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[Hitch]

Another look at DF teaching before 1948.

.6 There is no difficulty in understanding how with her satelites (including Germany), Russia will be wicked enough to try and wreak such vengeance on Jews who will then be in their l own and dwelling comfortably,for all Christians in the world will have been caught up-long before this- to be with their Lord in the air.The nations are wicked enough today , but what will thay be capable of when not a Christian remains as a mollyfing influence?

A couple of pages later;

6' This attack against Palestine from the north cannot take place before the tribulation period expires,as is outlined in the foregoing pages. This is proved by the dual statements that only then will the people and Israel know why the latter went into captivity (see chapter 39;23;28) and the promise thatthe Lord will not hide his face any more from them.(See Verse 29.)

7. In the plan of God the centre of the world's stage today is the church, swo all prophecies concerning any indicated Gentile nation or combination of nations are held in abeyance untill the church is taken away.

8. And the next great event is the Rapture of the Chriuch,and indications pointing the events in Ezekiel 38- which cannot be fulfilled now-suggest the nearness of our Lord's call for His own...

THE COMMING NORTHERN CONFEDERACY l SALE-HARRISON,@1928,pgs 99,101. Emphasis added.

Interesting to note that while Dr Sale writes the bulk of this work in 1928, shortly after the death of Scofield and the founding of DTS, the quotes are taken from the 15th edition, from the final chapter added following the end of WWII. In the text battles of 1945 are mentioned, but I could not find a date for the re-print. A Hundred bucks American says it was before 1948, heh heh

Most contemporary futurist dont know that the founders of the movement ,almost to a man predicted ,through the dispensitional system , that the church, must be removed before the founding of modern Israel.

Tak ecare

Hitch
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[Shilohsfoal]

Most contemporary futurist dont know that the founders of the movement ,almost to a man predicted ,through the dispensitional system , that the church, must be removed before the founding of modern Israel.

Tak ecare

Hitch
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Even today pre tribbers say the church must be removed before the beast comes.
When in fact the modern state of Israel is the beast.

I expect when those who claim to be jews are recieving the mark of the beast ,the same pre trib leaders will claim its not the mark of the beast.Whats laughable are the preachers who take up donations to pay for a jews trip to the land of Israel so that they can be of the beasts kingdom.It is written that all the world wonderd after the beast.
And so it is that jews from all around the world are wondering after the beast and the so called christian leaders are helping them to it.

 

[Hitch]

Even today pre tribbers say the church must be removed before the beast comes.
When in fact the modern state of Israel is the beast.

I expect when those who claim to be jews are recieving the mark of the beast ,the same pre trib leaders will claim its not the mark of the beast.Whats laughable are the preachers who take up donations to pay for a jews trip to the land of Israel so that they can be of the beasts kingdom.It is written that all the world wonderd after the beast.
And so it is that jews from all around the world are wondering after the beast and the so called christian leaders are helping them to it.

Well I cant agree with your definition but I can agree with your assesment. Modern Israel is as antichristan as any Muslim state,albeit a far superior political ally.

 

[reba]

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Well I cant agree with your definition but I can agree with your assesment. Modern Israel is as antichristan as any Muslim state,albeit a far superior political ally.

Far superiour than the others in the promised land because his look is more stout than his fellows ?Or is it because his mouth speaks very great things?

Daniel 7;20
And of the ten horns that were in his head,and of the other which came up,and before whom three fell,even of that horn that had eyes,and a mouth that spake very great things,whose look was more stout than his fellows.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

There are so many people that dont understand God has not gatherd Israel into his own land yet.
Jesus is the one who does this.
Yet people see the antichrist beast that has come and watch as those whos names are not written follow after it and they have no idea what is taking place before thier own faces because the beast calls himself by the name of Israel.Oh how Lucifer ,king of babylon has decieved the world.
I try to tell those that the kingdom has not been restored unto Israel and shall not untill the beast has been destroyed but they will not hear.

Daniel 7;25-27
And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy [it] unto the end.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Only after the beast is destroyed does Israel recieve the kingdom.
1000 years after Israel recieves the kingdom.Then Gog shall come against the mountains of Israel.

Ezekiel 38;8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Rev20;8-9
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Hitch]

Far superiour than the others in the promised land because his look is more stout than his fellows ?Or is it because his mouth speaks very great things?

Daniel 7;20
And of the ten horns that were in his head,and of the other which came up,and before whom three fell,even of that horn that had eyes,and a mouth that spake very great things,whose look was more stout than his fellows.

Because Israel is closer to us in outlook.

 

[Hitch]

There are so many people that dont understand God has not gatherd Israel into his own land yet.
Jesus is the one who does this.
Yet people see the antichrist beast that has come and watch as those whos names are not written follow after it and they have no idea what is taking place before thier own faces because the beast calls himself by the name of Israel.Oh how Lucifer ,king of babylon has decieved the world.
I try to tell those that the kingdom has not been restored unto Israel and shall not untill the beast has been destroyed but they will not hear.

Daniel 7;25-27
And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy [it] unto the end.
And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom [is] an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Only after the beast is destroyed does Israel recieve the kingdom.
1000 years after Israel recieves the kingdom.Then Gog shall come against the mountains of Israel.

Ezekiel 38;8
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land [that is] brought back from the sword, [and is] gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

Rev20;8-9
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom [is] as the sand of the sea.
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Why would Christ restore the kingdom to Israel since the nathion he gave it to produces its friut?

 

[jasoncran]

Because Israel is closer to us in outlook.

i thought you wouldnt include that our country is edging more and more to being anti-christian in society. whereas yrs ago(even in the 80's)it wasnt this hostile in culture.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Because Israel is closer to us in outlook.

Well.The US is just going to have to be Israel saviour and deliver them from the hands of thier enemies then.
Let us send a host and give the little horn national security.

Daniel 8;12
And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Rev 13;13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,


Let the U.S. save Israel.

 

[Hitch]

i thought you wouldnt include that our country is edging more and more to being anti-christian in society. whereas yrs ago(even in the 80's)it wasnt this hostile in culture.

I see it this way; If A and B are antichristian and B is pro west and A is pro Taliban , I go with B.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Why would Christ restore the kingdom to Israel since the nathion he gave it to produces its friut?

Because he said he would .
Here is when he does.

Mt 8;11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

As of now the children of that kingdom serve the beast.They will be cast out when the beast is destroyed ,Then the kingdom shall be restored unto Israel.Israel will then be gatherd out of the nations from the east and the west and shall sit down in the kingdom with Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob.

 

[Hitch]

Well.The US is just going to have to be Israel saviour and deliver them from the hands of thier enemies then.
Let us send a host and give the little horn national security.

Daniel 8;12
And an host was given [him] against the daily [sacrifice] by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

Rev 13;13
And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,


Let the U.S. save Israel.

Dont care to answer the question ?

 

[jasoncran]

I see it this way; If A and B are antichristian and B is pro west and A is pro Taliban , I go with B.

i know what you mean. shiloh is talking about the land being given to the true jews that survive the trib.
he is also mentioning that as those are the only ones that could get that land.

while I differ on with him the modern isreal as a pre-tribber, i do see that modern isreal is in deception and will sadly welcome the ac in and love him, then realise later opps.

and then the ac will turn on them.

that is why i presented that statement by the Lord."..you shall not see me till ye say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord"

and that was adress to the temple and those that heard him.

as a group.

before you say nay.

if i stand up on tv and say oh america repent for God is gonna judge america and we will be destroyed.
repent for the abortion
repent for the rich robbing the laborer
repent for the sex lewdness
repent for the stealing of indian lands
am i adressing one person or the whole nation?

 

[Hitch]

This might win the fastest thread off track award LOL

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Ezikiel 38;12
To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places [that are now] inhabited, and upon the people [that are] gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land.

These are the people who dwell in the land of Israel when Gog comes against them.
They have been gatherd out of the nations into thier land.


Mt 8;11-12
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


The people gatherd out of the nations in Ezekiel 38;12 are the same as those who recieve the kingdom in Mt8;11.

 

[Hitch]

i know what you mean. shiloh is talking about the land being given to the true jews that survive the trib.
he is also mentioning that as those are the only ones that could get that land.

while I differ on with him the modern isreal as a pre-tribber, i do see that modern isreal is in deception and will sadly welcome the ac in and love him, then realise later opps.

and then the ac will turn on them.

that is why i presented that statement by the Lord."..you shall not see me till ye say blessed is he that cometh in the name of the lord"

and that was adress to the temple and those that heard him.

as a group.

before you say nay.

if i stand up on tv and say oh america repent for God is gonna judge america and we will be destroyed.
repent for the abortion
repent for the rich robbing the laborer
repent for the sex lewdness
repent for the stealing of indian lands
am i adressing one person or the whole nation?

Wrt abortion the nation shares the blood guilt.
wrt the rich robbing the laborer LOL

sex lewdness ;; national

Indian lands??? Exactly who did the indians 'buy' it from ?

Still there is another facet,

what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?†“If I find forty-five there,†he said, “I will not destroy it.â€

H

 

[Shilohsfoal]

Dont care to answer the question ?

I already did.
Israel is God's chosen people.
The nation that dwells there now is not Israel.

Israel is a name given to an overcomer.
If you dont believe me ask Jacob.

Or even better you can read where Jesus himself is called by the name of Israel.
Isaiah 49;2-3

He has made My mouth like a sharp sword,
In the shadow of His hand He has concealed Me;
And He has also made Me a select arrow,
He has hidden Me in His quiver.
3He said to Me, “You are My Servant, Israel,
In Whom I will show My glory.”

Blessed is this Israel .
The true Israel.

And those jews who overcome the beast shall be called by the name Israel.

 

[jasoncran]

Wrt abortion the nation shares the blood guilt.
wrt the rich robbing the laborer LOL

sex lewdness ;; national

Indian lands??? Exactly who did the indians 'buy' it from ?

Still there is another facet,

what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?” “If I find forty-five there,” he said, “I will not destroy it.”

H

seminole land , hello , we forced the indians to move.


andrew jackson was first governor of the Florida territory and fought the indians and also as president wanted the cherokees out of north carolina. they were willing to allow the white man to live with them and also live in peace!!!!!!!

yes the indians werent always inocent,but we have taken thier land

or shall i pull what your calvinists(puritans) said about them and i love those guys.


So God wont judge america? really?

he will sooner or later and sadly we aren't listening to the call of God.

just like isreal didnt

this election should have taught you much.
the MOST important thing on the minds of the voters was the economy.

those that werent christian that is.


really so the wealthy never take advantage of the lower classes and actually care ? ie the politicians

i work in a very wealthy community that has millionaires that come here to play

google john's island,windsor polo club, in Florida and most of those guys and gals are so snobbish and cheap that they will nickle and dime you to death when they have more money then they know what to do with even with the economy in the tank.

 

[Hitch]

seminole land , hello , we forced the indians to move.


andrew jackson was first governor of the land fought the indians and also as president wanted the cherokees out of north carolina. they were willing to allow the white man to live with them and also live in peace!!!!!!!

yes the indians werent always inocent,but we have taken thier land

or shall i pull what your calvinists(puritans) said about them and i love those guys.


So God wont judge america? really?

he will sooner or later and sadly we aren't listening to the call of God.

just like isreal didnt

this election should have taught you much.
the MOST important thing on the minds of the voters was the economy.

those that werent christian that is.


really so the wealthy never take advantage of the lower classes and actually care ? ie the politicians

i work in a very wealthy community that has millionaires that come here to play

And our Lord's view of private property extends to the poor and the rich, both of whom he made equally.

google john's island,windsor polo club, in Florida and most of those guys and gals are so snobbish and cheap that they will nickle and dime you to death when they have more money then they know what to do with even with the economy in the tank.

There's nothing bad about seeing things that are out of order ,wrong and or sinful about the country and the church but you need to spend a little time remembering the positives as well.