Does it hurt to die?

[Pizzaguy]

Does it hurt to die? I do NOT want to talk about heaven, hell, etc. That is for another forum. I refer to the moment(s) of death in general, while the person is still alive. I put this in a general forum so it can be a largely clinical discussion, apart from spiritual matters.
I can't remember what board I was on, maybe it was a discussion of a video on YouTube... but someone mentioned being in a terrible, violent, accident and went on about how they remembered none of it and almost died. This guy was in a coma for a week, etc. Based on this, he reasoned that death did not hurt.

I don't buy this one. I mean, I actually DO think that, in some ways, the "worst ways to die" might just be the most painless ways: hitting a tree at 120 mph on a motorcycle, being blown up in a suicide bomb (for the perp as well as victims close by)... etc.

But I don't see how that means that ALL deaths are without pain, or without conscious feeling that you are dying.

Now,there have been what seemed like painfree deaths close to me:
My mom died in my arms, she collapsed due to what the doctor thinks was a blood clot moving into her brain and taking her consciousness away. Her heart stopped and breathing ceased immediately. I believe it to have been painless (ironic, considering how she suffered with angina and other problems for years).

As what of cancer? We know it's terrible to LIVE with it, but what about DYING with it:
My friend's wife died of cancer, she suffered in TERRIBLE pain for about a year - she'd refused treatment. Tom said she layed in bed those last hours and seemed to become calm, her daughter was with her and said, "Mom slipped away very quietly, like in a movie". Could CANCER be a painfree death (I mean at the last moments....)

I put this in an open forum, I want all to be able to contribute.

 

[Adullam]

The greater the trauma the longer it takes to feel the pain...so someone who dies instantly doesn't feel a thing. Pain is for those who survive.

 

[handy]

It depends wholly on the manner of death.

One of the worst was one that a friend of mine witness and was traumatized by...rough, Vietnam vet that he was...a co-worker fell into a vat of tar that was being used to tar roads. The man died an agonizing death, fully conscious until the very end, and there really wasn't anything anyone could do about it. A neighbor of ours when I was a little kid went through a hay-baler. These could hardly be "pain free".

My brother-in-law died of AIDS...lots of pain during the illness, but Steve said his actual passing was peaceful. I would say Dad's death was like this as well.

I do believe that once one has passed, or if one comes back...it's truth that the pain isn't remembered.

 

[WIP]

I suspect it depends a lot on how one dies. When my stepdad passed he was sitting in a chair watching television at a Chevy dealer while waiting for his truck to be serviced. It wasn't until someone noticed that he was not breathing but otherwise, he looked as if he had fallen asleep. It was determined that he died from a heart attack.

I also suspect that a heart attack can be quite painful.

My mother died from bone cancer. Her pain was so intense they had her drugged up on morphine.

 

[modernnihilst]

When I died(I got better though) it was quick and painless. However comming back I felt all the pain I missed from being blown up. I would hazard a guess in the event of a sudden death that the human body protects(if possiable) the mind by causing a black out.

 

[phantom309]

One can take a cursory look at the warning or onset symptoms of various conditions and quickly conclude there is indeed a level of pain involved.To what degree that pain reaches I think depends on method/condition,personal pain threshold,specific/unique situation and other things.There are so many variables that it would difficult to quantify.

Fire I think has to be one of if not the worst.Not only is there rapid tissue damage,but smoke inhalation produces that hot,choking effect..which can/will be accompanied by airway burns and swelling,etc.Just a nasty way to go.Looking at things like this,I can only draw the conclusion that one does feel pain,sometimes quite a bit,until that moment which we just let go.

Now of course there also are occurrences in which one may not.Head injury which renders one incoherent,drug/alcohol influence or other massive trauma which may occur and knock the life right out of you before theres even time to register what is going on.For example,a 100+ft fall would most likely kill on impact..if the person felt anything I can only guess it wouldnt be very long.

 

[zsjuz]

I believe that all beings are reborn through their children and then their childrens children for all time. Until all souls reach infinity. And beyond. I believe in heaven.


A thought for you

 

[Elijah674]

Does it hurt to die? I do NOT want to talk about heaven, hell, etc. That is for another forum. I refer to the moment(s) of death in general, while the person is still alive. I put this in a general forum so it can be a largely clinical discussion, apart from spiritual matters.
I can't remember what board I was on, maybe it was a discussion of a video on YouTube... but someone mentioned being in a terrible, violent, accident and went on about how they remembered none of it and almost died. This guy was in a coma for a week, etc. Based on this, he reasoned that death did not hurt.

I don't buy this one. I mean, I actually DO think that, in some ways, the "worst ways to die" might just be the most painless ways: hitting a tree at 120 mph on a motorcycle, being blown up in a suicide bomb (for the perp as well as victims close by)... etc.

But I don't see how that means that ALL deaths are without pain, or without conscious feeling that you are dying.

Now,there have been what seemed like painfree deaths close to me:
My mom died in my arms, she collapsed due to what the doctor thinks was a blood clot moving into her brain and taking her consciousness away. Her heart stopped and breathing ceased immediately. I believe it to have been painless (ironic, considering how she suffered with angina and other problems for years).

As what of cancer? We know it's terrible to LIVE with it, but what about DYING with it:
My friend's wife died of cancer, she suffered in TERRIBLE pain for about a year - she'd refused treatment. Tom said she layed in bed those last hours and seemed to become calm, her daughter was with her and said, "Mom slipped away very quietly, like in a movie". Could CANCER be a painfree death (I mean at the last moments....)

I put this in an open forum, I want all to be able to contribute.

Here is my take on this.

Heb. 12:4-8 has the Christian Partaker of Christ with being chastened. All of us & in different ways.

1 Cor. 10:13
[13] There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

Phil. 4:13 is another along with 2 Cor. 12:9.

OK: These verses are claimed by FAITH. Our 'faith' must MATURE from just Rom. 8:1's baby statr of NO Condemnation.

I find Acts 7 with Stephen being stoned to death. Did he feel anything much?? 'i' do not think so because of verse 55's finding him FILLED FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST.
[53] Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
[54] When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
[55] But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
[56] And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.
[57] Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,
[58] And cast him out of the city, and stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

(just a side note for you, what was this 'young man' in verse 58 to become?)

But many at death's end, are just very peaceful.

--Elijah

 

[Former Christian]

Pizzaguy

I would think that getting to death would be the chief concern you're talking about. My mom still lives at the age of 89. For the last six years she's been bed ridden, nearly deaf, and her mind isn't so good. She never recognizes anyone. And will sometimes ask about the strangers in the house. Not only we who have known her for years, but the caregivers who she doesn't recognize from one time to the next. In the last year she has gone down to 98lbs from about 160. She was a robust woman in her day at about 5'10''. My dad lived for 93 years with the help of a several upple bypass and a pacemaker. His mind was as active as ever, but his body didn't really fare so well, though he could still hear and see pretty good. His body went from over 6' to 5'6''. In his last couple of years he learned how to use a computer. With the aid of books and a rare question to those around him. In the end he knew more about computers than I do now. One afternoon he went to sleep and didn't wake up. He didn't get the chance to tell me whether the moment of death was painful or not. If anyone has talked to someone who has died, really died and stayed dead (physically), they should ask and get back to us and tell us how it felt at the moment of death.

FC

 

[AirDancer]

PizzaGuy: it's my thoughts that each person has a different experience.

Several years ago, my delightful Great Aunt (in her early 90s) was dying of cancer. The day prior to her death, she refused all pain medication, saying she felt no pain. Besides, she said, her husband, parents, brother and long-ago friends were there visiting with her. The nurse told us later there was no one in the room with my G.Aunt, and that her last words were 'They've come to take me home.'

She died early the next morning, a big smile on her face, looking at peace and almost 20 years younger.

Pain free for 24 hours prior to dying.

 

[God's_gift]

my older sister died almost 7 years ago when she's 18 and i was 17, she has SLE or butterfly lupus , and i saw her all through those pain she's been going...and i can say yeah maybe dying is painful...but as a christian i also believe that the hope of meeting the Lord after this life here on earth is something greater than those pain so i won't be afraid to face death anymore.

 

[reba]

I watched my Daddy die.... A bunch of us were in his room .... He loved the old hymns so we had a tape playing ... Blessed assurance was his favorite... We watched this man who was active take about 5 years to die... He is laying there he doesn't really know we are there.... His blue eyes are cloudy and blank..Cheeks hollow scruffy beard.... frail o so frail then we noticed a change He was lifting his head, shoulders and chest up there was new life in the now clear blue eyes He knew his was headed home... there was no mistake he sat up to meet Jesus...and was gone from us... No pain in his death not for him..