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Every word of God is pure: Really?

AVBunyan

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Proverbs 30:5 says: Every word of God is pure:
A few questions:

1. What is the verse referring to?
2. If it is referring to the written word then is every word in your version pure?
3. If not then where do you go to get the pure words Prov. 30:5 is referring to?

God bless
 
AVBunyan said:
Proverbs 30:5 says: Every word of God is pure:
A few questions:

1. What is the verse referring to?
2. If it is referring to the written word then is every word in your version pure?
3. If not then where do you go to get the pure words Prov. 30:5 is referring to?

God bless

The TR, the 4th edition by Beza. :wink:

Good to see you brother.
 
Hi JM - good to chat with you

Just dawned on me - most, if not all, modern versions change the word "pure" to "flawless". What a joke!

A septic tank can be flawless but not pure.

But honestly, nobody cares anymore - any old version will do. The world's religion is like Burger King - "You can have it your way!"

And since most of professing Christainity is unregenerate anyway they wouldn't notice the differences or even care.

God bless ya brother
 
AVBunyan, just curious if you knew, but check, 2 Tim. 3:17 Some KJV Bibles (I believe even a few 1611's) say thoroughly instead of throughly. You want it to say throughly. Because Throughly means to completely (clean, whatever) something inside and out, thoroughly only applies to one area, not all.

I am a 1611'er myself. :)
 
J, tell me more about this fourth edition TR. :angel:

AV, hello.

A septic tank can be flawless but not pure.
LOL

That reminds me of something Adrian Rogers said during one of his radio sermons:

"You can't purify the water by painting the pump."

Kind of sounds like what some of the newer translations are doing, heh? :wink:
 
Vic,

“The King James Version is a variety of the Textus Receptus. The translators that produced the King James Version relied mainly, it seems, on the later editions of Beza's Greek New Testament, especially his 4th edition (1588-9). But also they frequently consulted the editions of Erasmus and Stephanus and the Complutensian Polyglot. According to Scrivener (1884), out of the 252 passages in which these sources differ sufficiently to affect the English rendering, the King James Version agrees with Beza against Stephanus 113 times, with Stephanus against Beza 59 times, and 80 times with Erasmus, or the Complutensian, or the Latin Vulgate against Beza and Stephanus. HENCE THE KING JAMES VERSION OUGHT TO BE REGARDED NOT MERELY AS A TRANSLATION OF THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS BUT ALSO AS AN INDEPENDENT VARIETY OF THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS....

“BUT WHAT DO WE DO IN THESE FEW PLACES IN WHICH THE SEVERAL EDITIONS OF THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS DISAGREE WITH ONE ANOTHER? WHICH TEXT DO WE FOLLOW? THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS EASY. WE ARE GUIDED BY THE COMMON FAITH. HENCE WE FAVOR THAT FORM OF THE TEXTUS RECEPTUS UPON WHICH MORE THAN ANY OTHER GOD, WORKING PROVIDENTIALLY, HAS PLACED THE STAMP OF HIS APPROVAL, NAMELY, THE KING JAMES VERSION, OR, MORE PRECISELY, THE GREEK TEXT UNDERLYING THE KING JAMES VERSION. This text was published in 1881 by the Cambridge University Press under the editorship of Dr. Scrivener, and there have been eight reprints, the latest being in 1949 [DWC: It has since been republished by the Trinitarian Bible Society of London, England, and the Dean Burgon Society of Collingswood, New Jersey.] We ought to be grateful that in the providence of God the best form of the Textus Receptus is still available to believing Bible students†(Edward F. Hills, The King James Version Defended, 4th edition, pp. 220, 223).
 
Alannah said:
AVBunyan, just curious if you knew, but check, 2 Tim. 3:17 Some KJV Bibles (I believe even a few 1611's) say thoroughly instead of throughly. You want it to say throughly. Because Throughly means to completely (clean, whatever) something inside and out, thoroughly only applies to one area, not all.

I am a 1611'er myself. :)
You are right - I hold to throughly for the reason you mentioned - And yes some publishers of KJV's do take some liberties like putting in Joshua for Jesus in Acts 7:45.

Hey Alnnah - Good to see another Av1611 man - very rare these days.

God bless
 
You mean woman.. :P

Now I didn't know the one in Acts, I'll have to check it out, thanks.
 
Until we are “enabled†by God’s Spirit to understand that God is The Absolute Sovereign Lord Of All Creation, past, present and future, that in fact ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY IS TRANSPIRING EXACTLY ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, we simply cannot and will not understand that God’s Word is all true. EVERY SINGLE WORD.

That is where our understanding is found insufficient, only those who have given God their WHOLE HEART and are led by GOD’S SPIRIT will have a full understanding of God’s Word and Truth in the here and now.

Only those who give God their whole hearts, put His will ahead of their own wants and desires, obey Him and turn away from SIN, will be enabled by God to understand His truth in a full way in the here and now.

Only those who OBEY GOD and STUDY HIS WORD with a HUMBLE, TEACHABLE HEART.

The majority will not figure it out. Their hearts are far from God. They are not listening to the Holy Spirit so they are listening to “the voice of reason†( the voice of False reason ) Satan. The ruler of this world until Christ’s return.


God is the author and creator of every single event, every cause and circumstance that allows men to “chooseâ€Â. He created all that is in the world from beginning to end. Every life, mind, thing on this planet. He is God Almighty!


Most of us have heard before that God is everywhere, what very few seem to realize is that God is everything! That’s right everything! Every atom, every molecule, every living thing! He is the Earth, Air, Water and Fire. The very elements themselves! He is the Earth and all things in it! The Bible says “ in Him we live and move and have our being.†God is the universe and much, much more. God is unlimited power and knowledge, wisdom and strength. He is all seeing and all knowing! God is phenomenal!!!!!!! We can barely even begin to comprehend His unfathomable glory! God is life itself! All life! Even us!!!


God is sovereign, we are all living creator designed lives that are so complex and intricate it is absolutely mind boggling. We can barely begin to understand the wisdom and knowledge God has to create a human being, a life, a living soul. Imagine how much intelligence, compassion, wisdom and love it must have taken to create you, your family, your life. Every thought you ever had, every dream, wish, hope, fear, prayer. Every breath you will ever take, every drop of water, every bite of food. Every tear, every heartache. Every single thing. All of it. No random chance, no luck. All planned out, all from God. Your heavenly Father.

Everything is transpiring according to His will. All of human history. Everything! There is not one atom or molecule out of place.


Now…until we begin to understand such things and realize that GOD IS THE AUTHOR AND CREATOR OF EVERYTHING IN EXISTENCE, THAT GOD IS THE AUTHOR OF EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN we will fail to comprehend that God gave us our Bibles just the way they are….

TO TEST OUR HEARTS!!!!!!!!!!




Here is the slippery slope that THE VAST MAJORITY ARE SLIDING ON…..if we do not believe that GOD‘S WORD IS TRUE, if we disagree with even so much as ONE SINGLE SCRIPTURE, we are DISAGREEING WITH GOD and to top it all off, WE ARE AGREEING WITH SATAN that GOD’S WORD isn’t TRUE and CANNOT BE TRUSTED.

If we “disagree†with EVEN ONE SCRIPTURE…we will soon be found disagreeing with MANY SCRIPTURES!!!


ALL THE SIN, DEATH, SUFFERING AND SEPERATION FROM GOD IN THIS WORLD ARE THE RESULT OF ONE ACT OF DISOBEDIENCE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN!

JUST ONE!!!!!!!


There are NO contradictions in THE BIBLE. NONE.

THE ONLY CONTRADICTIONS ARE IN THE MINDS OF MEN!!!

God is Absolutely Sovereign and ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY IS TRANSPIRING ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.


The Bible is All True, every single word. It is often mistranslated, misquoted, misinterpreted and misunderstood, nevertheless…..EVERY WORD IS TRUE!!!


God is the Creator of every single mind, thought and thing in existence. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN.


God gave us our Bibles just the way they are to TEST OUR HEARTS!!!


If you really want to know the truth and are asking God for help, He will soon have you on the right track! Here is what I mean…..!


The Holy Bible is translated from the original Greek and Hebrew Manuscripts. Most Bibles such as The King James Edition, The American Standard Edition, and The New International Version are good translations. If you know a bit about languages you can appreciate that some meanings are hard to convey when translating between languages. That is the key to fully understanding the Bible. The so called contradictions vanish when you examine the original Greek and Hebrew Manuscripts and languages.


Now read this scripture, “ Fear of the Lord is the Beginning of Knowledgeâ€Â. If you haven’t studied the Bible much, you are probably a little disconcerted, not too sure what to think. The Bible refers to “Fear of the Lord†many times. When you learn that the word Fear in “The Greek Manuscripts†means “Reverent Awe†it gives the scripture a whole new meaning! Read it now, “Reverent Awe of the Lord is the Beginning of Knowledgeâ€Â.


When you come to realize Who and What God is, that He is all things, EVERYTHING, you will experience Reverent ( jaw dropping ) Awe!!! The scripture is true! We aren’t supposed to be afraid of God, we are to have a healthy respect, like a child should have for his or her Father! You can appreciate I’m sure, how much confusion can be caused by misunderstanding the meaning of that one word! That is why it is very important to ask God to help you understand His Word!

Ready for another example? This is the big one!

The word “Church†in “The Greek Manuscripts†means “Called Out One†or literally “Called Out One By God!†I pray you can appreciate how much confusion is being caused by misunderstanding the meaning of “that†one word!!! If this “offends†you, ( I’m Sorry ) do a little research and you will soon find out that IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!

The word Church appears in the Bible frequently. It is not referring to organized religion, or to buildings and cathedrals. It refers to “ Those Who Are Called Out By God!†Every time you come to the word Church in the Bible, realize it pertains to Those Who Believe in God and His Word, or to the Group of Believers!

People used to worship God and study His Word in their homes in Biblical Times. The Romans came up with the idea of corralling the Christians up into buildings so they could keep an eye on the followers of Christ!

Can you see why some religious organizations are far more concerned about providing an “motional experience†than they are about preaching the Truth of God’s Word?

If we are so blessed as to be ENABLED BY GOD to STUDY HIS WORD with a HUMBLE, TEACHABLE, HEART we will KNOW GOD’S TRUTH in a full way.

Otherwise…. we must take the slippery slope of CONFUSION and or, RELIGIOUS BABYLON. Or, to put it another way…we must TAKE THE LONG WAY HOME.


God bless!
 
AVBunyan said:
Proverbs 30:5 says: Every word of God is pure:
A few questions:

1. What is the verse referring to?
2. If it is referring to the written word then is every word in your version pure?
3. If not then where do you go to get the pure words Prov. 30:5 is referring to?

God bless

Hi Av,

When the bible is talking about the word of God it's talking about its meaning. And I have the parallel bible which has the KJV, the NIV and the NASB and the meaning is rarely if ever, changed. :)
 
Litebeam said:
There are NO contradictions in THE BIBLE. NONE.

THE ONLY CONTRADICTIONS ARE IN THE MINDS OF MEN!!!

God is Absolutely Sovereign and ALL OF HUMAN HISTORY IS TRANSPIRING ACCORDING TO HIS WILL.

The Bible is All True, every single word. It is often mistranslated, misquoted, misinterpreted and misunderstood, nevertheless…..EVERY WORD IS TRUE!!!

God is the Creator of every single mind, thought and thing in existence. HE IS THE AUTHOR OF EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN.

God gave us our Bibles just the way they are to TEST OUR HEARTS!!

Fundamentalism in a nutshell. :)
 
The word “Church†in “The Greek Manuscripts†means “Called Out One†or literally “Called Out One By God!†I pray you can appreciate how much confusion is being caused by misunderstanding the meaning of “that†one word!!! If this “offends†you, ( I’m Sorry ) do a little research and you will soon find out that IT IS TRUE!!!!!!!

The word Church appears in the Bible frequently. It is not referring to organized religion, or to buildings and cathedrals. It refers to “ Those Who Are Called Out By God!†Every time you come to the word Church in the Bible, realize it pertains to Those Who Believe in God and His Word, or to the Group of Believers!
Oh I'm not offended at all. I agree, sort of anyway. The word church is never used in the Greek. Even the "experts" aren't sure about the origin of this word. The Greek word used is ecclesia, or ekklesia and is literally translated as "assembly" or "congregation".

So when you see the word church in your Bibles, think congregation, the called out ones. ;-)
 
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