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Ed Hassertt Comes Clean

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Ed Hassertt Comes Clean

Ed Hassertt Comes Clean

Recently, on Pret Cosmos, Ed Hassertt, has posted the following:

The only times I don’t like what I see in the mirror is when I am defending preterism, or talking with preterists. I wonder why that is?

Preterism tends to be filled with mavericks who do their own thing, walk away from any authority, and want to make their own permanent mark on the church. There is no real community, just a whole bunch of bandwagons that people are constantly jumping on and jumping off. The movement is in serious trouble. I have been a major contributor to that trouble over the years. I must ask God’s forgiveness for those I have led astray over the years.

I admit I am just as much to blame. In real life I work with disadvantaged youth, I tutor inner city families both parents and kids in their school subjects, I speak at local charities on the topic of disability, I am loved and respected. People often talk to me about how nice, caring and loving I am here in this community and other places I have lived. I am always described as a “nice guy.†But since I became involved in the online preterist community I have been sucked in by the poison of many in the environment and argue, curse, kick, scream, howl, just to try to make a few theological points. Is it really worth it.

That is why church is never meant to be an absent-focused endeavor. Most non-preterists who have an online presence are also very active in their local churches, local charities an community events. Most preterists who have an online presence have little spiritual exercise outside of that presence.

To me it seems preterism has become a convenient theology for those who want to have a “biblical†excuse to leave the oversight and authority of a local church, and want to be on their own. It also seems to be the attracting option for a lot of people with weird, crazy and novel theories about scripture that they just adapt to preterism to get their voice heard somewhere.

My focus on preterism has always been to see preterism as part of the Reformation tradition of Reformed and Lutheran theologies. The problem is I just can’t make that square peg fit into that round hole anymore. My efforts to do so make me a jerk. The harder I hammer my mind and scripture to make it fit, the worse it all became.

In the end, this week, my anger boiled over at people so willing to discuss the finer details of an imaginary resurrection theory, but critical of the actual ministry I have to real people, on the ground…not because tis unscriptural, but because it does not meet some am-made criteria they dreamed up. I always prided myself on being a preterist because preterists followed scripture. The past couple years of novel theories, strange books, and radical departures, as well as the condemnation of others with no scriptural backing, has made me question that tag line considerably.

But in the end, it is not because of anyone else that I can no longer be a preterist, it is because when I look at my character as a preterist, I am ashamed. Preterism has turned me from a loving, caring pastor of real churches just a few years ago, into a guy who defends imaginary internet theological territory with blood. We often defend the fiercest the theory we doubt he most.

There are so many great Christians in preterism, like Dave Green, Dorothy, Alan Bondar, Wanda Short, Larry Siegle etc., but I am not a good Christian as a preterist. Preterist theology cut me free from real fellowship, from real oversight, from real accountability. When everything is past, anything goes for the future.

Am I marching off to become an anti-preterist crusader? Absolutely not. I am marching off to be a minister to those in need and to stop quibbling over time texts in the New Testament. I am returning to the confessional church for my spiritual health and well-being, not to condemn others for their choices. In the end preterism rings as untrue for me because I cannot reconcile key scriptural concepts with preterism any longer. I always had my doubts but figured I would work them out eventually. After ten years I realize those doubts are gaping and no amount of study is going to close them for me. What started my doubts were my own behavior on preterism, and the real lack of real-world application in the preterist community. What led to my imminent departure was my being unable to answer questions about preterist theology I have had for a decade. I do not view other preterists as evil, I just no longer view myself as a preterist.

I love you guys dearly, I just cannot find the real-world application of scripture in the preterist community any more (with a few exceptions, Wanda does amazing charity work, etc.).

The final analysis is that I cannot reconcile scripture with the preterist views of the resurrection, or biblical hope, and I cannot reconcile preterist practice with the community scripture calls us to be.

God bless all of you my friends.

Phil 2:16

Dr. Edward J. Hassertt, Jr.
 
Ed Hassertt Comes Clean


[SAM] Ed wrote a few of us an email before this post that is more or less what this post on Pret Cosmos says. I wrote back to Ed my heartfelt response. The final line, “The final analysis is that I cannot reconcile scripture with the preterist views of the resurrection, or biblical hope, and I cannot reconcile preterist practice with the community scripture calls us to be.â€

Dr. Talbot passes on his encouragement as well to Ed. My heart humbly rejoices. My soul is encouraged. What strife may the Lord cause to cease between us this past year……Praise His Name.

Ed has also given me permission to print the “gist†of his email:

“First I must apologize for all the abuse I have laid at the feet of all of you over the years. I am sending this to you Sam, Jason, Dee Dee, pass it along to PaulT as well, I do not have an email address for him. I am truly convinced that the person argues and defends the harshest the position he doubts in himself. The more I doubted preterism, the stronger and more violently I defended it. And some of you were the unwitting targets of that doubt in my mind. I ask for you forgiveness and for you to read this email and let me know any thoughts or suggestions you may have.

I have been writing this letter for a while now, praying about it, looking for the courage to send it. the bottom line in all this is, I have discovered I cannot be both a Christian and a preterist, some may be able to, but preterism has, in the past ten years I have been one, turned me from a loving, caring pastor, into an outright ass. Being involved in ministry again has made this all too clear to me. Preterists don’t judge by scripture, but by arbitrary feelings and man-made rules.

Please pass on my apologies to Dr. Talbot. He became a symbol that was easy to attack, but he did not deserve my vitriol any more than the rest of you did.

Ok, my eyes are beginning to open.

It seems to me there must be something inherently wrong with preterism.

1) I am a nice guy in person, have a lot of friends, people enjoy being around me. But when I am a preterist I am an argumentative, abusive ass.

2) Preterist are constantly coming up with new, novel, ridiculous speculations about theology that is just absurd. Are we to genuinely believe that every Christian before us was just plain stupid?

3) Preterism, in my opinion, leads to a belief that God is no longer working and ultimately is really a theology of deism…trying to justify a deistic view of the world by scripture, removing the wonder, miracle, and hope from life.

4) The whole body of scripture is eschatological, in that at each point in history God provides a hope for the future. In preterism, all hope is gone and this is a pretty pathetic world in which to have no hope!

5) Time texts are everything and preterism never gets beyond discussing and proving time texts. There is a lot more to knowing god than some time texts.

6) There is no praxis. Most preterists, including myself, avoid churches and fellowship and accept no authority over them whatsoever. It is a movement of radical individualists who want to shed any obligation to the past saints who have gone before us, or the physical church today.

7) For me when “faith†is only online, in chat rooms, and always about speculating about new theological developments, and has no real impact on our lives in building God’s Kingdom in the real world I must question it.

8) As I am back in ministry myself I see how lacking preterism is addressing the real concerns of the world around us.

I have come at my doubts about preterism through seeing the character it produces in me as well as the real lack of Christian living among its adherents.

I cannot escape the time texts, but have always just kind of brushed over the resurrection aspect because I couldn’t grasp how the resurrection could be so misunderstood by everyone. Resurrection, by common sense means raising of a body, not regeneration of a spirit alone. So those doubts have gone from a whisper to a scream because of my new doubts.

In my studies most recently I have seen much more scriptural support for postmillennial partial preterism than the full preterism I have been defending for a decade.â€

[SAM] As one can see, I believe that Ed’s heart is amazingly candid, frank, and genuine. I trust his words here. This is the “articulate Ed Hassertt†that I knew. The LORD be with you, Ed Hassertt……..
 
For anyone that doesn't know who these people are, they are two of the writers from:


House Divided: Bridging the Gap in Reformed Eschatology - A Preterist Response to When Shall These Things Be?

by Samuel Frost, Edward Hassertt, Michael Sullivan and David Green

http://www.amazon.com/House-Divided...0087/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1312021203&sr=8-9


A book which is a response to:

When Shall These Things Be?: A Reformed Response to Hyper-Preterism
by Keith A. Mathison (Editor)

http://www.amazon.com/When-Shall-Th...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1312023573&sr=1-1


So that appears to be two of them (Samuel Frost, Edward Hassertt) which have now abandoned full preterism.
 
zinc, you dont believe in the lord. so why would you attack preterism(full or partial) and also while i cant comment on ed as i didnt follow him but i can see what he says on eschatology and chat room faith(one merely has too look here) its sad the end times is often the most heated and yet that isnt what God wants.

yes, there's more then to the walk then forums. this is by no means attack anyones faith that posts here, but if you have ever moderated here or any other christian forum you will know what i am saying is the truth.


so zinc, i dont get it. why are you as an athiest concerned with christian eschatology. you want to know that there is hope for you and men still?
 
so zinc, i dont get it. why are you as an athiest concerned with christian eschatology. you want to know that there is hope for you and men still?

jasoncran, non-Christians aren't atheists. Two different things. Some of them are atheists, sure. But a non-Christian does not automatically mean an atheist.

I just got interested in Christian eschatology as a "skeptical" issue. That is, we can look at "New Testament" prophecy as one piece of evidence as to whether the Christian religion is likely to be true or false.

Actually, non-Christians have been interested in this issue for hundreds of years.
 
i maybe recall incorrectly you stating that you were an athiest.

still why debate continiously with the preterism camp and correct them if you neither believe in God and his son? in essence what i am getting at isnt that you cant but why? you dont believe in God and the cross so which we believe isnt going to affect you in your mind. eschatology has little to do with how christians vote. hitch and i seldom agree yet when it comes to voting i can say that i would vote the same as he does.
 
why debate continiously with the preterism camp and correct them


I have no interest in "correcting" preterists. But taking part in discussion forums is, I would say, part of knowing the subject area. It lets you know the typical arguments that are used, and the various different positions that are taken.
 
I have no interest in "correcting" preterists. But taking part in discussion forums is, I would say, part of knowing the subject area. It lets you know the typical arguments that are used, and the various different positions that are taken.
still i find it odd that a unbeliever would do that but i can see why if said prophecies fail why one maynot buy into christiainity. ironically part of the reasons why i saw the jws are soo cultish and wrong they did many of that stuff. i was raised to think that 2000 was it and never go to college and so on, yets its 2011 and i wonder how many left them when 2000 hit. i left that stuff in 1991 when i joined the army.
 
first time here but then agian look at the dumb hollywood movies based on revalation. ie dogma and also others that are soo far off that they dont even know that the book is about. revalation to them is a book of fear when its not if one is a beleiver but of hope.

it revalation was done in context it wouldnt be entairnment but a good bible sermon.
 
Preterism has turned me from a loving, caring pastor of real churches just a few years ago, into a guy who defends imaginary internet theological territory with blood. We often defend the fiercest the theory we doubt he most.

He speaks only for himself. Preterism isn't his problem, just as Futurism wasn't mine when I was going through a rough spell with my faith. It's a shame when ANY doctrine supplants the spirit of God in a person's life.

Not that an unbeliever would know that, of course. :shrug
 
If he is a full preterist then yeah, he's going to run into some spiritual problems.:twocents
I don't know how extreme his views are; I've never heard of the guy before today.:shrug
 
Never heard of him either. Sounds like an angry person with some axe to grind bc of something lousy in his life.

Just like some are angry against preterists for some reason! Probably bc our scholars are smarter than theirs!

Try planet preterist.com, eschatology.org, newjerusalemcommunity.net, sovereign gracepreterism- just to name a few good preterist sites.
 
Just like some are angry against preterists for some reason! Probably bc our scholars are smarter than theirs!

I have never heard of any full preterist "scholars" today.

Partial preterism has some scholars on its side: e.g. NT Wright and RT France.

Full preterism appears more of a fundamentalist movement than anything "scholarly". It's probably on the same sort of level as the Jehovah's Witnesses. That is, it's very fringe and often considered heretical.
 
It's a shame when ANY doctrine supplants the spirit of God in a person's life.

Not that an unbeliever would know that, of course. :shrug

Well I certainly know how conservative Christians can behave when it comes to their dogma.
 
from "Ed Hassett"
That is why church is never meant to be an absent-focused endeavor. Most non-preterists who have an online presence are also very active in their local churches, local charities an community events. Most preterists who have an online presence have little spiritual exercise outside of that presence.
What did I tell ya? Ed H. developed a stereotyping of Preterists which he uses as an excuse for his lack of recognition for his charitable doings.

First, many non-preterists do not attend church as he thinks either. Most of preterist friends & family attend churches that do not preach about end-times. Who wants to support a church for nonsense teaching? I won't.
And preterists probably beat non-preterists when it comes local charities & community events too. Maybe it's bc they know that "true religion" before God is helping the poor & less fortunate & keeping oneself unspotted from the world. (See James 1:27).
But Ed wants to make a big show in front of men- just like the Pharisees in Jesus days - that wanted all the works that they did to be praised by men in public.
Surely Ed should realize his rewards from God in private. But no, he doesn't even know the "meat" of the faith!
He needs prayer that God will heal his heart from whatever is troubling him & making him find an easy target among fellow Christians publicly.

The tongue can certainly be a world of & seed of evil. Let's hope he gets healed before he reaps what he is sowing against!

God (and His Bible) will not be mocked, Ed!
 
And a leftie, too? Who would've figured. :screwloose

What did you just say?

Preterism has turned me from a loving, caring pastor of real churches just a few years ago, into a guy who defends imaginary internet theological territory with blood. We often defend the fiercest the theory we doubt he most.
...It's a shame when ANY doctrine supplants the spirit of God in a person's life....


Funny that someone can say that and then in the very next post launch a personal attack against someone. (Over something that is not even true.)

You gotta love some Christians. :lol
 
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