Do certain bands, groups etc actually kill people?

[essentials]

Or are their lyrics about human sacrafice and killing people purely dramatic? Im thinking of bands like High on Fire and Metallica, not to mention a horde of various black and death metal bands. If they do, it's hard to imagine how they get away with it year after year, but the lyrics are sung with such conviction ya know? Read the lyrics to "Death is This Communion" by High on Fire for example so you can see what I mean. I do respect these bands for the music they create but some of the lyrical content is pretty crazy in my opinion...

 

[seekandlisten]

Or are their lyrics about human sacrafice and killing people purely dramatic? Im thinking of bands like High on Fire and Metallica, not to mention a horde of various black and death metal bands. If they do, it's hard to imagine how they get away with it year after year, but the lyrics are sung with such conviction ya know? Read the lyrics to "Death is This Communion" by High on Fire for example so you can see what I mean. I do respect these bands for the music they create but some of the lyrical content is pretty f-d up in my opinion...

First, I would think this is in the wrong section as it should probably be in music.

Second, most of the lyrics are purely metaphorical. Now there are some bands that take this to extremes and sing about satanic stuff and rituals but from what I've seen they are mostly poseurs.

As for the song example you give I would almost say it has more of a religious vibe to it than what you think it is saying.

the site of last horizons, the minions seek to ressurect a god
the graves hold arcane mysteries, various swamps hide terrible catacombs
the circle of redeemers, the pact is made with human sacrifice
under storm filled skies, behemoth of the sea awakes...arise
tremble at the horror in which it writhes
once they behold and unearth the titans might
faithful servants pay its ghastly price
slithering, blasphemous, curse upon all life

death is this communion
now you realize (repeat 4X)

 

[essentials]

True, ill delete this topic before it gets too big, question answered by logical thinking-I tend to rush things.

 

[essentials]

Or a mod can do it for me haha...

 

[Blazin Bones]

Or I can just move it to where it belongs.

 

[essentials]

Do whatever pleases you my friend.

 

[Nick]

I'm not sure that bands actually kill people, but some of their lyrics are not far off.

How about Canabal Corpse's Rancid Amptutations?

Torsos hang from their own intestines
Raped of all bodily extentions, stumps wreathing in a sludge
Like infection
Suffering through a Rancid amputation
A pulsating artery accomanied by some veins, slit with no restraint
Sacs of pus develop
My muscles tighten as I feel the rush
I look at your body starting gush

I slice through the limb,
a human dissection portions of half-eaten flesh in my mouth
starting to chew your now bleeding stump

That's not the worse part of that song. I don't want to post the rest here. But the point is that there are some bands like this an Mayrlin Manson that are just disgusting and it really would not be a stretch to imagine.

 

[yepimonfire]

99% of these bands are just doing this to "look cool" now i will say there are REAL satanic bands that DO worship satan, however many satanists, at least today, do not truly sacrifice anything, but then again, there are three types of satanists, laveyan satanists, which dont really beleive in a literal satan, spiritual satanists which beleive in a literal satan but just scratch the surface of it, and then there are those lurking in the shadows that belong to a highly secretive organization that is probably the most real satanism there is. many of the highly secretive ones do perform real sacrifices, but none of this hits the public eye because of its secretivness. many of these type satanists arent at all public about their beleifs and you would probably never guess them. they belong to an ancient "cult" known as the brotherhood of satan that has been around since the beginning of time. they are slowly coming out of the shadows now and not all of their extensions perform these types of acts, mainly the ones deep in the "higher ups" especially the ones involved with the illuminati. no doubt they do do some strange rituals, all of them. i know a satanist who summoned a demon once and was disrespectful to it and it literally ate him. point being is no christian should be listening to this type of music, it goes against all of our core beleifs and even blasphemes our great god.

 

[Nick]

99% of these bands are just doing this to "look cool" now i will say there are REAL satanic bands that DO worship satan, however many satanists, at least today, do not truly sacrifice anything, but then again, there are three types of satanists, laveyan satanists, which dont really beleive in a literal satan, spiritual satanists which beleive in a literal satan but just scratch the surface of it, and then there are those lurking in the shadows that belong to a highly secretive organization that is probably the most real satanism there is. many of the highly secretive ones do perform real sacrifices, but none of this hits the public eye because of its secretivness. many of these type satanists arent at all public about their beleifs and you would probably never guess them. they belong to an ancient "cult" known as the brotherhood of satan that has been around since the beginning of time. they are slowly coming out of the shadows now and not all of their extensions perform these types of acts, mainly the ones deep in the "higher ups" especially the ones involved with the illuminati. no doubt they do do some strange rituals, all of them. i know a satanist who summoned a demon once and was disrespectful to it and it literally ate him. point being is no christian should be listening to this type of music, it goes against all of our core beleifs and even blasphemes our great god.

Whether these bands, like the one above are the exteme satinists or not, they are definately to be avoided by Christians.

 

[seekandlisten]

I'm not sure that bands actually kill people, but some of their lyrics are not far off.

How about Canabal Corpse's Rancid Amptutations?

Torsos hang from their own intestines
Raped of all bodily extentions, stumps wreathing in a sludge
Like infection
Suffering through a Rancid amputation
A pulsating artery accomanied by some veins, slit with no restraint
Sacs of pus develop
My muscles tighten as I feel the rush
I look at your body starting gush

I slice through the limb,
a human dissection portions of half-eaten flesh in my mouth
starting to chew your now bleeding stump

That's not the worse part of that song. I don't want to post the rest here. But the point is that there are some bands like this an Mayrlin Manson that are just disgusting and it really would not be a stretch to imagine.

Cannibal Corpse like most death metal bands tend to draw upon lyrics revolving around death, gore, and such. This does not make them satanic just another death metal band. I'm more of a melodic death metal fan so the lyrics usually aren't that brutal. I have seen Cannibal Corpse live and they are pretty intense but far from satanic. You also have to realize many of the good song writers use these type of lyrics to portray a more metaphorical meaning. I find it odd that if you switch the lyrics of blood and gore to refer to the fight between good and evil, as some 'Christian' death metal bands do, somehow people don't have such a problem with it.

I will also point out that when it comes to lyrics and music, it is an art form. Marilyn Manson, as you brought up, is a highly misrepresented artist. I realize most Christians view him as the 'spawn of satan' but you'd be surprised at the meanings behind his songs and why he does what he does.

cheers

 

[seekandlisten]

i know a satanist who summoned a demon once and was disrespectful to it and it literally ate him.

Sound pretty far fetched? Did you witness this with your own eyes or is it more 'I had a friend once who told me about this guy . . .'?

 

[Nick]

Marylin Manson is a satinist - a member of the church of satan. That is enough for me not to even listen to me. He can also be accused of promoting violence. I do not think this is healthy to listen to at all.

 

[seekandlisten]

Marylin Manson is a satinist - a member of the church of satan. That is enough for me not to even listen to me.

Well he's not a devil worshiper if that's what you think. Here is what Manson says on the matter.

"What nearly everybody in my life . . . had misunderstood about Satanism was that it is not about ritual sacrifices, digging up graves and worshipping the devil. The devil doesn't exist. Satanism is about worshipping yourself, because you are responsible for you own good and evil. . . .I'm not and have never been a spokesperson for Satanism. It's simply part of what I believe in, along with Dr. Seuss, Dr. Hook, Nietzsche and the Bible, which I also believe in." (The Long Hard Road Out of Hell)

So, while there is still many things that Christians would find wrong with his music I'm sure, it's not like he's promoting devil worship or anything.

He can also be accused of promoting violence. I do not think this is healthy to listen to at all.

He can be accused but does that make it true. I'm not trying to promote that it's okay for Christians to listen to Manson, but at least keep your arguments to the facts as there are many rumors made in regards to him, usually by religious groups, so they should be verifiable. I simply agree with his art and the point he is trying to get across.

“I never said to be like me, I say to be like you and make a difference.â€
Marilyn Manson

cheers

 

[Samara]

While Manson doesn't worship the devil specifically, he is very anti-God and anti-Christianity and a lot of his songs are specifically about that. With that said though, there are songs of his I enjoy and have been known to listen to when I probably shouldn't. Music is my weakness.

Before I was a Christian, I saw Marilyn Manson in concert and he ripped up a Bible on stage. Even then I knew it was wrong and I didn't like it.

I don't think he is conciously trying to hurt God, simply because he doesn't believe in God. I think his agenda if he actually has one would be more against Christians themselves because he sees us as a threat to himself and people in society with our views that he disagrees with. Mostly though, i think he just likes the shock factor with his music.

As for the question about whether I believe certain musicians or groups are killing people? Well, not with their music. It is not like their music puts people into a trance where they have no concious thought. Everyone is responsible for themselves and their own actions.

There are some revolting songs out there, with absolutely disgusting lyrics that I think reflects a perverse and sadistic evil mind... I think they have a negative effect on the people who listen to them, especially those who are troubled and suffering and may encourage a negative mindset.. but even still, i don't think those songs or those bands actually cause people to go out and do terrible things to others.

I do however don't think as Christians that we should be listening to music like this. It is far too negative and anti God. I admit though I do struggle with some songs. I wont listen to a song that blatantly sings against God, but I have been known to listen to other songs by the same artist (such as Marilyn Manson), which is probably not wise.

 

[Nick]

I do however don't think as Christians that we should be listening to music like this. It is far too negative and anti God. I admit though I do struggle with some songs. I wont listen to a song that blatantly sings against God, but I have been known to listen to other songs by the same artist (such as Marilyn Manson), which is probably not wise.

. Completely agree.

 

[Beesamps]

While very few of these "artists" promote murder, I can think of one band in particular "Mayhem" a Norwegian black metal band. I in no way endorse this band (or this genre) I just happened to see a news broadcast with them in it. One member committed suicide, another member was brought up on charges of murder. The member that was brought up on murder was charged with arson as well for burning churches. There are a lot of evil bands out there but this one is especially bad. Black metal in general is a very evil genre, a lot of these bands openly endorse satanism.

 

[seekandlisten]

While very few of these "artists" promote murder, I can think of one band in particular "Mayhem" a Norwegian black metal band. I in no way endorse this band (or this genre) I just happened to see a news broadcast with them in it. One member committed suicide, another member was brought up on charges of murder. The member that was brought up on murder was charged with arson as well for burning churches. There are a lot of evil bands out there but this one is especially bad. Black metal in general is a very evil genre, a lot of these bands openly endorse satanism.

Just to present a little more of the factual side of the story, in April of '91 the lead singer Per Yngve Ohlin aka Dead, committed suicide. The band produced 5 of their 6 full length albums after that fact. Suicide shouldn't be viewed as 'evil' but rather a sad occurrence that nobody reached out to this person. In '93 Varg Vikerness murdered Euronymous and was arrested shortly after and sentenced to 21 years in prison. Still early in the career of Mayhem with 5 albums coming after this date so not really an accurate portrayal of the band as he was only asked to play bass on the one album.

As for the burning of the churches, yes that was Vikerness but not so much related to Mayhem as he had his own band Barzum and an agenda of his own. This is what he said on the matter.

I am not going to say that I burnt any churches. But let me put it this way: There was one person who started it. I was not found guilty of burning the Fantoft stave church, but anyway, that was what triggered the whole thing. That was the 6th of June and everyone linked it to Satanism ... What everyone overlooked was that on the 6th June, year 793, in Lindesfarne in Britain was the site of the first known Viking raid in history, with Vikings from Hordaland, which is my county ... They [the Christians] desecrated our graves, our burial mounds, so it's revenge.

(Michael Moynihan, Lords of Chaos, p. 88; quoted in: M. Gardell, Gods of the Blood, p.306)

Here is the lyrics to the song Key To The Storms off of Mayhem's 2007 release Ordo Ad Chao. Not exactly speaking of killing people.


Key To The Storms

Penetrate the lions at the gates
Illusions flow
After the next Iron Age
Mankind lost
The ships of flames rise to the sky
Annunaki on board

Watcher searches inside the thoughts
Inner waves corresponding outer frequencies
Rider falls down
The slave set free

Unknown path
The ways to wisdom are hidden
Shall the speaker silence

And the memories fade apart
Like the new attraction of outer space

Where the atomic corpus melts
Beyond the source of fears

Watcher sits on the borderthrone of insanity
Giving solution of existence from nonsense



Sometimes it's best to get the full story.

cheers