Do we need to repent of the sins of our fathers?

[Wrg1405]

I have been told that we need to repent of generational sin that is passed on.

I don't beleive this to be true because we are responsible for our own sin.
It is evident though that generational sin can and seems to pass on, even to those who are believers.

Any thoughts, nuggets of wisdom?

 

[GodsGrace]

Do we have a PERSONAL relationship with Jesus?
Personal means between me and Him.

 

[Wrg1405]

Yes we do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Then you're only to be concerned with YOUR sins.
We cannot ask God to forgive other people.
We are each responsible for ourselves, just like you stated.

In the O.T. the idea of generational curses, or sin, is present.
But this was meant that the new generations sometimes had the attributes of the older generation.
We hear sometimes that this could be perpetuated for seven generations.

Jesus did away with the Law. Even IF that were true, it no longer is. Jesus is the New Law, the New Covenant - we now live under grace.
Galatians 3:13

God holds us responsible ONLY for OUR own pesonal sins.
God is a just God.

Wondering

 

[Corn Pop]

Ezekiel 18:20

 

[stovebolts]

Generational sin can be simplified as traits, behavior and ideas you learned from your parents etc that you consider normal and ok, but are contrary to Gods word.
Repent simply means to start doing and living in accordance with Gods will. It's not a negative command, but a positive command.
One does not inherit the sins of anyone else, but we do take on what we've learned from our parents and these traits can be passed on from generation to generation. Each generation has the opportunity to break the cycle.

 

[Malachi]

I don't beleive this to be true because we are responsible for our own sin.

Correct.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Daniel accepted responsibility for the shame of 'generational' sin passed down to him and his people:

"4I prayed to the LORD my God and confessed and said, “Alas, O Lord, the great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and lovingkindness for those who love Him and keep His commandments, 5we have sinned, committed iniquity, acted wickedly and rebelled, even turning aside from Your commandments and ordinances. 6“Moreover, we have not listened to Your servants the prophets, who spoke in Your name to our kings, our princes, our fathers and all the people of the land.

7“Righteousness belongs to You, O Lord, but to us open shame, as it is this day—to the men of Judah, the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all Israel, those who are nearby and those who are far away in all the countries to which You have driven them, because of their unfaithful deeds which they have committed against You. 8“Open shame belongs to us, O Lord, to our kings, our princes and our fathers, because we have sinned against You." (Daniel 9:4-8 NASB)

 

[Edward]

I repented of my forefathers sins too, just in case. Can't hurt.

We can ask God to forgive other people! Jesus did, from the cross. We are in Him. Yes. :yes

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I repented of my forefathers sins too, just in case. Can't hurt.

We can ask God to forgive other people! Jesus did, from the cross. We are in Him. Yes. :yes

Intercession seems to be all about taking the sin and guilt and pain of other people's sins and afflictions on yourself just as if they are your's (that's what God's love is all about). So in that sense we are to identify with the sins of the fathers.

Now if we're committing the same sins as your fathers, that's another thing altogether.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I repented of my forefathers sins too, just in case.

I had to do this in the form of, "I totally reject the ways of my father. I want nothing to do with them. Deliver me and keep me safe from the temptation to follow in them, Lord Jesus".

 

[iLOVE]

If a Believer is operating under the "Law of Sin and Death," the generational curses apply.

The Believer that operates under the " Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" is blessed. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (He did so on the Cross), being made a curse for us (He took the penalty of the Law, which was death).

 

[Wrg1405]

Now if we're committing the same sins as your fathers, that's another thing altogether.

How so?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

How so?

If you do the things that your fathers did, you yourself are accountable for your own sins. It becomes irrelevant that they did those things before you.

 

[Wrg1405]

If you do the things that your fathers did, you yourself are accountable for your own sins. It becomes irrelevant that they did those things before you.

Yeh I get that and I beleive that people are responsible for their sin, but even if I do not do the things they did why reject the ways of the fathers as you say in your previous post?

Maybe I have misunderstood your quote #11.

Are you saying that you rejected the ways of your Father because you found yourself following his ways?
Did you do this to break generational sin before it took a foothold?

How would you counsel a beleiver who has the same struggle with sin that their father had, yet can't beat it given that each person is responsible for their own sin?

I know of people who are genuine lovely Christians yet struggle with the negative traits of their ancestors and hate it. How would you counsel them?

 

[stovebolts]

If a Believer is operating under the "Law of Sin and Death," the generational curses apply.

The Believer that operates under the " Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" is blessed. Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law (He did so on the Cross), being made a curse for us (He took the penalty of the Law, which was death).

I disagree. Just because your Dad was a deadbeat jerk doesn't give you the right to be a deadbeat jerk.
No, your not responsible for your father hitting or abusing your mother, but you are responsible when you hit or abuse your own wife.
We learn many good and bad behaviors from our Father. Growing up some of this bad behavior become normalized in our own life and we don't even know that what we are doing is wrong. After all, we are simply mimicking what our Father did, because he was a role model.

As your own person, you can stop hitting or abusing your wife, and you can start treating her with love as Gods word commands, using 1Cor 15 as a guideline for what love looks like.

Of course, all the above is not directed at you or your situation in any direct or indirect way. The above is merely an example from off the cuff that was intended not as an accusation toward you or anyone else, but again, it is an example of what inherited sin may look like.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Yeh I get that and I beleive that people are responsible for their sin, but even if I do not do the things they did why reject the ways of the fathers as you say in your previous post?

Because you're prolly being tempted to follow in your father's sinful footsteps. That's what a generational curse is about. We may be wired to repeat their sins because of the common biological connection we have with them, and, we've been watching and learning their ways for the first 18 or so years of our lives. For me it has meant saying, 'no', to patterns and temptations to sin that my father struggled with and was overcome with. I have to purposely choose to reject the particular things that challenge me because of who and what my father was by virtue of how his physical body was wired, and the things that characterized his person.

Are you saying that you rejected the ways of your Father because you found yourself following his ways?

I was following some, and felt the tug, even if ever so slight, to walk in others.

Did you do this to break generational sin before it took a foothold?

I did it to simply avoid being like my dad in those problematic areas. I had to resist the influence my father had on my life, biologically and socially. If you want to call that breaking a generational curse, then I guess that's what it is. The bottom line is I did not want to do what he did. I want to be like my heavenly father.

How would you counsel a beleiver who has the same struggle with sin that their father had, yet can't beat it given that each person is responsible for their own sin?

I know of people who are genuine lovely Christians yet struggle with the negative traits of their ancestors and hate it. How would you counsel them?

Recognize the source and acknowledge how those sins and ways have a particular foothold in your own life because of your father's particular biology and/or the nurture he provided. Then take ownership and responsibility of them just like you would any other sin and deal with it between you and God. ALL sin is ultimately a generational propensity to sin problem, anyway. Adam started it.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

your not responsible for your father hitting or abusing your mother, but you are responsible when you hit or abuse your own wife.
We learn many good and bad behaviors from our Father. Growing up some of this bad behavior become normalized in our own life and we don't even know that what we are doing is wrong. After all, we are simply mimicking what our Father did, because he was a role model.

Makes me think to this:
"17If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth;18 knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers" (1 Peter 1:17-18 NASB bold and underline mine)

I know Peter's probably referring to the Mosaic system of sacrifice and worship handed down to them (?), but I see it's application in regard to what you're talking about.

 

[Wrg1405]

I disagree. Just because your Dad was a deadbeat jerk doesn't give you the right to be a deadbeat jerk.
No, your not responsible for your father hitting or abusing your mother, but you are responsible when you hit or abuse your own wife.
We learn many good and bad behaviors from our Father. Growing up some of this bad behavior become normalized in our own life and we don't even know that what we are doing is wrong. After all, we are simply mimicking what our Father did, because he was a role model.

As your own person, you can stop hitting or abusing your wife, and you can start treating her with love as Gods word commands, using 1Cor 15 as a guideline for what love looks like.

Of course, all the above is not directed at you or your situation in any direct or indirect way. The above is merely an example from off the cuff that was intended not as an accusation toward you or anyone else, but again, it is an example of what inherited sin may look like.

So if a person can't control their anger what then? Is some kind of healing needed?

 

[Wrg1405]

Because you're prolly being tempted to follow in your father's sinful footsteps. That's what a generational curse is about. We may be wired to repeat their sins because of the common biological connection we have with them, and, we've been watching and learning their ways for the first 18 or so years of our lives. For me it has meant saying, 'no', to patterns and temptations to sin that my father struggled with and was overcome with. I have to purposely choose to reject the particular things that challenge me because of who and what my father was by virtue of how his physical body was wired, and the things that characterized his person.


I was following some, and felt the tug, even if ever so slight, to walk in others.


I did it to simply avoid being like my dad in those problematic areas. I had to resist the influence my father had on my life, biologically and socially. If you want to call that breaking a generational curse, then I guess that's what it is. The bottom line is I did not want to do what he did. I want to be like my heavenly father.


Recognize the source and acknowledge how those sins and ways have a particular foothold in your own life because of your father's particular biology and/or the nurture he provided. Then take ownership and responsibility of them just like you would any other sin and deal with it between you and God. ALL sin is ultimately a generational propensity to sin problem, anyway. Adam started it.

Ok how does one deal with it with God? Rejecting the sin or healing? Biologically does a person need healing? Are we talking genetics? The son may struggle yet cannot overcome but wants to. What would you say? It's easy to say "don't do it" but what to the person who does it without realising it