Don't you think its funny.

[peace4all]

MURDER OF U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; CONSPIRACY TO MURDER U.S. NATIONALS OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES; ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

That is what Usama Bin Laden is wanted for by the united states.. NO WHERE on the WHOLE FBI wanted list, does it say ANYTHING about him + 9/11 At all. Nothing. why?


http://www.loosechange911.com/

Check out the video.. It doesn't matter what you think before you see it. After you watch it, If you don't atleast have a few questions, you have some sort of disability.

 

[belovedwolfofgod]

i looked around that site, watched the trailer... saw something like this before. read about it. nothing but a conspiracy theory. A dirty one, in my opinion. Funny story, some guy in NYC was selling something like this on DVD. After speaking for about 30 seconds, some friends kept me from attacking the guy. Just out to make money... or gain fame... or something.

 

[peace4all]

they do sell the DVD, and they sell it for the creation cost, and that is it. Not for profit..

They also give it FREE to any person that had a relative killed in the attacks.


It might just be a theory, But this theory, points out TONS of things, that don't possibly add up.

I know some people hate science here, But science makes planes fly, and science also shows that when planes crash, they leave wreckage....

 

[philbo]

Thanks peace4all. I could rant on and on about this, but suffice it to say that the link kinda sums things up already. I wish more people were informed.

 

[peace4all]

Me too. Even if you don't 100% agree, Just if more people saw it, and questioned..


We were founded as a nation that questioned those that ruled us. We disagreed and we questioned.

In the land of the free, It is our duty to not let government lie to us.

I would rather dig and dig and dig and be wrong, and see the government was truthful, than let atrocities go free because I didnt think it was worth it.

 

[destiny]

I'm learning that government is a very dark and deceptive business with tentacles everywhere and in everything.
The video doesn't make me any more or less trusting of the government as a whole...No matter what the party lable.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I'm learning that government is a very dark and deceptive business with tentacles everywhere and in everything.
The video doesn't make me any more or less trusting of the government as a whole...No matter what the party lable.

Right. While 'conspiracy theories' should be regarded with caution this doesn't mean that some may not contain some elements of truth. I don't have too much faith in ANY government. The potential for corruption is always there ...in any organization for that matter ...even the church...

 

[Geo]

Admittingly 9/11 is one of the toughest cases ever that challenges
logic and asks "what is truth" and reality.

All I can say is, I was searching for the plane that has or has not
crashed into the Pentagon. And I'm used to do research so I located
the only sat photo that was taken out of space on 9/12 that shows
directly the place in a very high resolution. There was not even a hint
or particle of any plane. Why did they clean up so quickly?

I also saw a video where a high speed projectile or flying object hits
the twin towers appart from the planes. What was that? Nobody ever
talked about it officially. All the people on the ground that heard
detonations inside the towers before it collapsed got their statement
erased from the official protocol. This all just begs to raise curiosity
until final explanation.

When I was a kid we read "1984" by George Orwell, and thought we would
know it if we ever see something like this in real life. Problem is,
even if you would, how would you prove it. And who would believe you?

The general public is like the "jehovas witness", the more truth you talk to
them, the more indoctrination they spit back at you. We have to realize the
indoctrination of the world is largely done through TV, and reality is created
by news networks that belong more or less to 4-5 families. These people
...well I don't want to say the 'control' word, let's say there are guidelines,
and things you cannot say unless approved by the chief editor. They have
a conformity agreement with highest doctrines, and these are expressed
in these two gifted and most honoured fine leaders of humanity:

“Pope John Paul II rang in the New Year on Thursday with a renewed call
for...the creation of a new world order.” The Christian Post Jan. 2, 2004

“It is a big idea: a new world order...only the United States has both the
moral standing and means to back it up.” Former President George Bush.
State of Union address, Jan. 29, 1991

 

[destiny]

Geo, what do you think G. Bush sr. had in mind as a new world order, what was he trying to establish??

 

[ArtGuy]

All I can say is, I was searching for the plane that has or has not crashed into the Pentagon. And I'm used to do research so I located
the only sat photo that was taken out of space on 9/12 that shows
directly the place in a very high resolution. There was not even a hint
or particle of any plane. Why did they clean up so quickly?

You must not have looked very hard.

Here's a Wiki article on 9/11 conspiracy theories explaining in great detail how full of crap they are.

 

[GundamZero]

ATTACK ON A FEDERAL FACILITY RESULTING IN DEATH

The Pentagon was a federal facility and many people were killed. Also, many valueble metals were stored under the Twin Towers, federal reserved protected by federal law, making federal facilities present on Ground Zero.

An American conspiracy behind 9/11 holds no substantial ground outside of circumstancial evidence.

If you really want to find a conspiracy, review the entire National Security dealings of Clinton, who had three chances to capture Osama but didn't on the grounds that he had no legal reasons to take him into American custody.(At that point, the Towers had already been bombed and Osama had already taken credit.)

There are no conspiracies on our end further than petty personal politics.

 

[peace4all]

gundam....

It wasnt under clinton, when the toweres were bombed.. and when the tape that is awfully suspicous surfaced claiming responsibility.

IT wasnt under clinton when osama entered into hospitals to be treated for things, and supposedly was mey by members of the CIA....

By the "attack on the federal facility" they meant the attacks on US embassies earlier,
Notice down lower where it says it says June 1999.. that was when it was last updated.....

a
artguy.. Watch the movie, it has detialed blueprints that show what the parts you listed look like on a 757, and what the parts look like that were found...

Notice the lack of the traingular bevels on teh one found in the crash....

Ever seen the movie?

Look as he bites himself in his own butt!
unless of course he disagrees with what the governm,ent calimed, about the lack of plane being due to the fact that it was all melted directly upon impact.. so, Steal, Aluminum, Iron, all of that, VAPORIZED but this?

 

[ArtGuy]

artguy.. Watch the movie, it has detialed blueprints that show what the parts you listed look like on a 757, and what the parts look like that were found...

I watched the trailer. That's plenty. I'm familiar with all of the conspiracy theories. I've read them, I've seen them spectacularly debunked. Did you read the article I linked? How do you respond?

The 100s of witnesses who saw a plane crash into the building - were they all lying? The photos of actual plane debris lying everywhere - planted? The conspicuously plane-shaped hole in the building - happy accident?

 

[peace4all]

look at the picture, No plane shaped damage in teh building. Areas the wings should have hit, have intact windows, Areas the engines should have DESTROYED are sitting there perfectly intact.

What about the eyewitness's that said that there were explosions? they could smell explosives?

What about the cameras confiscated by the FBI and NEVER released, minutes after the impact? I mean, Do you know how easy it would be to just release 2 tapes, and disprove these theories?

Yes, I read the site, and I looked at the pictures, and debunked a few in a matter of seconds.

I mean, look, tons of incidents where planes clipped light posts, and crashed, yet this 757 managed to be flown by inexperienced fliers, not bend, but Rip out what, 7? light posts, and STILL continue in a perfect path and crash?>

for every person that witnessed a plane, there were people that smelled explosives, that heard bombs go off, that saw what looked like a missle, that saw NO evidence of a plane...

 

[ArtGuy]

look at the picture, No plane shaped damage in teh building. Areas the wings should have hit, have intact windows, Areas the engines should have DESTROYED are sitting there perfectly intact.

Please show me the picture of the window that should have been DESTROYED by the plane. I see plenty of destruction.

What about the eyewitness's that said that there were explosions? they could smell explosives?

You really think that the average fellow on the street is going to be able to accurately discern between the smell of high-grade explosives and the smell of burning jet fuel and plane bits? And of course there was an explosion. A large plane flew into a building. Again, I don't trust people who were presumably not much expecting a plane to suddenly fly into the Pentagon to recall correctly whether they heard military grade explosives going off, or a big freaking plane crashing.

What about the cameras confiscated by the FBI and NEVER released, minutes after the impact? I mean, Do you know how easy it would be to just release 2 tapes, and disprove these theories?

Well, let's see. A plane crashed into one of the most high-security buildings in the nation. Is it possible that maybe stuff was revealed in the process that the government might not wish to share with the world at large? You know that the precise floor plan of the Pentagon is classified information, right? And that a plane crashing into the building showed off some of that floorplan, right?

Yes, I read the site, and I looked at the pictures, and debunked a few in a matter of seconds.

Very well. Pick one thing that you "debunked in a matter of seconds", and elaborate.

I mean, look, tons of incidents where planes clipped light posts, and crashed, yet this 757 managed to be flown by inexperienced fliers, not bend, but Rip out what, 7? light posts, and STILL continue in a perfect path and crash?

A giant plane, weighing hundreds of tons, manages to crash into maybe half a ton worth of light posts without having its path dramatically altered? Shocking! I'm also astonished that my car doesn't slip into an uncontrolled spin every time I run into a bug on the freeway.

for every person that witnessed a plane, there were people that smelled explosives, that heard bombs go off, that saw what looked like a missle, that saw NO evidence of a plane...

Well, I linked you to a page full of photos that seem to imply a plane, but those were obviously faked.

Now, details aside, perhaps you could explain what possible motive the government might have for faking a plane crash into the Pentagon. Because the whole endeavor seems pretty silly, yes? What was gained by the Pentagon blowing up? If you can't come up with even a superficially plausible reason for the government faking this, then the debate becomes pretty pointless, because your argument boils down to, "They did it because the government is evil and likes faking stuff."

 

[peace4all]

I already took pictures, and debunked them a post up.

The reports about the explosives, were from people INSIDE the pentagon when it was struck..

Now.. guestion for you here.

The camera over 1-590... it DOES NOT SHOW THE PENTAGON it shows only where the plane would have had to have flown, to hit the pentagon.

the camera at the hotel, is a security camera, and it can be seen by tons of people...

You can take pictures, of the pentagon, there are pictures everywhere. I mean, look at the pictures of the devestation, yet, video of a plane flying into it is going to be worse?

this size plane, was brought down by 1 lightpost.. 1...

Now... 7 vs a 757, flown by a guy that had basically no flying experience, and 1` vs the above plane..... Flown by advanced pilots going to pick up bush sr... Idunno but.. It is VERY VERY fishy.....
Watch the video.. not just the trailer..

I didnt even touch on all the Put options, the Insurance put on it. The inprobability that ALL THE WRECKAGE disapears, but they are able to use DNA to identify most of the victims? and wait. what? why arent the black boxes, made out of some of the most INDESTRUCTABLE materials found? yet, DNA? honestly now...

 

[ArtGuy]

Now... 7 vs a 757, flown by a guy that had basically no flying experience, and 1` vs the above plane..... Flown by advanced pilots going to pick up bush sr... Idunno but.. It is VERY VERY fishy.....
Watch the video.. not just the trailer..

Flying experience has little to do with it. If the lightposts are of insignificant mass, the plane is going to fly straight through them. And clearly the pilot didn't exactly display mastery of the air, because he crashed into a giant building.

Now, I don't know what that plane in your pic is, so I can't do a perfect comparison, but let's do some basic math here.

A loaded 757 has a mass of roughly 100,000kg. At a speed of 200m/s, it has a kinetic energy of approximately 2x10^9 J. Assuming a light post 6m tall, and 0.3m thick, made of 1/4" sheet steel, and guessing at a 50kg light on top, we have the total mass of the light post at about 330kg. I can tell you that driving 2 billion joules of kinetic energy into 330kg of mass, even doing so 7 times, is going to do just about squat. It might make the plane wobble, perhaps even a lot, but it's not going to drive it off course, and it's not going to make it spin in a loop, or whatever crazy acrobatics you may be imagining that a 100 ton plane performs when it runs into a little stop light.

I didnt even touch on all the Put options, the Insurance put on it. The inprobability that ALL THE WRECKAGE disapears, but they are able to use DNA to identify most of the victims? and wait. what? why arent the black boxes, made out of some of the most INDESTRUCTABLE materials found? yet, DNA? honestly now...

Your theory, then, is that the government noticed the planes flying into the WTC, and thought, "Ooh, now is the perfect time to detonate the explosives we secretly planted in the Pentagon so we can collect the insurance money!" This is your evil plot? I mean, do you recognize how completely ridiculous this sounds?

 

[BATMAN]

All I can say is, I was searching for the plane that has or has not
crashed into the Pentagon. And I'm used to do research so I located
the only sat photo that was taken out of space on 9/12 that shows
directly the place in a very high resolution. There was not even a hint
or particle of any plane. Why did they clean up so quickly?

I think the aliens beamed it up.

I also saw a video where a high speed projectile or flying object hits the twin towers appart from the planes. What was that? .

[/quote]
Maybe because you were the only one to see it?

 

[Geo]

"... what do you think G. Bush sr. had in mind as a new world order,
what was he trying to establish??"

Hi Destiny,

It requires a bit of research on your side, because one does not come
to 'the bottom' of it by stating opinions or even facts on discussion boards.

Just a basic direction: The new world order means the end of old (exisiting)
power structures and even sovereignties of countries, and replace it completely
with a NEW order structure,

your assumption "what WAS he trying to establish" is wrong,
it's still on, and the final plan is to set the stage for the appearance of "The Christ"
as their chosen leader. The new world order is all about the anti-christ.

http://www.saintsalive.com/freemasonry/fmnewage.htm
==> Freemasonry and the New Age world religion

http://www.rinf.com/news/nov05/skulls.html
==> An Evangelical Christian Looks at Bush's Skull and Bones Initiation

http://www.cuttingedge.org/fmcorner.html
==> The Freemasonry Connection With The New World Order

http://www.threeworldwars.com/nwo-timeline.htm
==> 3 World Wars

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/ha ... masons.htm
==> United States Presidents and The Illuminati / Masonic Power Structure

And a pointer from the current pope:

Joseph Ratsinger or Pope Benedict XVI believes and has stated that Jesus Christ is not
coming back but rather another who has his traits is appearing. Here is the quote taken
from a publication by the Pontifical Biblical Commission entitled The Jewish People and
their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible. The quote is as follows: “Jewish messianic
expectation is not in vain. It can become for us Christians a powerful stimulant to keep
alive the eschatological dimension of our faith. Like them, we too live in expectation.
The difference is that for us, the One who is to come will have the traits of the Jesus
who has already come and is already present and active among us.” (The Jewish People
and their Sacred Scriptures in the Christian Bible, The Vatican.)

 

[Lewis]

Here are some sites I found a couple years ago, you got to see this stuff, on what really went down whith the plane crashing into the Pentagon. When I first saw this stuff I did not know what to think. And 2 or more years later I still don't.

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/ ... urs_en.htm

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal.html

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/p/ ... ncrash.htm