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[_ Old Earth _] Does Creation Theory exist at all?

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Creationists keep asking that their theory be taken seriously, as a scientific theory. Well, this is where we discover yet another problem with Creationism: there is no Creation Theory. No creationist has ever submitted a formal scientific research paper on this nebulous concept known as "creation theory"; they prefer to bypass the scientific community and take their case directly to laypeople and politicians (who presumably are better qualified to judge scientific merit). Every creationist has a different idea of what "creation theory" is, and the majority of them prefer not to pin it down, so that they can alter it "on the fly" in order to evade your criticisms.

Although there have been, as previously noted, no formal scientific research papers submitted to peer-reviewed journals regarding this "theory", and there are a virtually infinite number of permutations, most "creation theories" tend to fall into the following categories:

Biblical inerrancy-based "Young Earth Creationism". This theory claims that Genesis is 100% factual and literal. Of course, that is impossible, since a purely literal interpretation of Genesis fails the fundamental test of self-consistency as described in the previous section. It is also inconsistent with all of the geological and astrophysical evidence, since it proposes that the Earth is a mere 6,000 years old. Naturally, a lot of pseudoscience is advanced to "explain" how scientists are completely wrong about the age of the universe, but it always falls apart upon close examination. Click here if you're interested in learning more about Young-Earth Creationism.

"Each according to their kind" creationism. This theory accepts that Genesis cannot be taken literally, but it makes a curious exception for the "each according to their kind" statement. Even if we disregard this obvious hypocrisy, this theory is easy to disprove since it is based on the notion that evolutionary speciation is impossible. Since evolutionary speciation has already been observed in nature, this theory is just as worthless as Biblical "young Earth" creationism.

The "intelligent designer" theory. This is the most contemptible of all creation theories because it lacks the honesty and integrity to openly declare its religious basis. Its proponents know, and we know that the "intelligent designer" is just a "nudge nudge, wink wink" way of saying "God", obviously in an effort to bypass constitutional prohibitions against using public schools to promote one religion over others. This is creationist fallback position #1: keep the same theory, but try to call it "science" by not explicitly mentioning God. They expect us to forget that all proponents of "intelligent design" just happen to be Christian, or that none of them can explain what mechanisms this "designer" might have used, or more importantly, why this "designer" would have performed this design process over billions of years, in a linear progression precisely matching the predictions of evolution theory.

Vague creationism. This is the creationist fallback position #2. When they realize that the specifics of creation theory are completely indefensible from a scientific standpoint, they soften the argument to a vague statement like "at some point in the process, there must have been some outside intervention." They often state this "theory" with the triumphant declaration that it can't be disproven. The problem is that it is so vague that it doesn't qualify as a theory. It doesn't even attempt to explain what sort of intervention occurred, or when, or how. It can't be disproven because it says nothing of substance.

Creationists also fail to explain the mechanism. If every species arose from the dust in its current form, and God made this happen, then how did he do it? Did he seize the necessary elements and make them bond, molecule by molecule, cell by cell, until a complete life form existed? Did he repeat this process for every single animal and plant? How long did this process take, per creature? Which organs were created first? How did each creature survive, since the organs cannot function outside of the environment of a complete organism? How did he manipulate all of this matter? Electromagnetic fields? Intense localized space-time distortions? Machinery which he built and then destroyed? Exotic chemical reactions which have now become impossible?

And finally, creationists violate a fundamental aspect of the scientific method; they fail to assume the existence of a mechanism (this relates to the previous problem). Every schoolchild learns the "Coles Notes" version of the scientific method (observe, analyze, hypothesize, experiment, etc.), but many of them don't realize that this method is designed to find the underlying mechanism for any given phenomenon. It inherently assumes that the mechanism exists, and this basic assumption is common to all scientific theories because it follows from the conclusion (based on observation) that the universe is not random. It appears to follow a set of rules, and this means that those rules are out there, waiting for us to figure them out. Creationists are fond of stating that evolution is based on the "humanist assumption" that natural mechanisms exist to explain everything, but they ignore the fact that this "humanist assumption" is part and parcel of all scientific theories. Are they going to throw the theory of gravity or plate tectonics out the window because it's based on a "humanist assumption"? If we were to accept "Creation Theory", we would be accepting the only theory in all of science which assumes that the universe does not follow rules (despite the lack of evidence for such arbitrary behaviour), and that its events are subject to the random whims of a supernatural deity.

Creationists want their "theory" to be taken, and examined, as if it were like any other scientific theory. But it fails to qualify as a theory. The numerous variants are either unworkable or hopelessly vague, with no attempt whatsoever to explain the mechanisms involved. A legitimate scientific theory proposes equations, rules, and mechanisms to explain observed phenomena. Creation theory does none of this! Where is the mechanism? Where is the explanation of how God created living beings in their current form? What chemical reactions, or physical forces did he use, and in what configuration? How long did it take to create each being? How were the creatures kept alive during the process? In what precise order were they made, since some species (such as parasites) require living hosts?

These are questions which creationists have never asked themselves. Their instinctive response to all of these questions is that God doesn't have to obey any of the laws of physics (or biology, or chemistry, or logic ...). But if God doesn't have to obey any of the laws of physics, and he therefore created the Earth's life in a process that expressly violated the laws of physics, then creationists are essentially saying in order for their theory to work, the laws of physics must be ignored! How can they expect anyone to take this seriously, as a "scientific theory?"

As soon as you attempt to subject Creation theory to the most cursory evaluation "as a scientific theory", it is quite obvious that it breaks down completely. It begins with the central postulate that the laws of physics must be ignored, in favour of what is essentially magic! Creationists have become accustomed to the luxury of not being placed under scientific scrutiny. They attribute this scientific apathy to dogma and of course, the vast global cover-up. But they should be careful what they wish for, because if you actually do examine Creation theory as a "scientific theory", it looks even worse than it did before.
 
Pasta911 wrote:
Every creationist has a different idea of what "creation theory" is, and the majority of them prefer not to pin it down, so that they can alter it "on the fly" in order to evade your criticisms.
Hey. Just like Evolutionism. Personally, I’m a YEC but my theories evolve to include whatever nonsense the ToE currently insists has been proven, without the unnecessary millions of years.


Pasta911 wrote:
These are questions which creationists have never asked themselves. Their instinctive response to all of these questions is that God doesn't have to obey any of the laws of physics (or biology, or chemistry, or logic ...). But if God doesn't have to obey any of the laws of physics, and he therefore created the Earth's life in a process that expressly violated the laws of physics, then creationists are essentially saying in order for their theory to work, the laws of physics must be ignored! How can they expect anyone to take this seriously, as a "scientific theory?"

Did it ever occur to you that science doesn’t really even know all the laws of physics yet?
 
Just a few mins..

Appropriate place to recommend the helpful menu @ http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp

As promised, I've brought in their "Revised & Expanded Answers Book" by Drs Ken Ham, Jonathan Sarfati, Carl Wieland, Werner Gitt, John Baumgardner, Russell Humphreys, Len Morris, David Catchpoole & others

On the way here, I read their chapters on Carbon/Radiometric Dating & How We Can See Distant Stars In A Young Universe - (pages 75 & 95)

Here's an amazing menu of online evidence for a young Earth & universe:-:-
http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/young.asp




Do hit their website - & the comprehensive 1 @ http://www.creationism.org

& a 2nd menu of articles there - http://www.creationism.org/articles/index.htm


& details of 21 books:- http://www.creationism.org/books/index.htm


& the ID one @ http://www.discovery.org/csc

& more books here:-
http://www.discovery.org/csc/essentialReadings.php


Here's their "Top Questions" link:-
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestions.php


i]This 1 may be especially helpful:-[/i]
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestio ... nEvolution

& this 1:-
http://www.discovery.org/csc/topQuestio ... gentDesign

If U like a good laugh or 2, try FAQ:-

http://www.creationism.org/topbar/faq.htm
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The usual "liars for God"; here's an example from your list:

"A different example is the new lava dome on Mount St. Helens. It is barely 20 years old, but radioactive dating (K-Ar) shows that it is 1 million years old! ...Something is very, very wrong here. "

There sure is. The creationist who did this, carefully selected dacite with unmelted xenocrysts, which being much older than the fresh lava, would give very ancient ages.

In spite of being warned of this and other concerns by the lab about his "specimen", he insisted that they test it anyway, and then expressed amazement that it came out with a very ancient age.

Any geologist could have told him this before he ever began the charade.
 
Anyone have "Designer Revolution" mag?

From New Life Publishing, Notts, UK in March - by public response to the Darwin Revisited UK lecture tour, last Oct/Nov, by Dr Andrew Snelling & Prof Phil Johnson - it documents thoroughly many proofs that rocks formed by recent volcanic eruptions were erroneously dated as several million years old by leading laboratories

I only have time now for a few highlights from The Revised & Expanded Answers Book, by Drs Don Batten, Jonathan Sarfati, Ken Ham, Carl Wieland,, Len Morris & others - see chapter 4, pages 75/95 for thorough expose of the inaccuracies of carbon-14 radio-active & other evo-loopy dating disasters

Actually, I don't have enough time to type enough details to be worthwhile right now, so do search http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc & http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org - who publish the above book & others, & the regular Creation mag

Basically, not only are there MANY dating methods, all producing different resuls - as tables on those sites will show - but laboratories even ask clients what date they want to be given - it's that unreliable

Also, there is much evidence for a young Earth - specifically disproving millions, let alone billions of years SOO vital to ToE

Must go!
 
Re: Anyone have "Designer Revolution" mag?

MrVersatile48 said:
From New Life Publishing, Notts, UK in March - by public response to the Darwin Revisited UK lecture tour, last Oct/Nov, by Dr Andrew Snelling & Prof Phil Johnson - it documents thoroughly many proofs that rocks formed by recent volcanic eruptions were erroneously dated as several million years old by leading laboratories

I only have time now for a few highlights from The Revised & Expanded Answers Book, by Drs Don Batten, Jonathan Sarfati, Ken Ham, Carl Wieland,, Len Morris & others - see chapter 4, pages 75/95 for thorough expose of the inaccuracies of carbon-14 radio-active & other evo-loopy dating disasters

Actually, I don't have enough time to type enough details to be worthwhile right now, so do search http://www.creationism.org & http://www.discovery.org/csc & http://www.AnswersInGenesis.org - who publish the above book & others, & the regular Creation mag

Basically, not only are there MANY dating methods, all producing different resuls - as tables on those sites will show - but laboratories even ask clients what date they want to be given - it's that unreliable

Also, there is much evidence for a young Earth - specifically disproving millions, let alone billions of years SOO vital to ToE

Must go!
Well if true they should have no problem proving their "new" found facts in any notworthy science publication. Don't offer the excuse they can't get published because they are Christians because as I have said many times before scientists are a competitive bunch and if they can debunk someone for fame and money they will do it. So if true they can offer the info to some legit scientist who will gladly present it for investigation and submission. The gauntlet has been thrown down and I will be waiting for the outcome.
 
"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of imagination."â€â€*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist].

"It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption."â€â€*Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236.

"The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still an article of faith."â€â€*J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95.

"Where are we when presented with the mystery of life? We find ourselves facing a granite wall which we have not even chipped . . We know virtually nothing of growth, nothing of life."â€â€*W. Kaempffert, "The Greatest Mystery of All: The Secret of Life," New York Times.

" `The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world.' "â€â€Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve].

"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."â€â€*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.

"I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial . . the success of Darwinism was accomplished by a decline in scientific integrity."â€â€*W.R. Thompson, Introduction to *Charles Darwin's, Origin of the Species [Canadian scientist].

"One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination which could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might truly be said that it was `knowledge falsely so called.' "â€â€*David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976).

"The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists."â€â€*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist].

"The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for any group being the descendant of almost any other."â€â€J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240.

"It was because Darwinian theory broke man's link with God and set him adrift in a cosmos without purpose or end that its impact was so fundamental. No other intellectual revolution in modern times . . so profoundly affected the way men viewed themselves and their place in the universe."â€â€*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 67 [Australian molecular biologist].

"I had motives for not wanting the world to have meaning, consequently assumed it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption . . The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics; he is also concerned to prove there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do . . For myself, as no doubt for most of my contemporaries, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation. The liberation we desired was simultaneously liberation from a certain political and economic system and liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom."â€â€*Aldous Huxley, "Confessions of a Professed Atheist," Report: Perspective on the News, Vol. 3, June 1966, p. 19 [grandson of evolutionist Thomas Huxley, Darwin's closest friend and promoter, and brother of evolutionist Julian Huxley. Aldous Huxley was one of the most influential liberal writers of the 20th century].

"Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grown-ups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science. It is useless."â€â€*Bounoure, Le Monde Et La Vie (October 1963) [Director of Research at the National center of Scientific Research in France].

"As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?"â€â€*Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 139.

" `Creation,' in the ordinary sense of the word, is perfectly conceivable. I find no difficulty in conceiving that, at some former period, this universe was not in existence; and that it made its appearance in six days . . in consequence of the volition of some pre-existing Being."â€â€*Thomas Huxley, quoted in *Leonard Huxley, Life and Letters of Thomas Henry Huxley, Vol. II (1903), p. 429.

"The theory of evolution suffers from grave defects, which are more and more apparent as time advances. It can no longer square with practical scientific knowledge."â€â€*Albert Fleishmann, Zoologist.

"I argue that the `theory of evolution' does not take predictions, so far as ecology is concerned, but is instead a logical formula which can be used only to classify empiricisms [theories] and to show the relationships which such a classification implies . . these theories are actually tautologies and, as such, cannot make empirically testable predictions. They are not scientific theories at all."â€â€*R.H. Peters, "Tautology in Evolution and Ecology," American Naturalist (1976), Vol. 110, No. 1, p. 1 [emphasis his].

"Scientists have no proof that life was not the result of an act of creation."â€â€*Robert Jastrow, The Enchanted Loom: Mind in the Universe (1981), p. 19.

"In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to `bend' their observations to fit in with it."â€â€*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.

"When Darwin presented a paper [with Alfred Wallace] to the Linnean Society in 1858, a Professor Haugton of Dublin remarked, `All that was new was false, and what was true was old.' This, we think, will be the final verdict on the matter, the epitaph on Darwinism."â€â€*Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space (1981), p. 159.

"Creation and evolution, between them, exhaust the possible explanations for the origin of living things. Organisms either appeared on the earth fully developed or they did not. If they did not, they must have developed from pre-existing species by some process of modification. If they did appear in a fully developed state, they must have been created by some omnipotent intelligence."â€â€*D.J. Futuyma, Science on Trial (1983), p. 197.

"With the failure of these many efforts, science was left in the somewhat embarrassing position of having to postulate theories of living origins which it could not demonstrate. After having chided the theologian for his reliance on myth and miracle, science found itself in the unenviable position of having to create a mythology of its own: namely, the assumption that what, after long effort, could not be proved to take place today had, in truth, taken place in the primeval past."â€â€*Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey, (1957), p. 199.

"The over-riding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved one hundred years ago and that all subsequent biological researchâ€â€paleontological, zoological, and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biologyâ€â€has provided ever-increasing evidence for Darwinian ideas."â€â€*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 327.

"The irony is devastating. The main purpose of Darwinism was to drive every last trace of an incredible God from biology. But the theory replaces God with an even more incredible deityâ€â€omnipotent chance."â€â€*T. Rosazak, Unfinished Animal (1975), pp. 101-102.

"Today our duty is to destroy the myth of evolution, considered as a simple, understood and explained phenomenon which keeps rapidly unfolding before us. Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses and extrapolations that the theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths. The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity of their beliefs."â€â€*Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms (1977), p. 8.

"The evolution theory can by no means be regarded as an innocuous natural philosophy, but that it is a serious obstruction to biological research. It obstructsâ€â€as has been repeatedly shownâ€â€the attainment of consistent results, even from uniform experimental material. For everything must ultimately be forced to fit this theory. An exact biology cannot, therefore, be built up."â€â€*H. Neilsson, Synthetische Artbuilding, 1954, p. 11.

"It is therefore of immediate concern to both biologists and layman that Darwinism is under attack. The theory of life that undermined nineteenth-century religion has virtually become a religion itself and, in its turn, is being threatened by fresh ideas. The attacks are certainly not limited to those of the creationists and religious fundamentalists who deny Darwinism for political and moral reason. The main thrust of the criticism comes from within science itself. The doubts about Darwinism represent a political revolt from within rather than a siege from without."â€â€*B. Leith, The Descent of Darwin: A Handbook of Doubts about Darwinism (1982), p. 11.

"My attempts to demonstrate evolution by an experiment carried on for more than 40 years have completely failed. At least I should hardly be accused of having started from any preconceived anti-evolutionary standpoint."â€â€*H. Nilsson, Synthetic Speciation (1953), p. 31.

"Just as pre-Darwinian biology was carried out by people whose faith was in the Creator and His plan, post-Darwinian biology is being carried out by people whose faith is in, almost, the deity of Darwin. They've seen their task as to elaborate his theory and to fill the gaps in it, to fill the trunk and twigs of the tree. But it seems to me that the theoretical framework has very little impact on the actual progress of the work in biological research. In a way some aspects of Darwinism and of neo-Darwinism seem to me to have held back the progress of science."â€â€Colin Patterson, The Listener [senior paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History, London].

"Throughout the past century there has always existed a significant minority of first-rate biologists who have never been able to bring themselves to accept the validity of Darwinian claims. In fact, the number of biologists who have expressed some degree of disillusionment is practically endless."â€â€*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1986), p. 327.

"I personally hold the evolutionary position, but yet lament the fact that the majority of our Ph.D. graduates are frightfully ignorant of many of the serious problems of the evolution theory. These problems will not be solved unless we bring them to the attention of students. Most students assume evolution is proved, the missing link is found, and all we have left is a few rough edges to smooth out. Actually, quite the contrary is true; and many recent discoveries . . have forced us to re-evaluate our basic assumptions."â€â€*Director of a large graduate program in biology, quoted in Creation: The Cutting Edge (1982), p. 26.

"The creation account in Genesis and the theory of evolution could not be reconciled. One must be right and the other wrong. The story of the fossils agreed with the account of Genesis. In the oldest rocks we did not find a series of fossils covering the gradual changes from the most primitive creatures to developed forms, but rather in the oldest rocks developed species suddenly appeared. Between every species there was a complete absence of intermediate fossils."â€â€*D.B. Gower, "Scientist Rejects Evolution," Kentish Times, England, December 11, 1975, p. 4 [biochemist].

"From the almost total absence of fossil evidence relative to the origin of the phyla, it follows that any explanation of the mechanism in the creative evolution of the fundamental structural plans is heavily burdened with hypothesis. This should appear as an epigraph to every book on evolution. The lack of direct evidence leads to the formulation of pure conjecture as to the genesis of the phyla; we do not even have a basis to determine the extent to which these opinions are correct."â€â€*Pierre-Paul de Grasse, Evolution of Living Organisms (1977), p. 31.

"We still do not know the mechanics of evolution in spite of the over-confident claims in some quarters, nor are we likely to make further progress in this by the classical methods of paleontology or biology; and we shall certainly not advance matters by jumping up and down shrilling, `Darwin is god and I, So-and-so, am his prophet.' "â€â€*Errol White, Proceedings of the Linnean Society, London, 177:8 (1966).

"I feel that the effect of hypotheses of common ancestry in systematics has not been merely boring, not just a lack of knowledge; I think it has been positively anti-knowledge . . Well, what about evolution? It certainly has the function of knowledge, but does it convey any? Well, we are back to the question I have been putting to people, `Is there one thing you can tell me about?' The absence of answers seems to suggest that it is true, evolution does not convey any knowledge."â€â€*Colin Patterson, Director AMNH, Address at the American Museum of Natural History (November 5, 1981).

"What is it [evolution] based upon? Upon nothing whatever but faith, upon belief in the reality of the unseenâ€â€belief in the fssils that cannot be produced, belief in the embryological experiments that refuse to come off. It is faith unjustified by works."â€â€*Arthur N. Field.

Retrieved from http://www.pathlights.com/ce_encyclopedia/01-evol1.htm
 
When the facts gang up on them, out come the "quotes." I'm familiar with some of the older scams.

Let's see what we can do with these...

"The Darwinian theory of descent has not a single fact to confirm it in the realm of nature. It is not the result of scientific research, but purely the product of imagination."â€â€*Dr. Fleischman [Erlangen zoologist].

"It is almost invariably assumed that animals with bodies composed of a single cell represent the primitive animals from which all others derived. They are commonly supposed to have preceded all other animal types in their appearance. There is not the slightest basis for this assumption."â€â€*Austin Clark, The New Evolution (1930), pp. 235-236.

True enough. But it's not what they told you it was. Dr. Clark is telling you that modern protists are as evolved as other modern organisms, and they are not necessarily anything like the first organisms. But the guys who fed you that quote were betting you didn't know enough to realize that.

"The hypothesis that life has developed from inorganic matter is, at present, still an article of faith."â€â€*J.W.N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (1933), p. 95.

Of course, as you might know, this is not part of evolution, which would work just as well if God used magic instead of nature to produce life. Of course, for a Christian, His word in Genesis is sufficient to let us know that He used the latter.

"The theory of evolution is totally inadequate to explain the origin and manifestation of the inorganic world.' "â€â€Sir John Ambrose Fleming, F.R.S., quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 91 [discoverer of the thermionic valve].

Too bad Ambrose didn't know anything about biology. Then he would have known that evolution isn't about the origin of life.

"I think, however, that we must go further than this and admit that the only acceptable explanation is creation. I know that this is anathema to physicists, as indeed it is to me, but we must not reject a theory that we do not like if the experimental evidence supports it."â€â€*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138.

Do you ever wonder why the guys who don't like biology don't know anything about it?

"One of the determining forces of scientism was a fantastic accidental imagination which could explain every irregularity in the solar system without explanation, leap the gaps in the atomic series without evidence [a gap required by the Big Bang theory], postulate the discovery of fossils which have never been discovered, and prophesy the success of breeding experiments which have never succeeded. Of this kind of science it might truly be said that it was `knowledge falsely so called.' "â€â€*David C.C. Watson, The Great Brain Robbery (1976).

Even Answers in Genesis has included this excuse as one of their "Arguments we think creationists should not use." If anyone can't figure out why it's so silly, I'd be pleased to explain.

"The hold of the evolutionary paradigm [theoretical system] is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious twentieth century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists."â€â€*Michael Denton, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis (1985), p. 306 [Australian molecular biologist].

Denton has done a little thinking on that subject....

""it is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science - that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended ultimately in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes. This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called "special creationist school". According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving the suspension of natural law. Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world - that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies."
Michael Denton "Nature's Destiny" (page xvii-xviii).

"The particular truth is simply that we have no reliable evidence as to the evolutionary sequence . . One can find qualified professional arguments for any group being the descendant of almost any other."â€â€J. Bonner, "Book Review," American Scientist, 49:1961, p. 240.

This is a particularly dishonest alteration. Bonner was talking about one specific set of organisms, for which there remained at that time, some disagreement about phylogeny. This is why decent people sometimes conclude that all creationists are dishonest.

(argument that because Aldous Huxley wanted life to have no meaning, evolution must be false)

See above. Do you honestly think that's an arguement?

"As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion [of halfway species] instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?"â€â€*Charles Darwin, quoted in H. Enoch, Evolution or Creation (1966), p. 139.

This is another example of the sorts of dishonesties creationists use. Enoch carefully removed the rest of the statement that explained why this is not a reasonable objection. What's even worse, is that by 1966, innumerable transitional species had been unearthed, with many more being discovered regularly.

"I argue that the `theory of evolution' does not take predictions, so far as ecology is concerned, but is instead a logical formula which can be used only to classify empiricisms [theories] and to show the relationships which such a classification implies . . these theories are actually tautologies and, as such, cannot make empirically testable predictions. They are not scientific theories at all."â€â€*R.H. Peters, "Tautology in Evolution and Ecology," American Naturalist (1976), Vol. 110, No. 1, p. 1 [emphasis his].

Karl Popper, whose "falsibility theory" is cited here, finally concluded that evolution was falsible and made testable predictions.

"When Darwin presented a paper [with Alfred Wallace] to the Linnean Society in 1858, a Professor Haugton of Dublin remarked, `All that was new was false, and what was true was old.' This, we think, will be the final verdict on the matter, the epitaph on Darwinism."â€â€*Fred Hoyle and N. Chandra Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space (1981), p. 159.

Yeah, you hardly ever hear about evolution, anymore. From time to time, various cults announce "the death of Darwinism", but so far, the cults disappear, but Darwin goes on.

"Creation and evolution, between them, exhaust the possible explanations for the origin of living things. Organisms either appeared on the earth fully developed or they did not. If they did not, they must have developed from pre-existing species by some process of modification. If they did appear in a fully developed state, they must have been created by some omnipotent intelligence."â€â€*D.J. Futuyma, Science on Trial (1983), p. 197.

Since we have now directly observed speciation, that is settled.

Does this give you any idea why quote mining tends to backfire on creationsts?
 
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