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[_ Old Earth _] Evolution cannot pass the barrier of death Creation can. Part 2

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If the yucca moth life history was bad enough for evolution theory
(which can only raise a few pathetic bleats about the supposed phylogeny of the plant and the moth), what can we say about the swim of the European eels?

The eel (Anguilla anguilla), which looks rather like a snake at first glance, is a fish which spends most of its life in freshwater as it grows to sexual maturity. Is found in all European countries bordering or connected to the North Atlantic.
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[FONT=&quot] When it arrives at maturity, in response to a most mysterious urge, it begins what is a nothing short of phenomenal migration, which ends in its death.

The adult eels swim down to the sea, leaving their freshwater habitat, and altering their internal physiology to handle life in salt water.


Other creatures can do this, but it is nonetheless a mighty physiological feat, as you would soon see if you added salt to your aquarium of goldfish bowl, to raise the salinity to seawater levels.


They then proceed to swim down the west coast of Europe, riding any southbound currents available, down the western coast of Africa, then they branch off toward the west, and swim to the Sargasso Sea.


It is an approximately 3000 mile swim, whic has the extraordinary feature (only recently discovered) that the eels swim at 3000 feet depth during the day, and at about 250' at night. The reason is unclear, but that is what happens. For more details, go here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8273000/8273877.stm

That is a sufficiently monumental feat all on its own.


For a submarine captain to perform a 3000 mile navigation feat at a depth of 3000 feet, with no instruments and guidance systems available, and hit the target on the nose would be described, perfectly fairly, as a modern miracle.


Yet, the eels do this every year.


But that's not the end of the story.


They spawn in the Sargasso, and as far as science knows, EVERY SINGLE ADULT dies.


The young eels which hatch out, called leptocephali migrate northward, again following the ocean currents to save energy.


When they hit the European continental shelf, they metamorphose into the transparent 'glass eels', and migrate up the rivers - changing their physiology to survive in freshwater.


It's so easy to write these words - but they conceal the most amazing realities.


Consider a baby making its way home from the hospital, making a journey of 3000 miles underwater to get there! That's probably the equivalent of a journey from Mexico to Canada. And the baby eels do it.


No parental guidance is available, since the parents are all dead - and even if they weren't, how could they make this enormous return journey?


The navigational instinct has crossed the barrier of death once more. Where does it reside? No one knows. But it is demonstrably there, and working at full blast.


So the two questions facing the evolutionists resurface once more.


How could this incredibly complex behaviour have originated?


And how could it enter the genome (which is presumably where it is)?


If a theory of origins cannot account for this absolutely
MAJOR phenomenon, then of what use is it? It is of no use whatsoever in accounting for the origin of this, and a multitude of other instincts.

Should be discarded, in favour of the better explanation.


Creation does it every time.

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Carl Jung explained these things as a pneumatic (mental) spiritual, or more than personal) element that is an organic part of the humanpsyche.

I perfer to call it the Unconscious mind.

Jung continues by stating that this spiritual (mental)element carries on an active dialogue with the personal element of the selfhood through the use of symbols, i.e.; the Unconscious mind "talks" to the Conscious mind without lnguage, but thru dreams or visions, or symbolic images.


Jung's third conclusion isthat the symbols proceed from the pneumatic component (Unconcious mind) of the soul (pyske' in the Greek Bible) and reveal a pathof spiritual or (mental) psychological development (i.e., what is revealed is the instructions that coach these behaviors which seem so weird to the observer), which can be traced, not onlybackward ( as information acquired prior to birth) toward a cause in the past ( which was the learning experience of the ancient of ancient privious ancestors of the creature), but forward, (in a Direct Evolution) to a goal in the future (which is to adapt to the coming changes in the environoment).

What is most amasing is that babies are born wherein"the form of the world into which a person is bornis already inborn in him, as a virtual image."
(Jung, 1953, pg 188).









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So another tread where Asyn finds an article, claims this disproves evolution, never shows how it does, but then uses the article to do a huge argument from ignorance fallacy. So in short, same thread different article.
 
So another tread where Asyn finds an article, claims this disproves evolution, never shows how it does, but then uses the article to do a huge argument from ignorance fallacy. So in short, same thread different article.
I think you got it.


Asyncritus, why do you repost the OP of a thread that you have abandoned elsewhere with several unanswered points left dangling? Do you imagine everyone has forgotten?

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=38473
 
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I think you got it.


Asyncritus, why do you repost the OP of a thread that you have abandoned elsewhere with several unanswered points left dangling? Do you imagine everyone has forgotten?

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=38473

Simple LK. I'm simply waiting for an answer of any reasonable sort to the 2 questions being asked.

I think you know that you have no idea, and that evolution has no idea either.

So I raise the points again. Maybe another pape-rrr has been produced which crashingly explains the solution to the problem. So tell us.
 
So another tread where Asyn finds an article, claims this disproves evolution, never shows how it does, but then uses the article to do a huge argument from ignorance fallacy. So in short, same thread different article.

You've been shown how it disproves evolution. Do you want me to repeat myself, or will you find it by yourself?
 
Simple LK. I'm simply waiting for an answer of any reasonable sort to the 2 questions being asked.

I think you know that you have no idea, and that evolution has no idea either.

So I raise the points again. Maybe another pape-rrr has been produced which crashingly explains the solution to the problem. So tell us.
Then simply return to the relevant thread, respond to the points made with reasoned argument and tell us how your 'two questions' have not been effectively dealt with. Trying to restart the discussion from the very beginning by reposting your OP from the original thread when your arguments ave already been addressed there smacks of avoidance. I for one have no intention of cutting and pasting from posts made there simply to satisfy your demands for arguments and points that you seem to have pretty much ignored already.
 
You've been shown how it disproves evolution. Do you want me to repeat myself, or will you find it by yourself?
Nope, you simply assert it disproves evolution because you personally don't believe that evolutionary theory can offer explanatory frameworks for the phenomena you present, a disbelief that several posters have shown you is simply wrong.
 
Nope, you simply assert it disproves evolution because you personally don't believe that evolutionary theory can offer explanatory frameworks for the phenomena you present, a disbelief that several posters have shown you is simply wrong.


2X

You are correct.

I insist that these examples are evidence of a Diret Evolution.

The gradul growth, maturation, and development of an evermore complex "Software" system that regulates both the nmetaphysicl activities and the biological behaviors of the orgnisms led to our own Unconsciou mind that Jung called the Phylogenetic memory of the past.
 
2X

You are correct.

I insist that these examples are evidence of a Diret Evolution.

The gradul growth, maturation, and development of an evermore complex "Software" system that regulates both the nmetaphysicl activities and the biological behaviors of the orgnisms led to our own Unconsciou mind that Jung called the Phylogenetic memory of the past.
Thanks. What do you mean by 'Diret Evolution'? Did you mistype 'Direct' or 'Directed', for example? How is this different from regular, every day evolution?
 
You've been shown how it disproves evolution. Do you want me to repeat myself, or will you find it by yourself?

In my decades of science, I've noticed creationists will triumphantly point out things we don't yet know about biology, as proof they are right.

Then, as we find out about them, they quietly slink away and look for something else we don't yet know.

And the gaps in which they hope to hide God get smaller and smaller. And God, I think, looks on with amusement and a little sadness.
 
So do I gather from this that evolution has nothing to offer on this point?

If so, perhaps you'd better tell LK, because he's still under the impression that it can.


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How long do you think that took?
 
So do I gather from this that evolution has nothing to offer on this point?

If so, perhaps you'd better tell LK, because he's still under the impression that it can.


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How long do you think that took?
I'm afraid your bizarre strawmen have very little to do with either evolutionary theory or the evidence that supports it.
 
People who are out of excuses often resort to pointless ridicule. That's Asyc's M.O.
 
Thanks. What do you mean by 'Diret Evolution'? Did you mistype 'Direct' or 'Directed', for example? How is this different from regular, every day evolution?


My fault... typo...

Directed Evolution is "leading from behind."

For humans, our Third Eye is the Collective Unconscious which is added to with every birth and changed as people die.











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Like a great teacher, slowly unforming humanity in better ways to Adaopt to the chaning environment, this is our lord and savior, i.e., the practical experiential manifestation of the Truth, collected and spanning observations phylogenetically for millions of years.
 
In my decades of science, I've noticed creationists will triumphantly point out things we don't yet know about biology, as proof they are right.

Then, as we find out about them, they quietly slink away and look for something else we don't yet know.

And the gaps in which they hope to hide God get smaller and smaller. And God, I think, looks on with amusement and a little sadness.


It is all because the membership is schooled by the old timers who merely repeat the Genesis story the way they heard it 9n their day.


The newbie christians do not read the Bible themselves, but have the "archaic party line" thrust on them which creates the mind set that later blinds them.

If they would read Genesis wuth real reading comprehension,they would see that verse by verse, science actually supports what is written.

This does not mean that bible can or ought be used as a science text, but it does mean that facts do not challenge Genesis.
 
The get out is now: the explanation of the eels' behaviour is 'on the other thread'.

It isn't.

If it is, bring it forth here, because I clearly missed it, as did everybody else who read the thread.
 
The get out is now: the explanation of the eels' behaviour is 'on the other thread'.

It isn't.

If it is, bring it forth here, because I clearly missed it, as did everybody else who read the thread.
Link to relevant thread provided below so that anyone interested can see for themselves how effectively you responded to points raised against your arguments, which is to say not at all:

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=38473
 
Link to relevant thread provided below so that anyone interested can see for themselves how effectively you responded to points raised against your arguments, which is to say not at all:

http://www.christianforums.net/showthread.php?t=38473


I notice that you live in a country where thinking is free and that your god is Nebo, the lord of science.

Have done any thinking over there, in regard to the Unconscious thinking to which I have referred a number of times.

And is there still a cost to one's reputation for speaking out his thoughts, free as they may be, in the land where you reside?

I wonder if you see any contradiction in favoring the God of Science over a Christ who said, he, himself, was the personification of The Truth, which he proclaimed that ideal of Truth as the way men need live their life accordingly?
 
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