Does the Bible teach that all men are created equal?

[Sinthesis]

Creation of the beasts....
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. "And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

Creation of mankind.....
1:26-27 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepth upon the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Notice man was given dominion over all except....beast of the earth!

Formation of Adam......
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There we have the creation/formation of the beast, of mankind and of the family of Jesus....Israel.

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Are you saying you believe there are some people walking around on earth who are not part of mankind?

I'm surprised you didn't add..... .

I know what it looks like but....consider what the above scriptures are telling us and then consider....

Matthew 13:16-18 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

13:25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeard the tares also. (28) He said unto them, 'An enemy hath done this.' The servants said unto him, 'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?' But he said, 'Nay: lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, 'Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.' ' "

Jesus then explains to His disciples, not the multitude, the meaning of the parable. This is for our ears!

13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Jesus tells us that the enemy is the devil and that the tares are his children. So...he too is a tare, the father of the tares. We know that he is also the beast. Scripture doesn't tell us when the tares came into being...just that they did arrive, however, we are told when the beasts of the earth (earth being mankind) were created and...it was good. They have a purpose. As the tares looks just like the wheat...the beasts look just like mankind. We know them by their fruits and that is all we are asked to know for it is the angels that carry the sickle.

1 Corinthians 15:32 If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die.

15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

I'm trying to determine if your view is racist or perhaps just some form of mutant Calvinism. Is the difference between the beasts, the righteous, and the elect genetic, or just spiritual?

 

[whirlwind]

I'm trying to determine if your view is racist or perhaps just some form of mutant Calvinism. Is the difference between the beasts, the righteous, and the elect genetic, or just spiritual?

Sinthesis....you do have a way with words. No, I'm not a "mutant Calvinist," although I do believe in the elect...just not that only the elect go to God and the rest are thrown away. :o And no....I'm not a racist. Do I recognize the different races? Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm racist as I would assume everyone recognizes the different races. And....you would have to ask God if He was a mutant Calvinist or racist as it was He that wrote the Scriptures I quoted.

I see the difference as being genetic, not just spiritual. God was very particular about Gentiles not mixing with Israel as written in the Old Testament.

Notice that God "made the beast of the earth after his kind...." [Genesis 1:25] but that same restriction wasn't placed on mankind. All other entities were to be "after his kind" but not man. However, God did instruct Israel to marry within the tribes. Because of that....I see it as genetic.

 

[Ret]

"Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"

I conclude that the scripture plainly teaches that all are NOT created equal.

They are EQUAL in one way at least - CLAY...all are made of CLAY!

What makes them UN-EQUAL is PURPOSE, some for noble purposes...some for common use!

 

[Sinthesis]

I'm trying to determine if your view is racist or perhaps just some form of mutant Calvinism. Is the difference between the beasts, the righteous, and the elect genetic, or just spiritual?

Sinthesis....you do have a way with words. No, I'm not a "mutant Calvinist," although I do believe in the elect...just not that only the elect go to God and the rest are thrown away. :o And no....I'm not a racist. Do I recognize the different races? Yes, but that doesn't mean I'm racist as I would assume everyone recognizes the different races. And....you would have to ask God if He was a mutant Calvinist or racist as it was He that wrote the Scriptures I quoted.

I see the difference as being genetic, not just spiritual. God was very particular about Gentiles not mixing with Israel as written in the Old Testament.

Notice that God "made the beast of the earth after his kind...." [Genesis 1:25] but that same restriction wasn't placed on mankind. All other entities were to be "after his kind" but not man. However, God did instruct Israel to marry within the tribes. Because of that....I see it as genetic.

So then, are you saying that you believe the genetic children of Satan are walking the earth today?

God was very particular about Gentiles not mixing with Israel as written in the Old Testament.

Remember this thought the next time you interpret Daniel 2:33.

 

[mutzrein]

"Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?"

I conclude that the scripture plainly teaches that all are NOT created equal.

They are EQUAL in one way at least - CLAY...all are made of CLAY!

What makes them UN-EQUAL is PURPOSE, some for noble purposes...some for common use!

True, we are talking about the vessel created - NOT the lump of clay from which many vessels are formed.

 

[whirlwind]

So then, are you saying that you believe the genetic children of Satan are walking the earth today?

Yes.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Jesus was speaking to the Jews or....""them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are of the synagogue of Satan. [Revelation 2:9] How do we know they weren't the true Jews? By what they said a few verses earlier....

John 8:33 They answered Him, "We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest Thou, 'Ye shall be made free?' "

All of Israel, true Israel...the house of Judah and the house of Israel....were all in bondage in Egypt.

Jesus was speaking to the tares and He tells us they will walk the earth until the time of harvest.

God was very particular about Gentiles not mixing with Israel as written in the Old Testament.

Remember this thought the next time you interpret Daniel 2:33.

I don't have time to go into that this morning but I do want to thank you for adding the above to the equation. I never considered it and it opens many new understandings.

 

[Sinthesis]

So then, are you saying that you believe the genetic children of Satan are walking the earth today?

Yes.

Well the obvious question is; How did these 'genetic children of Satan' survive the Flood?

 

[whirlwind]

So then, are you saying that you believe the genetic children of Satan are walking the earth today?

Yes.

Well the obvious question is; How did these 'genetic children of Satan' survive the Flood?

Genesis 2:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

2:14-15 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind,and every fowl after his kind, every birds of every sort. And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

 

[whirlwind]

God was very particular about Gentiles not mixing with Israel as written in the Old Testament.

Remember this thought the next time you interpret Daniel 2:33.

I opened another thread to consider your thought. I didn't want to take this post off topic. The Beasts of the Field???

 

[NIGHTMARE]

So then, are you saying that you believe the genetic children of Satan are walking the earth today?

Yes.

Well the obvious question is; How did these 'genetic children of Satan' survive the Flood?

These genetic children in whick you speak are called "kenites" check out the strongs,,,

now the only question is can you find kenites,,,after Genesis 8........

Heres a clue 1 Chronicles 2:55
And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Long after the flood my friend,,,,and if you want to take it further you can track them all the way to the days of Christ and after,,,,,you didnt think the couple people yelling CRUCIFY HIM CRUCIFY HIM were jews now did you........

 

[ChevyRodeo]

We are all born a blank slate, Able to grow up to be Good, bad, Evil , brave, greedy.


We are all Equal in that sense, no one is BORN with a WAY of thinking. All humans are born equal in a sense of being blank but do not over look some individuals are born with better physical and mental genetics.

 

[Fembot]

Does the Bible teach that all men are created equal?

No.

It appears to me that God separates mankind in three categories....

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

The two houses (house of Israel and house of Judah) are all twelve tribes of Israel and they are separate from Gentiles, who are mankind, as well as from....the seed of beast. That doesn't mean "lions and tigers and bears, oh my!"

Another distinction is in the elect, the righteous and the wicked.

All men are created equal. We are all sinners! As Christians we are commanded to love our enemies. This is impossible to do if you dehumanize others by assigning them to categories such as elect, righteous, or wicked. Only God has the authority to judge.

Jeremiah 31:27 concerns God's promise to gather His people back into the promised land from their scattering by Assyria and captivity in Babylon. Consistent with an ancient pastoral society, 'seed of beast' refers to God restoring wealth and prosperity to His people.

 

[NIGHTMARE]

Does the Bible teach that all men are created equal?

Human flesh is created out of dust, at death the flesh returns to dust... yess... 'men' are all EQUAL!

Ok a opinion is a opionion,,,,what do you back this belief up with??????

 

[NIGHTMARE]

The Bible does teach that all men are created equal.
Genesis 1:27 says"God created man in his own image"----it doesn't say He created SOME men in His own image.

Well lets look at the word "man" the word as its used here is 'adam,,,,now this is not the "Adam" that was the husband of Eve ,,,this word 'adam simply means mankind.....

Now later you will see that God "formed" not "created" but formed eth-ha-adam ( Adam husband)

Mankind created,,,,,,Adam formed,,,,,,,,mankind created,,,,,,,Adam formed

 

[NIGHTMARE]

I don't understand what you mean by "the position of elect doesn't seem logical."

Sorry, that was not the best way of wording what I wanted to say.

What I meant was that since humans are created equal (in God's image) then the positions of the 'elect' in the church is kind of not right in one way, but in another way I can see why they do that.

Since I made that post eariler, I have considered my take on this (the elect) and am not quite convinced if it is 'right' or 'wrong', but I have come to the conclusion that all men are created equal.

Take the word formed and the word created and research them......

 

[Fembot]

The Bible does teach that all men are created equal.
Genesis 1:27 says"God created man in his own image"----it doesn't say He created SOME men in His own image.

Creation of the beasts....
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. "And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

Creation of mankind.....
1:26-27 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepth upon the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Notice man was given dominion over all except....beast of the earth!

Formation of Adam......
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There we have the creation/formation of the beast, of mankind and of the family of Jesus....Israel.

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Are you saying you believe there are some people walking around on earth who are not part of mankind?

Seems like it. But I'm not sure, since I didn't make the comment. I think the confusion is derived from mistaking the OP question for

are men all destined to do the same work

instead of

are men created equal?

Created to accomplish: What men accomplish and are set out to put in place which is directed by God.

Created biologically: Man was created from the beginning and descended until today as one being/the same/equal.

Now we can go on and on about the differences in men: intelligence, appearances, tastes, dislikes, goals, accomplishments. But this question, is concerning the equality of men as human beings. As Dave stated...


Dave, no quote in the Bible but this is where it derives from:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Declaration of Independence, 1776

 

[ChevyRodeo]

I would like to bring up the theory of demons making people to mock God's man. We know them as, cave men...


Genesis 6:4 (Original KJV):
There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that,
when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and
they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which
were of old, men of renown.

its a very interesting read that I dont take to serious but it fills in a lot of gaps.


http://www.mysteriousworld.com/Journal/ ... ng/Giants/


skip down to Giants in the time of Adam

 

[Fembot]

Thanks...

 

[whirlwind]

Creation of the beasts....
Genesis 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. "And he said unto the woman, "Yea, hath God said, 'Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"

Creation of mankind.....
1:26-27 And God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepth upon the earth." So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.

Notice man was given dominion over all except....beast of the earth!

Formation of Adam......
2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

There we have the creation/formation of the beast, of mankind and of the family of Jesus....Israel.

Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

Are you saying you believe there are some people walking around on earth who are not part of mankind?

Seems like it. But I'm not sure, since I didn't make the comment. I think the confusion is derived from mistaking the OP question for

are men all destined to do the same work

instead of

are men created equal?

Created to accomplish: What men accomplish and are set out to put in place which is directed by God.

Created biologically: Man was created from the beginning and descended until today as one being/the same/equal.

Now we can go on and on about the differences in men: intelligence, appearances, tastes, dislikes, goals, accomplishments. But this question, is concerning the equality of men as human beings. As Dave stated...


Dave, no quote in the Bible but this is where it derives from:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Declaration of Independence, 1776

There is no confusion. The question is if all men are created equal. According to His Word they are not. God separates us into three categories....


Jeremiah 31:27 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

In the beginning our Father created the beasts and then mankind (all races) and then He formed Adam. That, to me, isn't being created equally...it is separate.


1 Corinthians 15:38-39 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

15:42-43 So also is the resurection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


The three different types God created/formed are "sown in corruption" and then....upon repentance all three can be "raised in glory." Then....all three are equal.

 

[justvisiting]

My personal feeling is that all men are not created equal in many ways. Some are born into riches. Some are born into misery (birth defects) etc. How could I say something like we all have an equal chance at birth, if I was born in a safe country and didn't have to worry about my next meal. Health care paid for, no worry about some African neighbor trying to recruit me at the age of 8 to kill someone. No we aren't created equal in many ways.
However, I do believe every man has an equal chance to please God. Faith does not rely on outward circumstances... Corrie Tenboom in a nazi war camp or maybe someone that has it quite well like a Billy Graham.
Ruth was a moabitess in a country of jews. She would be considered somewhat of an underling... but her name is great in history. The mother of King David's lineage.
Things can change.