Does your diet need improving?

[MrVersatile48]

Does your diet need improving?

Do you think having a low income means you have a poorer diet? Or are we all eating just as badly as each other?

There had been concerns that people on the lowest incomes faced more barriers to healthy eating, but a new study claims this is not the case.

The Foods Standards Agency (FSA) found that while people on lower incomes weren't eating a very healthy diet, their diet was no worse than the rest of the population.

The FSA claim we all need to eat a more healthy diet, do you agree? Do you have a weight problem? What prevents you from eating more healthily?


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Ian

 

[tim-from-pa]

Well, I say this one thing. I think that the best foods for you are recorded in the bible, and that's the source we should go to for health. I definitely do not always practice what I preach, but is the flesh nature in me wanting to be gluttonous at times. However, I think that the resources there are available to everyone. God would not state something, and then not allow a person to follow it if they want to.

On this line, I always like to bring up my latest "bone of contention" with the medical establishment: salt is not bad for a person. People will counter me by saying that this is true, but we should use it in moderation. I agree. But to the health nuts out there "moderation" means that one should barely salt their food. The maximum suggested amount I think is something like 2200 mg a day. This IMO is way too low. I think the human body can safely consume 4-5 times that amount daily. So they say that most people take 4 times the recommended amount? No problem I say. Now if its 10 or 20 times, yes. But I think the amount people consume is not a problem (says Mr. 125/72 here who is almost 50 years old that eats lots of salt)

Yes, they speak of health, but in reality are apostles of death. They do not believe the bible, but in evolution, so why should we believe them?

 

[Abimelech]

Well, I say this one thing. I think that the best foods for you are recorded in the bible, and that's the source we should go to for health. I definitely do not always practice what I preach, but is the flesh nature in me wanting to be gluttonous at times. However, I think that the resources there are available to everyone. God would not state something, and then not allow a person to follow it if they want to.

On this line, I always like to bring up my latest "bone of contention" with the medical establishment: salt is not bad for a person. People will counter me by saying that this is true, but we should use it in moderation. I agree. But to the health nuts out there "moderation" means that one should barely salt their food. The maximum suggested amount I think is something like 2200 mg a day. This IMO is way too low. I think the human body can safely consume 4-5 times that amount daily. So they say that most people take 4 times the recommended amount? No problem I say. Now if its 10 or 20 times, yes. But I think the amount people consume is not a problem (says Mr. 125/72 here who is almost 50 years old that eats lots of salt)

Yes, they speak of health, but in reality are apostles of death. They do not believe the bible, but in evolution, so why should we believe them?

I disagree with you completely. To ignore advances in medicine and the greater knowledge we have about our bodies and what is healthy for them, in my opinion, is antithetical to treating our bodies the way God wants.

The fact that you personally have suffered no health problems despite consuming a lot of salt is neither here nor there. People love to throw around stories about this person who smoked and lived to 100, or this other person who ate a pound of bacon a week and never had a heart problem. One person's unlikely story says nothing about the truth of what science tells us.

As to your contention that individuals who advocate healthy eating do not believe in the Bible, I'll take that with a pound or two of salt.

 

[tim-from-pa]

I disagree with you completely. To ignore advances in medicine and the greater knowledge we have about our bodies and what is healthy for them, in my opinion, is antithetical to treating our bodies the way God wants.

The fact that you personally have suffered no health problems despite consuming a lot of salt is neither here nor there. People love to throw around stories about this person who smoked and lived to 100, or this other person who ate a pound of bacon a week and never had a heart problem. One person's unlikely story says nothing about the truth of what science tells us.

As to your contention that individuals who advocate healthy eating do not believe in the Bible, I'll take that with a pound or two of salt.

I want to remind you that That God calls salt kosher and a clean food in the bible. Man is saying the opposite. Please study your bible to see that you have been rooked by this lie.

 

[Lewis]

Not everyone is salt sensitive. I am not. High intakes of salt' does not bother me. That is yet. And it seems like on my dads side of the family' we can take a lot of salt. But on my moms side they can't.

 

[Abimelech]

I want to remind you that That God calls salt kosher and a clean food in the bible. Man is saying the opposite. Please study your bible to see that you have been rooked by this lie.

The Bible was written in a time period when people had less knowledge. Word of God, yes, but that doesn't mean that increased knowledge should not be taken to heart.

 

[Lewis]

Has anybody had a salt and brine sandwich yet ?

 

[Rick W]

I eat to get rid of the uncomfortable feeling of hunger. Fortunately I've never really been hungry in my life. Not real hunger anyway. Should I watch what I eat? I guess but I just don't really care as long as there's something to eat. Eating to me is like sleep, a complete waste of time. A quick something like a peanut butter sandwich and a glass of milk or a can of tuna (in oil prefered), a little cheese (any kind) and some good "Italian" bread (no butter necessary) is just as good to me as any gourmet meal out there. A submarine sandwich, a couple hard boiled eggs and unsweetened grapefruit juice, I love sour (not from concentrate is preferable though hard to find) and I'm good to go.
I'm not concerned about a Whooper or a Big Mac while on the run either. I munch potato chips, doritos or anything salty in the bathtub while reading which my wife thinks is a little weird. I really don't think about what I eat. Maybe I should but I've had no probs and I don't consider myself overweight. Been underweight most of my life anyway but during the past few years I've been neither I suppose.
Grandpap ran a dairy farm, lived on eggs, whole milk (the cream would even come to the top of the glass) common meats like poultry, beef, pork and of course most anything that grew in a garden in western Pennsylvania. He smoked constantly and enjoyed beer and a shot or two of something from an unlabeled bottle. Lived to be 91. Died two weeks after Grandmother past away.

 

[tim-from-pa]

The Bible was written in a time period when people had less knowledge. Word of God, yes, but that doesn't mean that increased knowledge should not be taken to heart.

Fine. Believe what you want about a limited inspiration of the bible. I'll hang my life on it. That's the definition of faith. Some can't do that if they believe its like any other book and not inspired by God nor the Word of God. Instead, believe in medical science which BTW, I predict they will be changing their opinions tomorrow and say something else anyway. Then one day you say one thing and the next something else like the changing wind wherever they lead your thinking.

 

[Lewis]

Grandpap ran a dairy farm, lived on eggs, whole milk (the cream would even come to the top of the glass) common meats like poultry, beef, pork and of course most anything that grew in a garden in western Pennsylvania. He smoked constantly and enjoyed beer and a shot or two of something from an unlabeled bottle. Lived to be 91. Died two weeks after Grandmother past away.

Wow

 

[Rick W]

Wow

He worked hard though, sunrise to sunset. And that may have been the difference. After all, there were no such things as couch potatoes in his day. In bed at sunset and up a 4am to milk the cows to start his day.
Even at his age he worked as well as he could. I think loneliness killed him. He just gave up living.

 

[Lewis]

He worked hard though, sunrise to sunset. And that may have been the difference. After all, there were no such things as couch potatoes in his day. In bed at sunset and up a 4am to milk the cows to start his day.
Even at his age he worked as well as he could. I think loneliness killed him. He just gave up living.

Yes loneliness can do it. My grandmother lived to be 92 and and my grandfather only lived to be 66. I am sitting here online in the same room' where I found her dead 2002, and it still stings.

 

[lovely]

Hi Mr. V and others,

I don't think it's only about income level, but that can hinder somewhat. It's mainly about making healthy eating a good habit. It's another area in which to be led by the Holy Spirit, imo. People of every income level can grow a few plants, buy fresh veggies and fruits at the local farmers market, and really just do their best to eat simple and fresh. Homemade meals are less expensive, and better for you. They can also avoid junk like chips, sweets, processed non-foods, and soft drinks...this stuff eats up money anyway. We save these things for special celebrations, but even then, homemade tortilla chips, an apple pie, or a fruit blend punch, from my kitchen is usually preferred by my family.

The salt issue has never concerned me. If you work in a way that you loose salt, you may need to consume more than others do, but if you do not...maybe you can get too much. I am not sure an exact number flat across the board is an accurate calculation for the mindful individual.

We spend approximately $300.00 - 400.00 a month on grocery, ( We spent closer to 500.00 while living in Colorado) and while I do buy some products that are a little more pricey...sea salt is one of them...the rest are just simple ingredients. And, by eating more fresh items, the salt intake is probably less overall anyway. I do the same with things like olive oil, whole flours for good bread, grinded peanut butter, honey, and nuts, and other more natural products that tend to be staples for our family. If we purchase grass-fed beef from a farmer...beef is about $2.40 a pound with processing. We purchase raw milk from the dairy farmer a few miles away...which supplies butter, yogurt, cream, ice cream, and sometimes cheese. We provide our own eggs, and most of our veggies during season. Basically, everyone can buy quality staples, and make their own simple and healthy meals...especially if they don't mind a menu that is mostly repeats, with some different things thrown in only occasionally. I don't believe that income is the main issue, but I do believe that it does limit somewhat...it can press people to get more creative, though...like joining a co-op, or finding their local farmer's markets, and in some cases eating healthier than most because of it. Even if they don't get radical, a little improvement in this area goes a long way...especially if it is an item your family eats a lot.

As far as health problems go, we can get those no matter how well we eat. This is in God's hands ultimately. I think we should do our best to be obedient to God, and to train our families in good habits, but we must keep in mind that formulas don't always work in a fallen world. The Lord bless all of you.

P.S. I am eating some watermelon as I type this...with sticky fingers...it's yummy. I prefer no salt, Tim. :-D

 

[tim-from-pa]

P.S. I am eating some watermelon as I type this...with sticky fingers...it's yummy. I prefer no salt, Tim.

That's OK, because that is a preference. I love watermelon, too (without any salt on it).

My bone is with those that try to push the doctrine of forbidding salt on those who want to have it and making them feel guilty. If you notice most of my posts in all this forum do not generally forbid anything that has scriptural value. I'm only against that which is clearly wrong as supported by scripture (and salt is not one of them). In other words, I like to have some solid scriptural backing to something before I smugly say to another "thou shalt not". And that goes for wine, too, but we had way too many posts on that already so I won't go beyond that.

 

[Atonement]

I like Cajun seasoning with everything, less sodium. It's good on eggs, meats, soups, salads just about everything. Why do we add salt? Because it gives flavor. Use a subsitute if you are keen about sodium. Problem solved. Salt I believe has like 500mg of Sodium per teaspoon/table spoon. If someone would like to verify please. I'm at work and can't run to my kitchen to check out LOL. Cajun has like 300mg per teaspoon/tablespoon. I'll get the exact amount and post later. But it's just as good if not better IMO.

 

[Justmee]

Isn't the key to all this "moderation"? Too much of anything is liable to have a negative result.

Keith, uggh! I swear you sound just like my husband! He LOVES cajun seasoning on everything. I think he's put it on his peanut butter & jelly if I'd let him. :shocked!:

 

[Atonement]

Isn't the key to all this "moderation"? Too much of anything is liable to have a negative result.

Keith, uggh! I swear you sound just like my husband! He LOVES cajun seasoning on everything. I think he's put it on his peanut butter & jelly if I'd let him. :shocked!:

Smart man you have there.. But peanut butter and jelly.. Umm No thank you.. hehe

 

[MrVersatile48]

Hi all!

Interesting replies - the OP article struck me as I am now halfway thru a 14-week therapeutic gym program... :

I have my halfway assessment on Friday :fadein:

Today, I had my usual muesli breakfast - but about 2.5 hours later, on my way to gym, I realised my tummy might well rumble with hunger during the workout, so I grabbed a McD bacon cheeseburger... :robot:

& a cheese salad sandwich after the gym :

Next Sunday, L'pool's City Church, Jubilee Drive, L6 will have one of our occasional 'Butty Sundays' - we all take sandwiches to the big garden of one of the members

Pastor said that, as his wife will then be on a mission trip to Poland, he'll probably bring jam butties - but didn't say if they'll be from Ken Dodd's famous 'Jam Butty Mines'

We all try & make more than we need ourselves, for any new folk that may not have heard the invitation on Sunday

We have Atlanta GA's Dr Howard Morgan speaking at nearby Coleridge St Kensington Elim's Sat men's breakfast, 10am, £2.50, talking @ A Prophetic People for a Prophetic Time - food for the soul

I thought I had the booking contact number with me, but he'll be @ City Church @ 7.45pm on Tues

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Btw, I do try & eat an apple, a banana & an orange & some fresh veg daily, & a friend who I hadn't seen for 2/3 weeks said, on Sat, that she could see I've lost weight, praise God! :-D

It's a bit of a miracle really because, thought I'd long boycotted chocolate & biscuits till I began at gym, I've tended to eat both regularly since starting the 3-times-a-week routines :roll:

I'll try & stop both - after I finish the 'biccies' I have already - honest! :wink:

Ian :

 

[Atonement]

Today, I had my usual muesli breakfast - but about 2.5 hours later, on my way to gym, I realised my tummy might well rumble with hunger during the workout, so I grabbed a McD bacon cheeseburger...

& a cheese salad sandwich after the gym

I hope you were joking around? I hit the gym daily, I'm Very fit. My fat mass is 10%. I'm 5'9 and weigh 190lbs. This might seem fat to alot of people, but it's all muscle and it's because I eat Very healthy. I would never eat at McDonalds before or after the gym.. What's the point then? Buy protein bars if you can't stand your stomach growling while working out.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Isn't the key to all this "moderation"? Too much of anything is liable to have a negative result.

Agreed. I think the point I was making was that in some instances "moderation" is taken to mean hardly any at all. That's not moderation. That's scanty.

Take water for instance. One can overdo that and wash the minerals out of their bodies. But that takes gallons and gallons and gallons a day. My point is that someone may come along and say "Water in moderation is good, just don't drink more than a cup a day!" and thus they define moderation as virtually nothing.

There's a huge difference between scanty, moderation and overdoing something. It is not usually a precise dividing line, but overdoing something often requires a lot more than one thinks.