Does Praying to/through Mary Get more Results?

[Lewis]

francis is just trying to rattle your cage, Lewis. These guys think they have the corner market all all matters of religion from who and how the bible is intrepreted to man made doctrines fostered by the great imposters. Jesus called this kind "fools and blind" for they are certainly the blind leading the blind. Arrogance runs rampant in their files, Lewis...omniscience is a gift to them all, they suppose. Anyone who worships toes and skulls ain't got a lot going for them, from my perspective. I always like to answer a fool according to his folly. There's lots of things not in the bible...Mary's immaculate conception, her assumption, rosary beads, brown scapulars, and what was it Mary was suppose to have said at a Marian sighting..."we DEMAND a crucifix...". Give me a break! I'm sure Mary would have could have said that. More tricks of the devil. Consider the source I say.

And this rant somehow answers the LEGITIMATE QUESTION of...

"How do you know what books are the Word of God, from Scripture itself?"

I am unaware of any passage that lists the books that ARE Scripture. Can you point this Catholic to that particular verse, please???

Once you tell me that passage, I'll be satisfied and will thank you for correcting me. Until then, though, you may address the question and stop the name-calling, as it goes against the very book you claim is from God!

[be] ready always to [give] an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15

Regards

I will not waste my time. Have a good day.

 

[francisdesales]

I will not waste my time. Have a good day.

Very well. I will take it you cannot answer for my question - as you have not exhibited such shyness on other issues...

Have a good weekend

 

[ttg]

The original question posed by Brad was "Does praying to/through Mary get more results?"

I was the first to answer in a positive light when I said I prayed to Mary asking her to intercede when I was in need of a new job. But I never said the new job came from Virgin Mary. She asked her Son for me. I can only pray so much. Who knows how much the power of pray carries when it comes from our Blessed Mother.

I believe the gift of a new job came from Jesus, because that is whom I was asking all along.

Do you have Biblical proof' that Mary can ask her son to grant you anything ? I'll tell you a secret there is none.

That question has already been answered. You just don't like the answser.

 

[D46]

I am unaware of any passage that lists the books that ARE Scripture. Can you point this Catholic to that particular verse, please???

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Would you agree that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were inspired of God? Would you agree that Paul, who wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament, was inspired of God? So was Jude and Peter. God promised to preserve his words and he did so through these men of God. Do you not think he knows what his words to us are and to what books he wants in the canon? He gave man enough knowledge and understanding to know that there were wolves among sheep then as now who would attempt to pervert the word of God and he disallowed just any books to be included in the bible. Many "books" were written that were not "inspired of God" and some don't even mention God in them.We have all that God intended for us to have or he is not the omnipotent and omniscience God we think he is as man would therefore control what went into the canon rather than God himself. Would God allow his word to be perverted and trashed by men in order for them to insert books that were not inspired? I think not. All the books that are of a religious nature are not inspired. If that werre true, then I would expect to see Dante's Divine Comedy to be included as well.

 

[Lewis]

I will not waste my time. Have a good day.

Very well. I will take it you cannot answer for my question - as you have not exhibited such shyness on other issues...

Have a good weekend

I gave you my answer, if you don't like or are not satisfied with my answer' there is nothing that I can do about it. I said the Holy Ghost, now if that is not good enough for you' oh well.

 

[thessalonian]

[quote:e6979]I am unaware of any passage that lists the books that ARE Scripture. Can you point this Catholic to that particular verse, please???

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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Surely you don't think you have answered my question.. The devil quoted scripture. Your about as good as he is. It does not answer the question and neither does the resto of your post. Any fool could see that. The table of contents, protestant and Catholic is not scripture and it is what tells 90% of mankind what is scripture. I know of few that have done any kind of analysis on the scriptures and come to their own conclusions, with no sources to cloud their thinking. Those I have are like George who wants to remove Paul.

Sorry for the nature of this thread but common!

 

[francisdesales]

I am unaware of any passage that lists the books that ARE Scripture. Can you point this Catholic to that particular verse, please???

2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

That tells me that Scripture is God breathed, but it doesn't tell me how to identify Scripture! It doesn't tell me that Philemon is Scriptures! The individual books of the Bible separately don't identify themselves as God-breathed with only a few exceptions.

Would you agree that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were inspired of God?
Would you agree that Paul, who wrote 2/3rds of the New Testament, was inspired of God? So was Jude and Peter.

Of course, based on the authority of the Church's witness, I believe that these books are inspired by God. They do NOT testify to themselves, nor CAN they!

Let's be honest. You are presuming that the Bible is the Word of God, but this is based on what SOMEONE ELSE has told you! In the end, we rely on the witness of someone else to tell us that the Bible IS God's Word. Now, if the person who tells you the Bible is God's Word is fallible, then you CANNOT KNOW if that person might be wrong! Men make mistakes.

Only through an infallible witness can we know that the Bible is complete and completely encompasses Scriptural writings. None are left out, and all that ARE listed belong. This can only come from an authority guided by God. And God GAVE the Holy Spirit to the CHURCH, the pillar and foundation of the truth - as THIS WITNESS. Now, mankind can KNOW what is Sacred Scriptures.

Any other argument fails. Frankly, the Spirit doesn't talk to individuals about such things...witness the many different denominations making identical claims to the Spirit and yet, they differ. How can the Spirit of Truth give different messages on the same subject??? The Spirit is given to the Community, the Church to guide all generations to God's infallible Revelation. That's the bottom line. There is NO SCRIPTURE that tells us what belongs in the compilation of the Scriptures. Thus, using the Scripture alone for your theology is more properly called:


Sola Ego...

Many "books" were written that were not "inspired of God" and some don't even mention God in them.

Like the Book of Esther? Your version of Esther doesn't even mention God, but there it is, in the Bible. How did Luther let that one get by? And who even MADE Luther in charge of determining what IS Scriptures? Can't a Protestant later "receive guidance from the Spirit" and claim that the Gospel of Judas is Scriptures??? See where this "the Spirit tells me" leads us?

We have all that God intended for us to have or he is not the omnipotent and omniscience God we think he is as man would therefore control what went into the canon rather than God himself. Would God allow his word to be perverted and trashed by men in order for them to insert books that were not inspired? I think not.

Of course, that is why He gave us an infallible Church. Have you not read Matthew 16? What is bound on earth is bound in heaven. It is impossible that God would bind error on earth - since their is a linkage to what is bound on earth and heaven. Thus, God GUARDS His Truth. Infallibly. Not because of men, but because of God Himself promised that what was bound in heaven and earth would be the same. There is no error in heaven, thus, we have no error when the Church makes infallible statements, such as on the Canon of Scriptures.

Regards

 

[francisdesales]

I gave you my answer, if you don't like or are not satisfied with my answer' there is nothing that I can do about it. I said the Holy Ghost, now if that is not good enough for you' oh well.

So if the Holy Spirit told me you were wrong, then what?

When if the Scriptures tell us that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of the Truth, not the "spirit" speaking through Lewis W (which differs from the 20,000 other "spirit-filled" recipients of various Protestant communities).


Regards

 

[Lewis]

I gave you my answer, if you don't like or are not satisfied with my answer' there is nothing that I can do about it. I said the Holy Ghost, now if that is not good enough for you' oh well.

So if the Holy Spirit told me you were wrong, then what?

When if the Scriptures tell us that the CHURCH is the pillar and foundation of the Truth, not the "spirit" speaking through Lewis W (which differs from the 20,000 other "spirit-filled" recipients of various Protestant communities).


Regards

Man what is wrong with you ? If the Holy Ghost tells you that I am wrong' then that is not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost inspired the writing and placement of what we have in the Bible. So man why don't you give it a rest. If you don't go for my answer move on.

 

[francisdesales]

Man what is wrong with you ? If the Holy Ghost tells you that I am wrong' then that is not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost inspired the writing and placement of what we have in the Bible. So man why don't you give it a rest. If you don't go for my answer move on.

:P :P :P

Oh, you are a riot!

I see you believe in the Sola Ego gospel...

Why don't you just come out and say you ARE the Holy Spirit. You are only one step removed from that.

I must admit in the 4 years of doing this, I have never encountered someone like yourself. Kind of like my third grade teacher...

"I'm right because I said so"...

Take care

 

[D46]

Surely you don't think you have answered my question.. The devil quoted scripture. Your about as good as he is.

Even the devil quoted the scriptures and he didn't twist and pervert them as the Roman Cat's did. You surmise you are omnipotent-I can tell. You know nothing at all, thess. You're just another idolator bound for hell...period! :-? I trust what is in the bible as my guidline. Your Alexandrian version of the bible leaves out much but then again, that's to be expected as you don't have enough discernment to know or diligently seek the truth. Satan has blinded your eyes to the truth and unless you come to the realization that you are NOT all knowing and don't have the corner market on religion you'll continue in your know -it- all arrogance as always. You are to be pitied.

 

[Lewis]

Man what is wrong with you ? If the Holy Ghost tells you that I am wrong' then that is not the Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost inspired the writing and placement of what we have in the Bible. So man why don't you give it a rest. If you don't go for my answer move on.

:P :P :P

Oh, you are a riot!

I see you believe in the Sola Ego gospel...

Why don't you just come out and say you ARE the Holy Spirit. You are only one step removed from that.

I must admit in the 4 years of doing this, I have never encountered someone like yourself. Kind of like my third grade teacher...

"I'm right because I said so"...

Take care

I would never think that I am the Holy Ghost, that is one the most stupid things another human' has ever said to me. And I refuse to even deal with such lunacy at this time. Because you sound like a fool. The way that you talk' you know nothing. Now I have tried to be nice to you, now I am telling you to back up off of me, and I have asked you to move on. You just keep coming back with more stuff' what is your problem, if you are going by some Catholic doctrine or something don't hit me with it because I don't hold to Catholic doctrine at all. So if you keep this harassment up action will be taken. Better yet I will just lock this topic.

 

[Atonement]

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