." As the saying goes, "The ground is level at the foot of the cross." Many who have gotten a divorce aren't proud of it and consider it sin but who of us is sinless? I think that some here are really being cold,mean and ugly toward their fellow brothers and sisters.

I endured a marriage that featured addictions on both sides. I came to grips with mine through Christ. She faded into the background, becoming enamored with a drug dealer/manufacturer and we divorced. I raised my kids by myself. She couldn't become fully clean and sober until just about four years ago, when my son was in college and my daughter in high school. The kids don't feel much of anything for her. She abandoned them, she abandoned me. Certainly I gave her cause for her own doubts through my pathological gambling (compulsive gambling, the terms are interchangeable) but her response was to fall into her own addictions to cocaine and meth.

Divorce was a relief for the kids and me. Anyone who would criticize me for saving my kids from that nightmare hasn't a clue about the grace and power of God. Period. You honestly believe He would have us go through years and years of pain, suffering, visiting the woman in jail, wondering where she was sleeping tonight? The pain we exchanged throughout our marriage was sufficient, thank you.

I did not run to the arms of another woman. I embraced my children and made sure they had one loving, caring, responsible parent. That was 20 years ago. I had my first real, serious date since that time just four months ago. She is a loving, caring, wonderful woman. God has given me great grace in helping my children to become God-loving, responsible adults. Now He is giving me the chance to love again.

I truly feel sorry for you who think divorce is rejecting God. The truth is, it can be about drawing near to God and letting Him bless us as He sees fit.

 

[Dustoftheearth]


If you do not make God first in your life and give thanks, all things will seperate from you. You may get the puppy dog blessings through self-effort at times along with crumbs from the Masters table, but you will struggle because of your non committment in making God first in everything you do. God must be FIRST.

But, without love it means nothing, and without faith it is sin and self righteousness.

 

[Deborah13]

Divorce was a relief for the kids and me. Anyone who would criticize me for saving my kids from that nightmare hasn't a clue about the grace and power of God. Period.
I truly feel sorry for you who think divorce is rejecting God. The truth is, it can be about drawing near to God and letting Him bless us as He sees fit.

Thank you for sharing your testimony and your heart, it is not an easy thing to expose one's heart to disapproval from another's.
Personally, I admire your resolve to trust God that His grace is such that He would not forsake you or your children and would continue to love and bless you.

 

[farouk]

I don't doubt the deep pathos involved in some of the experiences which have been related.

In terms of what is authoritative, my mind does go to verses such as Matthew 5.32 and Luke 16.18.

Blessings.

 

[D2wing]

A little leaven leavens the whole lump. The OP seems to be under some kind of legalism contrary to the Gospel. Nowhere does the word say that divorce is rejecting God. Yes, God hates divorce. Marriage is a special covenant between a man, woman and God. But breaking that covenant is forgivable and may be necessary in some cases. We are not here to judge be to be ministers of reconciliation to God. It is Satan that is the accuser of the brethren. So I reject the original post as a path to error. And an attempt to put others under the law and judgement. We are born of grace or the law? Grace and no other.

 

[iLOVE]

<SUP> </SUP>And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28 KJV
If you do not make God first in your life and give thanks, all things will seperate from you. You may get the puppy dog blessings through self-effort at times along with crumbs from the Masters table, but you will struggle because of your non committment in making God first in everything you do. God must be FIRST.

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. John 15:5. All things in your life including your marriage will be out of order without Lord Jesus Christ. Yes you will receive grace in your marriage because you have been seated in heaven by being the righteousness of Christ by faith, but all things will remain out of order in your marriage and life because God is not first. Most believers only learn this after they have hit rock bottom.

 

[farouk]

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. John 15:5. All things in your life including your marriage will be out of order without Lord Jesus Christ. Yes you will receive grace in your marriage because you have been seated in heaven by being the righteousness of Christ by faith, but all things will remain out of order in your marriage and life because God is not first. Most believers only learn this after they have hit rock bottom.

Some good thoughts about abiding in the vine, John 15.

 

[iLOVE]

Some good thoughts about abiding in the vine, John 15.

Thank you. I only say these things because God has wrote them on my heart.

 

[farouk]

Thank you. I only say these things because God has wrote them on my heart.

YW. Scriptural, anyway.

 

[iLOVE]

<SUP class=versenum>31 </SUP>So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ <SUP class=versenum>32 </SUP>For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them.<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> <SUP class=versenum>33 </SUP>But seek first his kingdom<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP> <SUP class=versenum>34 </SUP>Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. Matthew 6:31-34
God's highlighted words gives the "condition" for God blessings; His interests are to be "first".

<SUP class=versenum>17 </SUP>Every good and perfect gift is from above,<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP> coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights,<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> who does not change<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP> like shifting shadows. James 1:17

Please relate this to your life and marriage. Because God has given us His Son we can freely receive all things from God. However this is only done by making God first.

 

[evenifigoalone]

My parents divorced when I was little.

Of course I didn't know this back then, but, yes, adultery was involved. Among other issues. I don't know everything about it, obviously.
And because there were two children involved (my brother and me), another thing was my mom didn't want him as our role model. She put it off as long as she could, prayed about it a long time. In fact, he wanted to get a divorce long before she agreed to it. She gave it every chance she could.

I don't agree with divorce for just any old reason or because "I don't love him/her anymore", but in some cases I do think it's the right action to take. In my parent's case, it definitely was. It wasn't an on-the-fly decision. It was a last resort with a lot of thought and prayer put into it.

My mom remarried a few years later, to a Godly man. I was there, and I say God honored that marriage.

If you ask me, you could hardly say that my mom rejected God. She's one of the people most concerned with following His will that I know, and was back then as well.

 

[Dustoftheearth]

"I am the vine; you are the branches. If a man remains in me and I in him, he will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing. John 15:5. All things in your life including your marriage will be out of order without Lord Jesus Christ. Yes you will receive grace in your marriage because you have been seated in heaven by being the righteousness of Christ by faith, but all things will remain out of order in your marriage and life because God is not first. Most believers only learn this after they have hit rock bottom.

What about the unbelieving spouse who chooses to leave?

 

[iLOVE]

What about the unbelieving spouse who chooses to leave?

God loves the the unbeliever just as much as the believer. What we do as believers or unbelievers is not going to make God not to love us anymore or any less. He may not approve what we do, but He still loves us.

 

[Dustoftheearth]

God loves the the unbeliever just as much as the believer. What we do as believers or unbelievers is not going to make God not to love us anymore or any less. He may not approve what we do, but He still loves us.

Yes, I know God loves the unbeliever, but that is not the subject of reply.

You said that if a believer has placed God first, then their marriage is covered by God’s grace, and that it will hit rock bottom if the believer does not have God first.

So if I may ask again; ‘What about the unbelieving spouse, who chooses to leave?’

We need to be very careful about what we say or write on such matters, because there is a danger that our unscriptural fairy stories, may cause a brother or sister to stumble.

Just to say also, that I know very many couples who not only do not put God first, but even totally reject Him, and yet in many cases, I would say that their marriages are truly blessed, or at least nowhere near rock bottom.

 

[iLOVE]

Yes, I know God loves the unbeliever, but that is not the subject of reply.

You said that if a believer has placed God first, then their marriage is covered by God’s grace, and that it will hit rock bottom if the believer does not have God first.

So if I may ask again; ‘What about the unbelieving spouse, who chooses to leave?’

We need to be very careful about what we say or write on such matters, because there is a danger that our unscriptural fairy stories, may cause a brother or sister to stumble.

Just to say also, that I know very many couples who not only do not put God first, but even totally reject Him, and yet in many cases, I would say that their marriages are truly blessed, or at least nowhere near rock bottom.

The unbeliever never had eternal salvation when they were married so why would they have eternal salvation when they leave the marriage? They only had Grace extended to them because they married a believer.
You and those married couples you know are more than welcome to continue to test God and not make Him first...As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. Joshua 24:15