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Does God Exist?

Does God Exist?

  • Yes. I believe that God exists.

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  • Maybe. I think that God could exist, but I just don't know.

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  • No. I do not believe God exists.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    9
And you saying so is going to make it so?

I can call it a disco ball but that won't change what it is either, or what it is not
 
I'm amazed by the conceit, arrogance, and presumption of Jeffreyw. Jeffreyw, how is it that you know so much more about witches than a witch? Your ignorance and fear are showing...
 
It appears that you abraxas have received the same sarcastic response you have shown Jeff in a previous post.

<sarcasm>Sure it is...</sarcasm>

You decide to disagree sarcasticly with his biblical refrence, as he decides to disagree (possibly sarcastic, I do not know his intentions) with Havoc info on witchcraft.

how is it that you know so much more about witches than a witch?

That statement is bogus. Would the same question be "Who knows more about the bible than a Christian?" Ask Havoc if he knows more about the bible than I do. I bet he does in some aspects.
Your generalizations and misconceptions are not warranted.
 
Actually, the sarcasm remark was not in reference to the scripture quoted, but rather to Jeffreyw's repeated statements that:

Jeffreyw said:
"spiritually" speaking Atheism is still a religion.
abraXas said:
<sarcasm>Sure it is...</sarcasm>
My appologies if that was not clear. I didn't quote the relevant section as I thought it was obvious...

By insisting that atheism is a religion, even after being presented with dictionary definitions and easy-to-understand explainations of his fallacy, he still insists on making the statement again. He clearly does not understand what he is talking about, and prefers to make rediculous statementments. To his credit, being that he is from another nation, perhaps he does not have the grasp of the English language that others here possess and thus has to struggle with these kinds of things.

Whatever the case, Jeffreyw is clearly misinformed about what atheism is and is not.

Mike01075 said:
abraXas said:
how is it that you know so much more about witches than a witch?
That statement is bogus. Would the same question be "Who knows more about the bible than a Christian?" Ask Havoc if he knows more about the bible than I do. I bet he does in some aspects.
Your generalizations and misconceptions are not warranted.
You're right the statement doesn't work well...

However, based on Jeffreyw's misconceptions about other things and Havoc's clear and lucid statements about witchcraft I still contend that Jeffreyw has no idea what he is talking about and is guilty of the fallacy of hasty generalization.

Fallacy of Hasty Generalization
An error of reasoning whereby a general statement is asserted with limited information, inadequate evidence, or unrepresentative sampling.
Havoc clearly understands what witchcraft is and is not. Jeffreyw has demonstrated ignorance of both atheism and witchcraft.
 
Hey Havoc, could Jeff be seeing a form of Vodoo?

I do not have the background in Wicca or Vodoo to make any assumtions.
 
I have already stated in my previous posts that I have accepted and have agreed about your mainstream definition of Atheism.
 
Vodoun is a combination of Catholicism and various African indiginous religions. In many cases where the primary missionary work was done by Catholics you often end up with a mixture of Catholicism and whatever the local religion was. Although I don't think Vodoun is probably the correct word for what Jeff is describing, I suspect it is a result of the same sort of process.
 
Havoc, do you have any links to further information on the process you describe? The idea of religions being mixed is rather curious, I'd like to read more.
 
abraXas said:
Does God Exist? Please tell us a bit about why you think so.

God showed himself to me when i was young. God is my father and i wouldnt be that much of a son if i doubted i had a father. God healed my mother from diabeties, he healed my brother from being miscaridged but more then that hes my best friend. A walk with jesus is like tying a knott in a string the longer i walk the more nots i putt in the string and the harder that string is to break
 
Only a fool would deny God exists.

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God....
 
book

bibleberean said:
Only a fool would deny God exists.

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God....
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LOL , what else do you thing the bible would say?The bible is not textbook. Anyway it looks like the poll it pretty accurate as it is estimated nationwide that atheism goes from 11% upwards to 18% of the total population.
 
Re: book

reznwerks said:
bibleberean said:
Only a fool would deny God exists.

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God....
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LOL , what else do you thing the bible would say?The bible is not textbook. Anyway it looks like the poll it pretty accurate as it is estimated nationwide that atheism goes from 11% upwards to 18% of the total population.

The bible is the word of God. It does not matter nor is it necessary for you to believe that. You will believe. I only pray that it will be before you die.

Carl Sagan is a staunch believer now.

Are there that many fools in America?

I knew we were going down hill fast but... :o
 
Re: book

reznwerks said:
bibleberean said:
Only a fool would deny God exists.

Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God....
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LOL , what else do you thing the bible would say?The bible is not textbook. Anyway it looks like the poll it pretty accurate as it is estimated nationwide that atheism goes from 11% upwards to 18% of the total population.

Only if you make up the numbers. The christians as far as I know say it is much smaller, say 5%. The fact is most likely in the middle.
 
72% say that god exists but how many of those actually follw him? The fool hath said in his heart there is no God. and again God is the beggining of all knowledge.

During scripture in school we did a servey 78% of students in our grade was unsure. and australia wide 98 % of australians are bible illitrate now isnt that scary.
 
Going back to the original question asked by abraXas, I do, Indeed believe in the One True God. I have felt his power dwelling in me for quite some time, and have seen his works in others lives as well. I agree that only a foolish [not intended to be rude] person could deny the existence of God. The choice, however, is still yours.
 
I believe that God exists; he has shown himself to me in many different ways throughout my life. I love and worship Jesus Christ; I do not love and worship Christianity. Christianity has not always been about Christ…examples:

Crusades
Spanish Inquisition
Salem Witch Trials
White America churches and their racism toward black America
(I am sure there are others but that is all I could think of at this point)

Another way to explain my love for the lord and not love for Religion I will post a reply to an e-mail from my bother-in-law (my sister’s husband)--

(My brother-in-law was responding to my question: Is there a difference between the Christian Religion and Christian faith? –keep in mind he bolded part of it, not me)

My brother-in-law wrote:

To me:

“Religion†has become the man-made idea of how a person should interact with God. An overly structured, rule-based, entity that can make many people feel too inadequate to even approach it, and make many Christians feel like failures because they can’t get it right.

“True Christianity†or “Christian Faith†is the example that Jesus set for us with His life. It is an intimate, LOVE-relationship with Him. A daily walk filled with conversation, praise, questions, comfortable silences, expressions of emotion, and most of all....time spent together.



  • The only way two people can build a relationship is by getting to know one another, and that is what Christ wants from us. Out of this LOVE-relationship, should come a desire in us to live every moment of our lives for Him, and follow the rules that He set up for us. The very rules and conduct of living that those, blinded by religion, so adamantly require. God ordained the organization of the “Church†so that we could have structured leadership and process in worship when we meet together as a group, and he instructs us to do so, often. BUT, all of the elements of Church, and the often elevated “Religion†come second to our own personal relationship with Jesus Christ. All the rest will naturally flow out of that.
 
God's Child said:
I don't have religion. I have a relationship with God. There's a difference.

Havoc said:
We've been through that on this board before I believe. Christianity is a religion and a personal relationship. AS is Islam, Shinto, Wicca, Hindu, etc etc.

The definition of religion includes a personal relationship with a diety. A personal relationship with the Divine is not the sole purvue of Christianity. Those types of slogans are catchy sounding but they are rarely accurate.

Gary: Actually, YOUR response in inaccurate. There is NO such concept of a "personal" relationship with the god of Islam in a Muslim's life. Neither does Allah want that kind of relationship. Submit!... is how it works in Islam. There is no love relationship at all.

It is only in Christianity that God has revealed Himself as a Father. It is only in Christianity that God can be called "Abba".
 
Gary_Bee said:
Actually, YOUR response in inaccurate. There is NO such concept of a "personal" relationship with the god of Islam in a Muslim's life. Neither does Allah want that kind of relationship. Submit!... is how it works in Islam. There is no love relationship at all.
What do you mean by a personal relationship? It sounds like you are saying that Muslims have the personal relationship with Allah as king/servant. It is different from Christianity, but it is still a personal relationship.

Quath
 
Maybe we should define a personal relationship :D I think we can say a personal relation ship is a strong friend ship. Its easy to belive in a best friend
 
Personally I'm an unbeliever for several reasons some of which have already been touched on, but there are three main reasons that I see:

1 - Confused religions - If there is a correct answer no one knows what it is. Muslims argue, christians argue, Jews argue, there is no religion which is in complete agreement on almost any subject. There are numerous holy books each with their own supporters, and then numerous versions of each holy book each claimed to be more right than the others. There is no sign of divine guidance or of any kind of comprehension.

2 - Lack of physical evidence - There are no signs that point to God, no talking animals, no people able to call upon God to prove himself, no sign of the ark of the covenant or Noahs ark. Its the same for all religions, massive claims made but never a solid piece of evidence to say this proves our claims. I was always lead to believe God wanted a relationship with everyone, and if that was the case he could quite readily do so (speak to everyone at once, booming voice from the sky, burning letters printed in the clouds, there could be no doubt if He wanted to prove himself).
People often claim non-physical evidence such as miracles in their lives, the problem with that is that every religion has people making those claims. Plus having a supernatural event doesn't prove a certain supernatural being, if fire rains from the sky whose to say its Zeus, Allah, Jesus or Kali. Unless the being actually turns up then its at best guess work.
Personal feelings of happiness, feeling of contact, feeling of love? All claimed by every religion.

3 - Ancient stories and miracles - I find it hard to believe ancient stories that claim things that break all the natural laws (talking animals, people living to 900, global flood, healing by touch etc). All religions have supernatural claims, and each religion scoffs at the others claims while believeing their own. The maori have a story of their god Mawi, who went fishing and caught a huge fish, beached it and let it dry and its body formed New Zealand. Obviously a unbelieveable story because its physically impossible, but then so is a story of a old man spending 120 years to build a boat big enough to take all the animals of the world, keep them safe and healthy for a year, then repopulate the world.
Its just very easy to see all such claims as the same kind of mythical stories. If they are just myths, then really no supernatural events happened and therefore no supernatural beings are required. Hence I end up leaning towards this conclusion.
 
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