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darktipper

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Go with the flow? What does trust god really mean? If you trust God that he provide for you and you end up starving and die or get put out of your house do to foreclosure then what? If your wife or husband left you out of the blue for another person then how can you trust God on that?
 
Trusting God is exactly what it sounds like. What happens is we ascribe more to it. You can trust anything no matter what. You can trust your car if you want too. We are called to trust Him, but you might be mixing that up with having faith? Correct me if I am wrong.

Trusting Him should not depend on any circumstances around you. I know that it seems hard. But that's the simplicity of it. You "trust" a lot of things even though a lot of things are bad around you.

This is not to say that the things you mention are not real events that make us wonder sometimes. There are things that happen in life that make us ask questions. But is that a bad thing? Is it not simply a way that He can either see if we become more dependent on Him, or more to ourselves?

How many times in your life have you fell, stumbled, or slipped because of your legs? Do you trust them now? Yes, there are going to be times when we do not trust, as evident in our lack of actions. The paralyzed person probably does not trust that their legs will hold them anymore. But all that happens is that their trust has shifted to their arms.

You see, we have to trust in something. Acutually, we WILL trust in something. The question then becomes what? We know that "bad" things are a direct result from the working of Satan. So are we going to lay aside our trust in God because of him? If we contemplate exactly what takes place each and every day there is a LOT to show for having a trust in the Living God. Circumstances that happen are only there to bring us closer, but are able to draw us away is we chose. And really it all boils down to not "how can we trust Him", but "are we going to trust Him".
 
Nathan said:
Trusting God is exactly what it sounds like. What happens is we ascribe more to it. You can trust anything no matter what. You can trust your car if you want too. We are called to trust Him, but you might be mixing that up with having faith? Correct me if I am wrong.

Trusting Him should not depend on any circumstances around you. I know that it seems hard. But that's the simplicity of it. You "trust" a lot of things even though a lot of things are bad around you.

This is not to say that the things you mention are not real events that make us wonder sometimes. There are things that happen in life that make us ask questions. But is that a bad thing? Is it not simply a way that He can either see if we become more dependent on Him, or more to ourselves?

How many times in your life have you fell, stumbled, or slipped because of your legs? Do you trust them now? Yes, there are going to be times when we do not trust, as evident in our lack of actions. The paralyzed person probably does not trust that their legs will hold them anymore. But all that happens is that their trust has shifted to their arms.

You see, we have to trust in something. Acutually, we WILL trust in something. The question then becomes what? We know that "bad" things are a direct result from the working of Satan. So are we going to lay aside our trust in God because of him? If we contemplate exactly what takes place each and every day there is a LOT to show for having a trust in the Living God. Circumstances that happen are only there to bring us closer, but are able to draw us away is we chose. And really it all boils down to not "how can we trust Him", but "are we going to trust Him".
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Very well said Nathan. :)

I would like to add that 'trusting' God is knowing that he is in control. I am reminded of Romans 8:28 in the KJV <sup class="versenum" id="en-KJV-28145">28</sup>And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose....and also Jeremiah 29:11 NIV <sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-19647">11</sup> For I know the plans I have for you,†declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

hope this helps :)
 
I am convinced that trusting God means that the one who trusts is fully convicted that God will do all He said He would do. In our relationship to God, trust involves obedience. God says move or God's word indicates that we are to behave or not behave in a certain manner and so we obey His voice. That is how we display our trust.
Trusting God can mean that we trust that we will have a place to live, clothes to wear, and food to eat without having to get involved in the debt trap (getting loans). It can also mean that we can be confident in knowing that God will provide al our needs and us then making our family the priority over the time we spend on our careers. get the drift........
 
First 8 definitions as copied from Dictionary.com

TRUST[truhst] Show IPA<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

–noun

1. reliance on the integrity, strength, ability, surety, etc., of a person or thing; confidence.

2. confident expectation of something; hope.

3. confidence in the certainty of future payment for property or goods received; credit: to sell merchandise on trust.

4. a person on whom or thing on which one relies: God is my trust.

5. the condition of one to whom something has been entrusted.

6. the obligation or responsibility imposed on a person in whom confidence or authority is placed: a position of trust.

7. charge, custody, or care: to leave valuables in someone's trust.

8. something committed or entrusted to one's care for use or safekeeping, as an office, duty, or the like; responsibility; charge.


With that said, "Does NOT trusting God mean . . . "


Be blessed, Stay blessed!
 
TRUTH over TRADITION said:
I am convinced that trusting God means that the one who trusts is fully convicted that God will do all He said He would do. In our relationship to God, trust involves obedience. God says move or God's word indicates that we are to behave or not behave in a certain manner and so we obey His voice. That is how we display our trust.
Trusting God can mean that we trust that we will have a place to live, clothes to wear, and food to eat without having to get involved in the debt trap (getting loans). It can also mean that we can be confident in knowing that God will provide al our needs and us then making our family the priority over the time we spend on our careers. get the drift........
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No offense, but this sounds more like faith than trust. I think the line that divides them is that trust is simply a rock solid state of dependence. Faith is when belief meets trust, and the two are combined. I know it sounds like semantics, but I am a stickler for definitions. Lol
 
Nathan -

Good to see you again at the Cross-roads of our writings.

You said, "Faith is when belief meets trust, and the two are combined."

For the sake of dialog (and not stating whether I agree or not), I would assume then there is a difference between trust, belief, and faith?

I too am a stickler for articulated definitions (in hopes of better understanding what is being said). lol



Be blessed, Stay blessed!
 
Bonairos said:
Nathan -

Good to see you again at the Cross-roads of our writings.

You said, "Faith is when belief meets trust, and the two are combined."

For the sake of dialog (and not stating whether I agree or not), I would assume then there is a difference between trust, belief, and faith?

I too am a stickler for articulated definitions (in hopes of better understanding what is being said). lol



Be blessed, Stay blessed!
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Its nice to see a fellow dictionarian. (I made that word up...:lol)

Yes. I believe there is a marked difference between the words. I wish I had time tonight, but I trust that I will be able to go into it tomorrow. But by all means if someone else wants to jump in before I can respond definitively, please do.

ps: I like your style. Very nice.
 
Faith is based upon what God has said. If it does not include the words of God, it cannot be faith. It is marked by action. When you have faith, you do something with that faith.

Trust is based upon the character of God. Not necessarily what He has said, but what He can do. It is marked by dependence, or allegiance. When you trust, you are given over and given into what your trust is in, it becomes your 'source'.

Belief is based in hope. Belief knows it can be done, if He wants it to be done. It is marked by peace, or security. When you believe, you are emotionally connected and look completely upon what you believe in.

They are all tied together, mainly because in their purest form they all are found originating from one place. God. Its not a picture of the Trinity, but if I was going to try to describe the relationship, that would not be a bad place to begin.
 
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Nathan -

Dictionarian? HAHA! Impressive!

So would it be fair to conclude you said . . . .

“When BELIEF (hope, knowing it can be done, if He wants it to be done; marked by peace, or security; being emotionally connected and look completely upon) meets TRUST (based upon the character of God. Not necessarily what He has said, but what He has done; marked by dependence, or allegiance; given over and given into; becomes your ’source’ ), only then FAITH (what God has said, and marked by action) is produced?â€

If so, would it be a stretch (based on that conclusion) to say one might have a trust, even a belief , but without the two, there could be no faith (in God)?

So in keeping with the OP, Does Trusting God would have to mean having faith in God? And the two - three if you include belief, are inseparable?

Aw, the depths of semantics when articulating one’s position!


Be blessed, Stay blessed!
 
Oh boy, the depth indeed!

I think you can read my mind. :o

Seriously, you have pretty much nailed it.

Hbr 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction(trust) of things not seen.

I messed up. Uh oh. In my definition. I am going to revise it so it is more better. :)

conviction - elegchos
1) a proof, that by which a thing is proved or tested
2) conviction

Yes, without one or the other, there can be no faith. And the only way to know the faith is real is the proof of action. This is why you see a lot of people who 'trust' God, but do not believe Him. Or why they 'believe' Him, but do not trust. Then they wonder why they feel like they are lacking faith.

Faith is inseparable from the two. But you can have either one, even both, of the others without having faith. You said "produces", which is right on target. Because faith is a 'fruit' of the seed, which grows into a plant with roots, in our hearts; it is something that cannot be separated from the other two, and it is something we cannot produce ourselves. It takes God working in our lives to continue the source of nourishment so that the fruit can continue to grow.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

There are so many passages that teach this truth about the three. Time and space would not permit it to be placed in this post.
 
darktipper said:
Go with the flow? What does trust god really mean? If you trust God that he provide for you and you end up starving and die or get put out of your house do to foreclosure then what? If your wife or husband left you out of the blue for another person then how can you trust God on that?
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All posts seem to be good starting points. But first, for the REQUIRED (Born Again) change to come, one must give up the stubborn will to God in FULL TRUST. Then we see Acts 5:32 take over. We can know all about Truth as did Old Israel, and we can still make spiritual 'individual' ship/wreck as they as a Unit (Fold) did. Matt. 23:38,

Having the Holy Spirit STRIVING with us, even with tears streaming down our cheeks at times is not 'yielding' the 'will' to His CONDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS. And we do find many today being satisified with this arrangement only!

And that is what God REQUIRES, is our [TOTAL WILL!] check Acts 9:6 for Christ's WORD of what one [MUST DO!] Then see what the 'free choice' required for this change to take place!! Think of where Saul (Paul) came from & where Christ 'SENT' Paul! This was Saul at CROSSROADS of FULL TRUST!

Even ask youself why Christ did not heal Saul & tell him what he must do Himself! Then note Matt. 18:17-18 for Christ's True Virgin Church!

--Elijah
 
Nathan and Bonairos,

A few more of the Lord's three fold cord that is not soon broken.

1 Cor 13:13-14:1
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. KJV

1 John 5:7-8
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. KJV

Matt 18:18-20
18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. KJV

Joe
 
darktipper said:
Go with the flow? What does trust god really mean? If you trust God that he provide for you and you end up starving and die or get put out of your house do to foreclosure then what? If your wife or husband left you out of the blue for another person then how can you trust God on that?
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Trusting the Lord is only one piece to the puzzle. We also have to obey him.
 
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