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Eternal Life is Promised to The Elect

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titus 1:



1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;



God has before the Foundation of The world, promised eternal Life to Jesus christ and to His seed.





This Life is and was and always has been in Jesus christ and promised to His seed in Him..



1 jn 5:



10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.



The record..greek:



martyria:

1) a testifying

a) the office committed to the prophets of testifying concerning future events

2) what one testifies, testimony, i.e. before a judge



This testimony is regarding the gospel eternal purpose paul refers to in 2 tim 1:



8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.



This purpose and grace given in Jesus christ [Gods Son] is pertaining to Eternal Life..





Because of our election in Jesus christ, we [the elect] have been given eternal life..This Life is in Gods Son and we too in Him as seed..



This ensures in time, that all the seed will actually partake of this Life eternal..



This means we are heirs of salvation..heb 1:



14Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?



rom 8:



17And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together



When were the children Joint heirs with Jesus christ..



Lets Look at heb 2:



13And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;



The children were given to Jesus christ before they and he took on flesh and blood..when did the children take on flesh and blood ?



This was in adam..the children began their physical lives in flesh and blood as when they stood in adam in the beginning..



Notice it says the children as in many and not child as in one..the point is all the election of grace were in the Loins of adam in His flesh and blood..and conversley so..all the election of grace was in The Lord Jesus christ when he took on flesh and blood, not all flesh and blood but a certain segment..The seed of abraham heb 2:



16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham



This is important to follow my presentation..because it was not all of abrahams seed in viewbut the children of promise were heirs of heaven



Look at heb 11:



8By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

9By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:



You see, heirs of the same promise, what promise ? remember titus 1:



2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;



Its the promise of eternal life , a eternal Inheritance that abraham Isaach and Jacob were heirs of and Looked for..look here:



vs 10 heb 11:



10For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.



vs



13These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.



Not recieving the promises, but died in faith, belieivng in a eternal inheritance, eternal life as a promise..they confessed they were strangers and pilgrims of the earth, this indicates too that the promises they embraced from God was not of this earth..



vs



14For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.



They sought a country..not of this world, not a earthly inheritence..



but vs



15And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.

16But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.



They sought a heavenly country.. this is eternal Life..This is what God promised abrahams seed..what seed ?



Gal 3:



16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.



This seed.. as i began, the elect have been given and promised eternal life, for this promise is given to Jesus christ and His seed in Him..



You see abraham, isaach and Jacob..never had eternal life offered to them..for their refusal or acceptance..but it had been revealed to them as it was to our Father abraham, we have been given a eternal inheritance

by promise..Gods promise..that cannot Lie..and His elect in all generations come to experience this eternal life in this life by their newbirth..



It is a lie and deception of the devil today..to preach that eternal life is offered to all people every where and now its up to them to take it or refuse it..This teaching underminds and dishonors The promises of God, for He promised Eternal Life to a seed..and God cannot lie..Jesus christ is that seed as gal 3 16 reveals..and the church, in him by election, He as their head..



True God exalting preaching is to proclaim eternal life is given to a seed, this eternal life belongs to all who have been elected in The Son of God.before the world began..



1 jn 5:



11And this is the record[testimony], that God hath given[ not offered] to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. [by election]
 
May I point out that what you say is true, that those elected are saved. These are the elect of grace.

This is not to be confused with the elect of race to which went the Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant, etc. In this instance, it is possible to be elected of God and have all the physical blessings and yet a child of hell. However, the elect of race was a type and proclamation of the coming Kingdom of God here on Earth. However, the elect of grace will be the only ones eternally to receive salvation.

People mistakenly believe that if some of the Israelites did not believe, that they are cut off and are not true Israelites (misquoting Paul in Romans 9). No, they are true Israelites and have the earthly promises, but in due time the earthly as we know it will be done away with and only those of grace remain. But in the meantime, that does not mean that they are cut off now from the birthright promises.
 
tim_from_pa said:
May I point out that what you say is true, that those elected are saved. These are the elect of grace.

This is not to be confused with the elect of race to which went the Abrahamic Covenant, Davidic Covenant, etc. In this instance, it is possible to be elected of God and have all the physical blessings and yet a child of hell. However, the elect of race was a type and proclamation of the coming Kingdom of God here on Earth. However, the elect of grace will be the only ones eternally to receive salvation.

People mistakenly believe that if some of the Israelites did not believe, that they are cut off and are not true Israelites (misquoting Paul in Romans 9). No, they are true Israelites and have the earthly promises, but in due time the earthly as we know it will be done away with and only those of grace remain. But in the meantime, that does not mean that they are cut off now from the birthright promises.

You are teaching false too..

True Israelites are spiritual..

rom 2:

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
I'm going to answer you on the other forum where you posted the same thing. It's friendlier territory for me there. :-D
 
Hi 57,

I'm confused by your post.

In one place, you seem to be saying, like Calvin, that some, if not all (I'm confused about which applies here as well), are predestined before the world began to our fates.

Posted by beloved57...
True God exalting preaching is to proclaim eternal life is given to a seed, this eternal life belongs to all who have been elected in The Son of God.before the world began..

Then, elsewhere, you seem to be saying that WE are in control over our fates.

Posted by beloved57...
..Gods promise..that cannot Lie..and His elect in all generations come to experience this eternal life in this life by their newbirth..

If our destination has already been predetermined, then how can a "newbirth" be a factor?

It seems to me that one would HAVE to exclude the other!

In Christ,

Pogo
 
tim_from_pa said:
I'm going to answer you on the other forum where you posted the same thing. It's friendlier territory for me there. :-D
What other forum? tim or 57 can you send me a link by PM?
 
mondar said:
tim_from_pa said:
I'm going to answer you on the other forum where you posted the same thing. It's friendlier territory for me there. :-D
What other forum? tim or 57 can you send me a link by PM?

Never mind. I joined that person over there and things got a little out of control. I believe his account was disabled. If I remember correctly, he was from a Preterist position which the other forum claims as false doctrine.
 
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