Evidence for God from the basics, if you care.

[GundamZero]

Physics

Any of you big physics buffs? Well even if you're not, you should still know of the Law of Entropy, or the Second Law of Thermodynamics. If you don't understand physics, you might hit yourself, reader be warned.

Now, this physical law states that there is dissipative nature to energy. You see, if I were to project a super charged atom into space, with no gravity or conservative system to retain potential energy, the atoms energy would begin to dissipate through it's conversion into kinetic energy. (Now, if you don't know, this is of course what produces light, energy from an excited atom is released in the form of a photon, a light particle, producing light, often in a visible spectrum.) eventually, the power in the atom would be gone, and after perhaps millions of years, the nuclear forces keeping that atom together would weaken, and the atom would be destroyed, and the energy, dissipated beyond recovery.

Physics students, remember PE1+KE1+PEe1=PE2+KE2+PEe2
and of course, E=MCsquared.

Any form of decay is base on this. When energy is not being conserved the way it was supposed to be, it can be transferred in violent and massive amounts. To see the evidence of this you need only take the example of an earthquake. Potential energy is force upon itself until tectonic plates can no longer conserve the energy, one is over come by the other, produce the transfer of kinetic energy we see as violent quakes. Storms begin when the transfer of kinetic energy through heat is transferred through highly charged particles we see that makes up air. Huge hurricanes occur, typhoons, tornados, monsoons.

Why does this happen? Well, now that you've stayed with me so long here is your reward. If we see the law of Entropy at work, then we know for an undeniable fact that at some point all that energy was at one time in it's original state. Eureka! That's the moment of creation! Don't you see? In a truly closed system that worked the way it was supposed to , energy was never transferred in such violent ways, so why does it happen now? Remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees as He was entering the city of Jerusalem that fateful last week? He said to them, "If they don't praise my name, even the rocks will cry out." Hello! Earthquakes? The system that God put in motion is broken because he isn't being praised in the manner that creation demands, needs. It's like a vitamin supplement, if you don't take it, you won't die of immediately, it will take time and wear and tear. Well, God is the essential vitamin of physics.

When Jesus performed physics, He wasn't really doing anything supernatural. People are supposed to have perfect health as long as the physics system God put in place is fully satisfied in all aspects of it. God is supposed to be able to walk on water because physics demands the will of God. God can calm a storm, because physics demands the will of God. Life demands faith by its very nature.

Now, this only explains the ramifications of nature destroying life. It doesn't fully explain why bad things happen to good people, but that deserves another post. I will say this until then though, it has to do with adding will along with a sort of metaphysical aspect to Entropy, if you will.

 

[Quath]

I see several problems with this.

1. In the example of the atom, it loses energy until it falls to the ground state. Once in the ground state, it stays an atom. The nuclear force does not weaken nor the electromagnetic force that keeps the electron in orbit. There is nothing that says this could not last forever (unless the universe results in too much stretching or a Big Crunch.)

2. The second law is just a statement of probability. But probability is a bad thing to argue on. For example, in a closed system and given infinite time, the system can reach any allowable state. A simple example is to put 3 atoms in a box in the lower left hand corner. This represents los entrophy. When they leave, the system has increased in entrophy. Given enough time, you will find these three atoms back in the corner randomly and entrophy will have decreased.

3. Entrophy is a "law" (more of a statement) of how this universe works. It does not state how universes are made. If entrophy laws happened outside of this universe, then God would not be possible since anything He does increases entrophy and He must have had an origin also.

Quath

 

[Heidi]

I see several problems with this.

1. In the example of the atom, it loses energy until it falls to the ground state. Once in the ground state, it stays an atom. The nuclear force does not weaken nor the electromagnetic force that keeps the electron in orbit. There is nothing that says this could not last forever (unless the universe results in too much stretching or a Big Crunch.)

2. The second law is just a statement of probability. But probability is a bad thing to argue on. For example, in a closed system and given infinite time, the system can reach any allowable state. A simple example is to put 3 atoms in a box in the lower left hand corner. This represents los entrophy. When they leave, the system has increased in entrophy. Given enough time, you will find these three atoms back in the corner randomly and entrophy will have decreased.

3. Entrophy is a "law" (more of a statement) of how this universe works. It does not state how universes are made. If entrophy laws happened outside of this universe, then God would not be possible since anything He does increases entrophy and He must have had an origin also.

Quath

The problem with your statements are that your knowledge of science is not omniscent so there will always be other variables that you have not understood or overlooked. For example, scientists didn't even know what an atom was until the had an electron microscope, nor did they know what a quark was until the last 30 eyears. But they've always been there. So what's smaller than a quark? :-? Since they can't see anything smaller right now, they claim there is nothing smaller. But once they invent a higher powered microscope, they'll change their minds. Scientists can only understand the seen, at least they think they do. But what don't realize at all, is that the unseen is far most vast then the seen. Once they understand that, they won't be as arrogant as they are right now.

 

[Quath]

Right, we don't know everything. So we can't claim an atom will last forever. However, the first post in this thread does the opposite and assume an atom will decay. There is no evidence of this while there is much more evidence that an atom will last.

Quath

 

[Heidi]

Right, we don't know everything. So we can't claim an atom will last forever. However, the first post in this thread does the opposite and assume an atom will decay. There is no evidence of this while there is much more evidence that an atom will last.

Quath

Nothing seen is eternal because it has a beginning and an end. We can see its parameters. So no, an atom will not last.

 

[MrVersatile48]

If Saturday..
is as nice as today..
CU..
@ Chester Zoo? :-D

Evo-loopies will NEVER find the MILLIONS of 'missing links' - @ EVERY so-called step of the so-called evolutionary (loopy!) ladder

Why?

They don't exist 8-)

Darwin drivel is brainwashing indoctrination, as I said on BBC Radio Merseyside on Tues, @ 12.10/12.20 :angel:

So...

Don't be brainwashed!!! :roll:

CU @ Chester Zoo picnic area Sat lunchtime :D

I'll have my praise tapes playing under a picnic table :-D

All the above invite has echoed round Liverpool's best acoustic spots today

Y not tape it - talk slow & emphasise the cononants to make the words carry clearer further, OK? - & play it in your local precincts & beauty spots this lovely day!!

Right back with link to my gum-chewing Elvis pic... :o