Effects of Satanism

[Veritas]

Knifed 666 times each and eaten

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... 692637.ece

 

[Pogo]

UGH!!!

 

[platos_cave]

Interesting propaganda intended on smearing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

One could just as easily point out atrocities committed by Christians in an attempt to smear all Christians, but that wouldn't be a valid criticism now would it?

 

[Paidion]

Not quite equivalent, Plato.

What percentage of Satanists and Wiccans carry out such atrocities? By contrast, what percentage of Christians do so?

 

[platos_cave]

Not quite equivalent, Plato.

What percentage of Satanists and Wiccans carry out such atrocities? By contrast, what percentage of Christians do so?

Do you have a figure?

 

[Paidion]

I don't have a figure, but I have encountered many reports of atrocities among Wiccans in our day.

By contrast, I have not even once seen or heard a story about a modern Christian who sacrificed a woman or a child to God, or who had participated in cannibalism.

 

[Tomalomi]

Interesting propaganda intended on smearing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

One could just as easily point out atrocities committed by Christians in an attempt to smear all Christians, but that wouldn't be a valid criticism now would it?

First of all, I am going to say that the story is probably false, because I have never trusted The Sun as being a reliable source.

You're comment is ridiculous, because they were supposedly doing the act while doing their worship.

 

[therealsuperman64]

There are many atrocities committed by "Christians" both in the past and modern day but these acts were carried out in ignorance of the scriptures and of God's will. Anyone who reads and studys their Bible knows that these acts were not influenced or supported by God in any way. And if you know anything about Satan, I wouldn't doubt that Satanists are having human sacrifices and drinking blood at this very moment. Remember both Christianity and Satanism are characterized by their leaders.

 

[platos_cave]

I don't have a figure, but I have encountered many reports of atrocities among Wiccans in our day. By contrast, I have not even once seen or heard a story about a modern Christian who sacrificed a woman or a child to God, or who had participated in cannibalism.

Interesting.

1) Make a blanket statement.
2) Don't support ones statement with any facts.
3) Shift the goalposts
4) Think one has made a valid point.

I'm sure that somewhere in this process of reasoning something is wrong, but I just can't figure it out... :smt017

The point was that making blanket generalisations about an ambiguous belief system like "Satanism" is a noted fallacy.

 

[platos_cave]

You're comment is ridiculous, because they were supposedly doing the act while doing their worship.

What does that have to do with what I've said?

There are many atrocities committed by "Christians" both in the past and modern day but these acts were carried out in ignorance of the scriptures and of God's will.

According to you.

Anyone who reads and studys their Bible knows that these acts were not influenced or supported by God in any way.

Really? I guess nowhere in the Bible is God influencing or supporting the death of people...please.

And if you know anything about Satan, I wouldn't doubt that Satanists are having human sacrifices and drinking blood at this very moment. Remember both Christianity and Satanism are characterized by their leaders.

Propagandized smear tactics, fear-mongering and guilt by association. Bleh.

 

[therealsuperman64]

platos_cave why do you have to be so damn ignorant? God has never supported death, death is caused by sin so by saying God supports death, you're saying God supports sin which is about the dumbest statement in the world. Remember also that Satan was the first being to sin and start a rebellion against God, in fact he started the first propaganda. Satanism doesn't have it's own typical religion. Satanism is any religion that can pull us away from Jesus Christ which includes your pagans, athiest, muslims, jews, and the recent on going corruption within the Christian church. Now tell me all that is just propagandized smear tactics. Next time you log on to this forum bring a Bible with you so don't make a fool out of yourself.

 

[Gabe]

Something that people very often misunderstand about Christianity is the fact that the OT consists mainly of Gods commands to the ancient Jews and His dealings with them. The New Testament (and more specifically the four Gospels of Christ) are what Christians base their moral codes upon and within those pages we are told to 'not pick up the sword' to 'turn the other cheek' and 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you' etc. It forbids any sort of violence against anyone.

As for what Satanists or Devil worshippers morally believe, I do not know and so I cannot comment, does anyone know if they have any 'Commandments' or anything similar that they have to obey?

 

[turnorburn]

You haven't seen anything new, these people are no worse than we are, if you want to see people slain in a grotesque manner read Foxes Book Of Martyrs, it will make these Satanists look like Boy Scouts. :smt045

 

[platos_cave]

platos_cave why do you have to be so damn ignorant?

Why do you have to be so insulting? Is this some new form of argumentation in which it is considered valid to insult someone because you disagree with them? I must have missed the Bible verse which says "verily and I say unto you, if your debate opponent says something you don't like, call him ignorant".

God has never supported death, death is caused by sin so by saying God supports death, you're saying God supports sin which is about the dumbest statement in the world.

And how is that even remotely a valid rebuttal?

"Preposterous I say!" Isn't an argument, it's a non-argument.

Is there nowhere in the Bible in which God supports or causes the death of people?

Remember also that Satan was the first being to sin and start a rebellion against God, in fact he started the first propaganda. Satanism doesn't have it's own typical religion. Satanism is any religion that can pull us away from Jesus Christ which includes your pagans, athiest, muslims, jews, and the recent on going corruption within the Christian church. Now tell me all that is just propagandized smear tactics. Next time you log on to this forum bring a Bible with you so don't make a fool out of yourself.

So basically anyone you decide arbitrarily is a Satanist. Don't shift the issue with stupid red herrings about Satan.

 

[turnorburn]

A Satanist can pose as anybody they please, in order to identify one you would need to have spiritual discernment. :smt045

 

[Veritas]

Interesting propaganda intended on smearing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.

One could just as easily point out atrocities committed by Christians in an attempt to smear all Christians, but that wouldn't be a valid criticism now would it?

Or simply look at the core belief of each and see if the actions either coincide with teachings or not.

Or start going to satanist temples/rituals. Then go to Christian churches/groups to get a first hand comparison .

 

[platos_cave]

Or simply look at the core belief of each and see if the actions either coincide with teachings or not.

That doesn't matter since anyone, regardless of their core beliefs, is capable of committing atrocities.

Or start going to satanist temples/rituals. Then go to Christian churches/groups to get a first hand comparison .

Depends on the satanist, which was my point.

 

[Veritas]

Or simply look at the core belief of each and see if the actions either coincide with teachings or not.

That doesn't matter since anyone, regardless of their core beliefs, is capable of committing atrocities.

I'm going to have to disagree with you about core beliefs not mattering. It is true anyone is capable of committing atrocities, but your starting point will make a difference. It is less likely you will commit an atrocity if it is against your core belief system than if it is part of it.

Or start going to satanist temples/rituals. Then go to Christian churches/groups to get a first hand comparison .

Depends on the satanist, which was my point.

And the core beliefs? It just depends on how far the individual will act out those core beliefs. Its a good thing many satanists don't live completely true to satanic beliefs.

Conversely, It's a bad thing when Christians do not live completely true to Christ.

 

[Gabe]

Or simply look at the core belief of each and see if the actions either coincide with teachings or not.

That doesn't matter since anyone, regardless of their core beliefs, is capable of committing atrocities.

I'm going to have to disagree with you about core beliefs not mattering. It is true anyone is capable of committing atrocities, but your starting point will make a difference. It is less likely you will commit an atrocity if it is against your core belief system than if it is part of it.

[quote="platos_cave":1iohnfv8]

Or start going to satanist temples/rituals. Then go to Christian churches/groups to get a first hand comparison .

Depends on the satanist, which was my point.

And the core beliefs? It just depends on how far the individual will act out those core beliefs. Its a good thing many satanists don't live completely true to satanic beliefs.

Conversely, It's a bad thing when Christians do not live completely true to Christ.[/quote:1iohnfv8]

Core beliefs are very important to this debate. Yes, it is true that all individuals are capable of committing the act of murder but the likelihood of actually doing so is increased ten-fold if one believes that there is nothing wrong with the act.

For example: A Christian is more likely to be a drinker than a Muslim because alcohol is forbidden in Islam while most Christians on the other hand will at least consume a small amount on Sundays.

Btw, do the core beliefs of Satanism or devil worship advocate harming another human being?

 

[platos_cave]

Btw, do the core beliefs of satanism or devil worship advocate harming another human being???

Not standard Laveyan Satanism or Wiccan.