Earth father influence and how you view your Heavenly father

[Soma-Sight]

Did you have an overbearing father growing up?

I have found a direct correlation between how your father treated you as a kid and how you view God as an adult.

I have seen this in myself, my close friends, and my other family members.

Did your dad make you feel these emotions as a child?

Fear
Guilt
Inadequacy
Depression
Neglect
"Told you you were not GOOD enough"

If so 9 times out of 10 this is how you view the BIG parent in the sky in later life....

Unresolved feelings of guilt that get transferred to the God of Love...

How frustrating for God and how sad for us.

Instead of preaching the "Gospel" of Love, acceptance, forgiveness, healing, peace....

These people preach separatism, hate, guilt, power, and control to those around them


Other people that have had balanced upbringings do not preach with such a rabid fear driven drivel and see God as a "loving old man type with wisdom" not an overbearing big meanie.....

These people generally got this as a kid

Love
Appreciation
Forgiveness
Support
Patience

And of course this affects your view on God later in life as well!

These people tend to avoid discussions of having to "steer you into thier correct view of thinking" and lean towards understanding and constructive dialogue regardless of your religious background.


Can you see this trend in your own life and view on God and of those that are close to you?

 

[Nocturnal_Principal_X]

Re: Earth father influence and how you view your Heavenly fa

Did you have an overbearing father growing up?

I have found a direct correlation between how your father treated you as a kid and how you view God as an adult.

I have seen this in myself, my close friends, and my other family members.

Did your dad make you feel these emotions as a child?

Fear
Guilt
Inadequacy
Depression
Neglect
"Told you you were not GOOD enough"

If so 9 times out of 10 this is how you view the BIG parent in the sky in later life....

Unresolved feelings of guilt that get transferred to the God of Love...

How frustrating for God and how sad for us.

Instead of preaching the "Gospel" of Love, acceptance, forgiveness, healing, peace....

These people preach separatism, hate, guilt, power, and control to those around them

Growing up I had a difficult time with my father but years later, and with God’s help, my father and I are very close. In any event my views on God have always been vastly different on the views of my father.

Oh and you say YOU found a direct correlationâ€â€interesting Sigmund Freud seemed to think the same thing.

 

[Gary]

Soma-Sight: Gary did you have an overbearing father?
Gary: No, not at all. Why... did you?

Soma-Sight: I have found a direct correlation between how your father treated you as a kid and how you view God as an adult.
Gary: And exactly how large was your "sample? Or just another of your new-age theories?

Soma-Sight: Did your dad make you feel these emotions as a child? Fear, Guilt, Inadequacy, Depression, Neglect, "Told you you were not GOOD enough"....
Gary: Any normal child would have to admit that they MAY have felt these emotions at some time during their childhood. Did you never have these emotions? Can that explain your current problems?
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopi ... 051#225051

Soma-Sight: If so 9 times out of 10 this is how you view the BIG parent in the sky in later life....
Gary: I don't feel any of those emotions at all. Neither do I think (or experience) God like this. I notice in another post that you feel these emotions. Why is that?

Soma-Sight: Unresolved feelings of guilt that get transferred to the God of Love...
Gary: Really? How long has this been going on for you? Are you on any medication?

Soma-Sight: How frustrating for God and how sad for us.
Gary: Yes. God has better plans for you. You need to see God in Jesus. You need to have His Holy Spirit in you to experience Him.... not some "vision"

Soma-Sight: Other people that have had balanced upbringings do not preach with such a rabid fear driven drivel and see God as a "loving old man type with wisdom" and not an overbearing big meanie.....
Gary: Oh... really? Do you see God as "loving old man type with wisdom"? Why not quote a few Bible chapter/verses to support your little new-age theory. I see God in Jesus. The Bible says it very clearly. I realise you don't trust the Bible ... I think that is the start of your confusion. I read this in the Bible: "He (Jesus Christ) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation...." Colossians 1:15

Soma-Sight: These people generally got this as a kid: Love, Appreciation, Forgiveness, Support, Patience..
Gary: Yes, I got an abundance of that. Were you not so fortunate?

Soma-Sight: And of course this affects your view on God later in life as well!
Gary: It may. However, some of the most Godly men and women Christian saints have had varied upbringings. Have you ever studied the lives of the heroes of the Christian faith? That is a much larger sample than a few of your friends and family. I think your little theory is just that.... a theory.

 

[Loren Michael]

Re: Earth father influence and how you view your Heavenly fa

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soma-sight, if you're going to say something about a study or something, get a link for it, and make sure it's good one. no one buys off-the-cuff claims on the internet.

 

[Soma-Sight]

soma-sight, if you're going to say something about a study or something, get a link for it, and make sure it's good one. no one buys off-the-cuff claims on the internet.

This was not a study....

As gary put it.... It is my own "new age" hairbrained idea....

This is just coming from my expereince with many different people in the Church and how I saw that the kids with mean parents often thought of God as the same way and were more apt to "preach" judgementally rather than trying to learn and share....

 

[Heidi]

Once we are born again of the Spirit, God replaces the role that we got from our eathly father. We now come to God for answers instead of our earthly father. I like the way our pastor explains it; our earthly parents are those whom God has assigned to raise us into adulthood. But they are only temporary whereas our Father in heaven is eternal.

 

[Dave...]

Instead of preaching the "Gospel" of Love, acceptance, forgiveness, healing, peace....

These people preach separatism, hate, guilt, power, and control to those around them

Soma, I'd need to question your definitions of these things. Usually, you call good evil, and evil good. This is sounding like the blame your parents for everything and take no personal responsibility stuff that I hear all the time.

Your definition of love is not accurate. Your definition of acceptance is defined, no doubt, as the a liberal would, meaning that parents should not judge their children and nobody should ever judge another. This is based on the false liberal idea of freedom that believes a personal choice only affects the person making it. Truth is that personal choices affect others all the time, and personal choices affect society in general. So your acceptance is sometimes unacceptable. Forgiveness and healing, always a time for that. Peace, that would be an inner peace "not as the world gives". The truth of the Gospel will always divide.

Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: 52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three. 53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

This might be called separatism, I suppose. We hate sin, guilt is a good thing most of the time, and parents are supposed to control their kids to a degree.

Other people that have had balanced upbringings do not preach with such a rabid fear driven drivel and see God as a "loving old man type with wisdom" not an overbearing big meanie.....

These people generally got this as a kid

Love
Appreciation
Forgiveness
Support
Patience

And of course this affects your view on God later in life as well!

These people tend to avoid discussions of having to "steer you into thier correct view of thinking" and lean towards understanding and constructive dialogue regardless of your religious background.

Always looking for another angle, hey? Same false teaching, different mask.

Dave

 

[bibleberean]

Always looking for another angle, hey? Same false teaching, different mask.

Dave

Exactly Dave, it is always "poor Soma" and the "evil Christians".

 

[Shinto]

Our psychology probably dictates some of our approach to religion, but I think Soma-Sight's claim is a little far reaching.

Dave - I'm curious what your interpretation of Jesus's remarks about non-judgment were intended to mean.

 

[Dave...]

Hey Shinto.

Dave - I'm curious what your interpretation of Jesus's remarks about non-judgment were intended to mean.

I'll have to assume that you are speaking of Matthew.

["Judge not lest you be judged!" Matthew 7:1. In verse 15 Jesus warns us to "watch out for false prophets." How can we evaluate whether or not someone is a false prophet unless we use some degree of judgment? Jesus was speaking about judging self righteously and hypocritically. Paul tells us in I Corinthians 5:3, "And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this.." (New International Version) And in verse 12 he states, "Are you not to judge those inside [the church]. Judging in a biblical manner is the result of discernment.]

http://www.christian-witness.org/not_in_pubs/joyce.html

The best way to understand that verse and the few others like it is to know that by judging others, you prove that you have the truth and have no excuse. You then will be judged accordingly.

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Romans 1:18-19 says, "The wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who hold the truth in unrighteousness, because that which may be known of God is manifest in them."...

Romans 2:1 says, ..."Therefore, thou art inexcusable, O man,"

Romans 2:14 says, "The Gentiles, who have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law."

"The phrase "O man" (cf. Rom. 2:3; 9:20) is a general reference to any moralist who thinks he's exempt from judgment because he hasn't sunk to idolatry, homosexuality, or any other reprobate activity.

"Whosoever thou art that judgest" (Rom. 2:1) indicates that the moralist knew God's standards since he applied them to someone else. Anyone who sits in the seat of moral judgment and condemns others for their sin proves that he himself is inexcusable. Romans 1:32 says that even pagans know "the judgment of God, that they who commit such things are worthy of death." Even pagans know what is right and wrong. The moralist is like a judge who condemns a criminal by applying the law--by doing so he makes himself responsible to keep that same law if he's going to sit in judgment on others

Read the whole thing here. http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg45-17.htm

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Dave

 

[Shinto]

And you don't feel that the type of judgement you are excercizing is the judgement of the moralist?

Or to put it another way, you feel that those who are confident they are right should judge and then God judges them accordingly, but they don't have to be afraid of that because they are right and unhypocritally blameless.

It seems to me that the thrust of what Jesus was saying though is that by not judging we escape judgement ourselves. Thus, the goal is to escape judgement, not seek it out confidently. Nor was it the case that we were advised to judge people for things for which we ourselves are blameless.

Jesus didn't say "Let him who is without the sin of prostitution throw the first stone". Just those who were without sin in general.

Surely we have to make judgements, but to judge others is to focus on the sinner and not the sin.

Moreover, to rationalize the use of violent coercive control on others on the grounds that their choices harm us in some theoretical social sense is to disobey Jesus injunctions against the resistance of evil.

 

[bibleberean]

The bible tells us to judge and to judge righteously. It never tells us to tolerate immoral practices or that doctrine is not important.

Every hypocrite uses the "He who is free from sin" quote to blast and judge those who say that Christians are not to judge doctrine the fruit of others or speak against immorality.

The fact is Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to "go and sin no more".

When Jesus said "cast the first stone" He meant to literally put her to death.

He never said that we could not call sin for what it is.

John the Baptist would not be welcome in the assemblies of those who claim it is not our job to preach against sin.

Luke 3:7 Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

Luke 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

Can you hear todays gutless Christian respond to John's candid approach?

"Oh great, people come to you to be baptized and all you can do is call them snakes! Shame on you! When you are "perfect" then you can tell people to repent but you don't have to call them names to do it!"

"Focus on love John! You aren't going to get people to repent by beating them over the head with the truth!"

The church today is "luke warm".

Revelation 3:14-17 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

Butter wouldn't melt in the mouth of todays Disneyland Christian.