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Do Apostles still walk the Earth?

I don't think there is a 2,000 year old apostle walking around, but that is not the question.

Actually, it IS the question.

If there were a 2,000-year-old apostle walking around, I'd think he would have made himself known by this time in order to lead the world to Christ.

Why would he make himself known to the masses? To prove it would destroy the foundation that has been laid for people to be able to take it on faith, which is what God wants. He could easily still lead people to Christ without making himself known.

Well, this is what John said about that:
Originally Posted by The Apostle John
John 21:23
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Now this is interesting, and very relevant. Thank you, I was unaware of this scripture. Looking at this, It doesn't seem to confirm it either way. True enough, He did not say he shall not die. He said he shall not taste of death. but if I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? seems to be a polite way of saying mind your own business! He did not confirm or deny it.

So this leads me to believe...that it may be true. Of course, there are other ways for a man to not taste of death, and not be left on the earth too. Wasn't (Enosh or Enoch?) taken up, in the OT? :confused

This is interesting! To think that John (or whomever?) could still be walking the earth is thought provoking. He could be some old Rabbi type set up somewhere overseas in a modest little cottage, teaching people...or he could be your neighbor! He wouldn't have to look old I suppose, knowing the power of God. Perhaps, that type of speculation is going too far with it, for, what is that to thee (me)?
 
Oh, I'm sorry! in crossing it to other translations, I went to the website http://bible.cc/matthew/16-28.htm and see that it took me to Matthew 16:28 instead of the Mark 9 that I had been reading this morning! Sorry for the confusion, look at Matthew 16:28 and it is the same thing but a different Gospel!

Matthew 16:28

28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. (KJV)

:oops

Oh, Ok, now I see where you're coming from. I assumed you were still talking about the original verse. Why didn't I think to check the same story in the other Gospels???:shrug
 
This thread and the ideas that are considered here might be used for other profitable purpose.

Let's consider what John said about what Jesus said for a moment.

The Apostle John said:
John 21:23
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

John mentioned that the saying "went abroad among the brethren." Can we imagine how that happened? It's not too much of a stretch to think it may have gone along these lines:
Brother One: "Did you hear what the Master said the other day?"
Brother Two: "Nope, not yet. Do tell."
Brother One: "Well, he said that some would not taste death."
Brother Two: "ORLY?"
Brother One: "Yep, and I think he may have been looking at John when he said it too."
Brother Two: "That makes sense, I've heard him being called "The Beloved"."
Brother One: "What do you think the Master could have meant by that?"

So where's the profit in that, one may ask?
How about if we were to understand that sometimes our brothers make errors in their thinking?
What if we learned to be compassionate and used this information to increase tolerance while listening?

This thought could be combined with other Scriptures for form guidelines. James spoke about this, see James 1:19
 
The kingdom of God came with power the day the Holy Spirit indwelled the believers. He changed their lives, gave them the ability to change the world. The fulfillment of the kingdom of God is both in the heart of every true believer, and will come in power to rule the world after the Thousand Year Reign.

No, apostles do not still walk the earth. And there are no "new" ones, despite that being the name of an office in some churches.

There were more than 12 apostles. Jesus is classified as an apostle in Heb. 3:1, Paul and others are holders of this office if it is an office. It is my opinion that a man is classified as an apostle if he has been entrusted with the message. There maybe one or more of them that are contemporaries. But no apostle of God is affiliated with any contemporary church nor are they the product of any religious school of any sort. The position of apostle is a men only club. Women are not holders of the position nor will they ever be. In particular even if they reside on opposite sides of the earth and have never had any contact. The message they teach will not digress from the message taught in the scriptures by the apostles who wrote them nor will there be any digression of teaching between them. For the knowledge they have been taught has been taught to them directly by God. And what they teach is a conflict with all contemporary religious perspectives especially the assumptions promoted by the contemporary "Christian" churches.
 
I like reading what was revealed to John in context of this discussion, meaning Rev 21:14 and thereabouts. Although there are more than 12 Apostles listed in the NT, there are exactly 12 called "The Apostles of the Lamb". This will continue to be true unto the end where we see the reveal of the Bride, the Lamb's Wife as shown to John.
 
There were more than 12 apostles. Jesus is classified as an apostle in Heb. 3:1, Paul and others are holders of this office if it is an office. It is my opinion that a man is classified as an apostle if he has been entrusted with the message. There maybe one or more of them that are contemporaries. But no apostle of God is affiliated with any contemporary church nor are they the product of any religious school of any sort. The position of apostle is a men only club. Women are not holders of the position nor will they ever be. In particular even if they reside on opposite sides of the earth and have never had any contact. The message they teach will not digress from the message taught in the scriptures by the apostles who wrote them nor will there be any digression of teaching between them. For the knowledge they have been taught has been taught to them directly by God. And what they teach is a conflict with all contemporary religious perspectives especially the assumptions promoted by the contemporary "Christian" churches.

That's very interesting. Learn something new everyday. Thanks, Brother.
 
I like reading what was revealed to John in context of this discussion, meaning Rev 21:14 and thereabouts. Although there are more than 12 Apostles listed in the NT, there are exactly 12 called "The Apostles of the Lamb". This will continue to be true unto the end where we see the reveal of the Bride, the Lamb's Wife as shown to John.

That was interesting too. I was about to ask who is the 12 Apostle, it's pretty clear that Judas was not. So Matthais was I see on that website. I never heard of him before.
 
Whoops, double post, sorry.
 
The twelve apostles held a unique position. In referring to the New Jerusalem, the Bible states those twelve are to be given a unique honor.
Revelation 21 NASB
14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
The twelve apostles, the only ones given the right to be called a true apostle of Jesus Christ, are obviously referred to in Matthew 10:2; Mark 3:14; 4:10; 6:7; 9:35; 14:10, 17, 23; Luke 6:13; 9:1; 22:14; John 6:71; Acts 6:2; and 1 Corinthians 15:5. It was these twelve apostles who were the first messengers of the gospel after the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, the men He personally chose to be witnesses of His life and ministry. It was these twelve apostles who were the foundation of the church -- with Jesus being the cornerstone as stated in Ephesians 2:20.

This specific type of apostle is not present in the church today. The qualifications of this type of apostle were:

(1) to have been a witness of the resurrected Christ:
i Corinthians 9
1 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord?
(2) to have been explicitly chosen by the Holy Spirit
Acts 9
15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel;
16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name's sake."
(3) to have the ability to perform signs and wonders.
2 Corinthians 12 12 The signs of a true apostle were performed among you with all perseverance, by signs and wonders and miracles.
The role of the twelve apostles, laying the foundation of the church, would also argue for their uniqueness. Two thousand years later, we are not still working on the foundation, we are building the structure that is the church of God.

If there were "apostles" today, what exactly would be their role that would qualify them for the title without inferring they have the ministry as that of the twelve apostles? That is not entirely clear, and I would submit it is impossible the confer that title on anyone alive today. Apostle, from the Greek apostolus, means "messenger, ambassador." Certainly we are all to be "ambassadors" for Christ, but does that confer upon us the title of apostle or give us (or anyone) the duties and powers of the office. No. Absolutely, decidely, no.

From the definition of the word, the closest thing today to an apostle, in the general sense, is a missionary. A missionary is a follower of Christ who is sent out with the specific mission of proclaiming the gospel. A missionary is an ambassador of Christ to people who have not heard the good news. However, to prevent confusion, it is likely best to not use the term apostle to refer to any position in the church today. The vast majority of occurrences of the word apostle or apostles in the New Testament refer to the twelve apostles of Jesus Christ.

There are some today who are seeking to restore the position of apostle. Frequently, those claiming the office of apostle seek authority equal to, or at least rivaling, the authority of the original twelve apostles. There is absolutely no biblical evidence to support such an understanding of the role of apostle today. This would fit with the New Testament’s warning against false apostles.
2 Corinthians 11
12 But what I am doing I will continue to do, so that I may cut off opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the matter about which they are boasting.
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
Don't desire for yourself, or believe anyone who claims for themselves, the title "apostle." The twelve men who suffered and died as did our Savior to bring the gospel message to the world, as His ambassadors, are insulted, intentionally or not, when someone claims to assume that office.
 
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There are some today who are seeking to restore the position of apostle. I have to wonder if that was the purpose of the OP in this thread. This is a dangerous movement. Frequently, those claiming the office of apostle seek authority equal to, or at least rivaling, the authority of the original twelve apostles. There is absolutely no biblical evidence to support such an understanding of the role of apostle today. This would fit with the New Testament’s warning against false apostles.

No no no no no. I do not seek to restore the position of Apostle, nor do I seek the title. I am but a lowly young Christian and only struggle to gain closer relationship with my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I do not pretend to be qualified to do any great work. There is no deception here or effort to restore or create any movement of any type. I merely read the scripture that some of the Disciples may not taste of death and wondered if it be that perhaps there be an original Apostle walking the earth.

You wrote a good treatise on Apostleship and I think I agree that perhaps we should stop using the term for the reasons you listed. Yet I was talking about one of the original Apostles, so technically speaking, I do not think I misused the term. Maybe it was a dumb question to post, but like they say, the only dumb question is one that is not asked, and I did learn some things. So perhaps it wasn't all bad. Please don't think that I had a hidden agenda though. I do not claim or seek the office of Apostle. I am only a child of God. I am nothing, and God is everything! Praise the Lord!
 
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No no no no no. I do not seek to restore the position of Apostle, nor do I seek the title.
It was not a direct reference to anyone on here, Edward. I'm simply saying, there are many denominations and "nondenominational" churches today that hold to the view that the office of apostle is still valid today. No offense or presumption intended. Sorry if it swept you up in the general statement. I didn't intend to do so.
 
It was not a direct reference to anyone on here, Edward. I'm simply saying, there are many denominations and "nondenominational" churches today that hold to the view that the office of apostle is still valid today. No offense or presumption intended. Sorry if it swept you up in the general statement. I didn't intend to do so.

Oh. Well, you referred to the original post so I thought you were talking about me. No problem Brother.
 
Oh. Well, you referred to the original post so I thought you were talking about me. No problem Brother.
I just realized I left that in, I had intended to edit it out once I realized you were the OP and had previously stated that was not your intent. I've removed it now. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Actually, it IS the question.

Oops.... Misread the question and I stand corrected.

NO, I don't believe that a 2000 year old Apostle is still here. 11 of the Apostles were still around when that prophecy was fulfilled.

I still stand on my belief that there are apostles here today. These are men called and ambassadors. I do not think we are all called to be ambassadors. Some of us are called to follow and others to lead. In the end, yes all that are called will be kings and priests and will eventually fill a higher seat than even "apostle".

I do respect thisnumberdisconnected, and his input. But I don't agree with it. The only qualification for an apostle is that he is called and sent by the Christ to be a leader. They may perform "signs and wonders and miracles". But that doesn't make them Apostles, nor is it required. Furthermore, what right does anyone have in naming such? Sometimes the biggest wonders, and signs, and miracles are unseen.

Are they required to see Christ risen? You can say yes or no, but there is no indictation that Paul ever did. He wasn't there With Peter, Mary or anyone else. He saw Christ in his glorified form. Whose to say someone who is an apostle today didn't receive the same type of visitation? You? Me?

I don't get upset if someone uses the title "apostle". It's a lot better than someone calling themselves "father" or "Reverend". Those are God's titles! But if he uses that title, be better really be one.
 
Being a young Christian, I tend to try to be on the cautious side just in case. There is much I have to learn and I am not arrogant enough to even think about seeking a title, other than child of God!Heck, I sort of hesitate to call myself a Christian because I don't feel very Christlike! Nevertheless, I recognize as my duty to at least give my testimony of God helping me in my life. Not a real ministry but what I am to do, and do do. I look forward to being a bigger better Christian, but can not really see where God is taking me yet. I be still and know that he is God, and read & pray, and listen carefully to people more mature than I in the faith. I am learning daily, and have the Holy Spirit guiding me, and when Christians talk, it either has the ring of truth to it and lines up with what I do know and have been revealed, in which case I respect the man and God through him, and if it doesn't have the ring of truth to it etc., I do make an effort to put in my two cents and help edify based on what I do know. I think that is my Christian duty and a safe place to be for where I am.

There are people from totally lost and confused all the way through Holy men of God that the Spirit is obviously strong with on this board, so it's a nice mixture where I can learn and perhaps help also with encouragement towards the truth. I amy speak in error at times and appreciate being corrected from more mature Christians, lest I cause anyone to stumble. If I ever do achieve more status (so to speak), it will come not from me declaring it to be so, but from another. This is how one learns that they "are" or "something" (I hope that makes sense).
Sort of like, you're not an expert until someone calls you one. It never comes from a self-declaration.
 
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I do respect thisnumberdisconnected, and his input. But I don't agree with it. The only qualification for an apostle is that he is called and sent by the Christ to be a leader.
Thanks for the respect, Slider, but I have to point out that my input is not really mine, but Paul's. I bow to his expertise, and doubt anyone today is qualified to change the definition of "apostle."
 
My considered opinion is similar to those others have stated. Yes, Apostles are "sent". Jesus was (is) the first Apostle, being sent by God. I also think that we might agree on the purpose of an Apostle, that he must be a church builder. If I were "sent" to get water, would I qualify? It might be alleged that I was "sent" by Christ in service for a brother, but I don't think that, in and of itself, would qualify me for the title.
 
Which of the various versions of the KJV are you reading this in? The ones I am reading say "...till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power" (Mark 9:1 KJV, 1769 and 1900 corrections), not "...till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom."

Corrections or corruptions.
 
Thanks for the respect, Slider, but I have to point out that my input is not really mine, but Paul's. I bow to his expertise, and doubt anyone today is qualified to change the definition of "apostle."

Paul didn't change the definition, nor did he define it. He used the word in his writings and at best, expounded on it. I am going by the definition of the word he used in the way he used it. His chief qualification he gives is that he was sent by God (see the opening statement in almost all his Epistles). If the word means "one sent by God" or "a messenger", or "ambassador", I do believe the word can apply to some today.

Again, it's not a term to be used or claimed lightly. And no, there will never be another of the "12 Apostles" in what their particular job was.
 
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