Ex-Gay Backs Mohler: Homosexuality is a Sin

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In response to an evangelical leader's controversial article on the possibility of a biological marker on homosexuality, one ex-gay argues that homosexuality is already a changeable trait.
The fact is homosexuality – having no scientific, biological basis whatsoever – is already a changeable trait without a patch or injection, one that I have personally received 14 years ago: Jesus Christ," said Stephen Bennett, founder of the pro-family Stephen Bennett Ministries, in a released statement.

Bennett was responding to a recent blog post written by the Rev. R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, that was blasted by both Christians and homosexual advocates. The March 2 post that suggested homosexuality may be genetic in origin was seen as a challenge to conservative Christian belief that homosexuality is a matter of choice that can be overcome. And while opposed to genetic manipulations of all kinds, Mohler said if a hormone therapy were developed for fetuses that would help them be born straight rather than gay, he would support its use as he would support medical treatment to give sight to the blind fetus, according to Time magazine.

Bennett attributed the media storm over the blog post - which he says is based on pure speculation, questionable research and science fiction - to the premise that the reader could walk away with: "if someone is born a certain way, who are we to 'play God' and change nature?"

In a follow-up post last Friday, Mohler stated that if – “a big ‘if’†- science were ever to discover a biological basis for sexual orientation, Christians should not be surprised.

"Such a discovery, if it were to be accepted, would not change God's condemnation of all forms of homosexual behavior, nor would it mean that this represents the inviolable ‘identity’ of any individual,†he wrote. “As I argued previously, moral responsibility does not require absolute moral choice. A soldier in battle may not have chosen to be in a situation of moral anguish, but he is still absolutely responsible for his decisions and actions."

Mohler further reaffirmed that homosexual behavior, even if genetic in origin, is still a sin.

Bennett, a former gay man for 11 years, agreed with Mohler. "No matter the future's findings or lack thereof, homosexuality is, was and always will be 'sin' in God's eyes – an immoral, sexually behavior based lifestyle that should and can be changed," he stated.

While homosexual activists were upset over Mohler's position on homosexual behavior, Bennett gave reason to it being immoral.

"I agree with Dr. Mohler – all human beings are created in the image of God and deserve respect. However, as long as people like me – former homosexual individuals – exist and testify to God's life changing grace (and there are no doubt numerous men and women all around the world who have abandoned the practice of homosexual behavior), homosexual persons can never escape the real truth about their immoral lifestyle."

Bennett claims to have been sexually involved with over 100 men as a gay man. He now has a wife and two children and runs an organization to educate the world about the issue of homosexuality and how to compassionately minister to those affected.

To individuals such as Bennett, Mohler had expressed gratitude, urging all Christians to show compassion to those struggling with homosexuality.

"We should be thankful for those who, through biblical counsel and guidance, are helping homosexuals to find victory in Christ," he said on his blog as he reminded evangelical Christians that all are born sinners but cured with the cross of Christ.

The evangelical leader also acknowledged many persons struggling with homosexuality who do not know the origin of "this temptation" and "deny that they consciously chose it."

Regarding the struggle he faced as a homosexual and the temptation he overcame, Bennett put it simply:

"I had two choices set before me: what the world said about homosexuality – and what God and His Word said. Based upon God's truth that homosexuality is immoral, sinful and unnatural and same-sex attracted persons can change, as well as the eternal destiny in a place called Hell for unrepentant, practicing homosexuals, I have no regrets about choosing God's way over the world's when I abandoned my homosexuality in 1992. There are numerous other people just like me worldwide who made the same choice – and guess what: we have no regrets."

 

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A change of thought from the mouth of Dr. Robert L. Spitzer

"The DSM stands for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It's the publication of the American Psychiatric association, and it's kind of the bible of Psychiatry.

I came up with the definition in 1973 that made it possible to argue that homosexuality was not a mental disorder. The gay activists have taken the viewpoint that from a political strategic point of view, they do better if they could convince society at large that once you're homosexual you can never change. Now I can appreciate that that helps them politically, and I'm sympathetic towards their political goals, but I think it's just not true. "


Watch the film clip:What Dr. say about his 1973 removal of the term homosexuality as a Mental Disorder from the DSM

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Excerpts from:
Sexual Politics And Scientific Logic: The Issue Of Homosexuality
By Charles W. Socarides, M.D.

Charles W. Socarides, M.D. was Clinical Professor of Psychiatry, Albert Einstein College of Medicine/Montefiore Medical Center, New York City. Life Fellow, American Psychiatric Association; Member, American Psychoanalytic Association, International Psychoanalytic Association.

[In the late 1960’s] Clearly a disturbing trend was developing, with homosexuals banding together, not to demand help from psychiatry and the medical profession and public recognition of their condition (alongside those individuals with any form of neurosis or emotional disorder) or simply to protest against legal injustices, but to proclaim their "normality" and attack all opposition to this view. [/size

Psychiatrists who dared to speak of their clinical findings were "discredited" even in the pages of the official newspaper of our own organization, e.g., "Psychiatrists Blast Colleagues' 'Prejudice' Against Homosexuals" Psychiatric News, June 7, 1972). Some of these public attacks were augmented by hate-filled letters, threatening attacks over the telephone, and even threats of terrorist action against those who continued to speak of their scientific findings. Marmor, utilizing the nationwide distributing capacity of the newsletter distributed by SIECUS(3) (Scientific Information and Education Council of the U.S.), a private non-governmental organization heavily in favor of "new liberal concepts of sexuality" including homosexuality, denounced a Journal of the American Medical Association article entitled "Homosexuality and Medicine (1970) by this author as "an unfortunate potpourri of prejudice and misinformation [which] stems ... from obvious personal prejudices."

As a counter to such tactics, which tended to silence all scientific debate, I proposed to the New York County District Branch of the American Psychiatric Association (APA) that it should establish a task force as an official committee of that organization in order to shed light on the nature, meaning, and content of homosexuality to psychiatry and an increasingly bewildered public. Thus the first all-psychiatric task force on homosexuality was born. It was and has been the only such medically oriented body in the country. After two years of deliberations and sixteen meetings the task force, composed of a dozen experts affiliated with the major medical centers of New York City, attempted to submit its report on homosexuality to the Executive Council of the New York City District Branch, a report which unanimously documented the fact that exclusive homosexuality was a disorder of psychosexual development and simultaneously asked for civil rights for those suffering from the disorder. The report was "not acceptable" to the new members (and some old) of the Executive Committee.

In November 1973, I was asked by a Newsweek reporter if I would care to comment on the upcoming celebration/cocktail party to take place at the APA headquarters in Washington, D.C. in December commemorating the "greatest of gay victories"-the "purging" of homosexuality from the realm of psychiatry. Dr. Robert L. Spitzer, a psychiatrist at the Columbia University College of Physicians and Surgeons, and Secretary of the APA Committee on Nomenclature and Statistics, had been made chairman of the Nomenclature Task Force on Homosexuality, apparently setting it apart from the Nomenclature and Statistics Committee itself. Dr. Henry Brill, a respected and dignified psychiatrist embodying the best traditions of the state hospital system, had been removed from a position of authority in respect to the issue. Spitzer, who to my knowledge had never previously published a single article on homosexuality or the sexual deviations, had composed a position paper on the meaning and content of homosexuality. It was upon his rationale that the Nomenclature Committee (or the task force part of it) had proceeded. His new definition was sent to the Council on Research and Development. The head of the group, in a telephone call I made to him soon thereafter, stated: "After all, homosexuals must be protected and this might be the best way to do it." I argued that we were all for protecting the homosexual against persecution, but this was a different matter.

Should we dismiss our scientific findings for social/political reasons? Joseph Stalin's insistence on substituting Lamarckian concepts in place of those of Mendelian inheritance for political purposes and the serious consequences to the science of genetics immediately came to my mind. We psychoanalytic clinicians had long been and continue to be in the vanguard of protecting our homosexual patients against assertions of degeneracy and unfair laws. After all, it was Freud who first admitted homosexuals and others were sexually deviant into the consultation room as respected and worthy patients on a par with till those suffering from emotional disorders of any kind.

Despair would be created within the individual homosexual who wished help. The homosexual would forfeit his mammalian heritage, the chance to engage in the male-female design;

Suicides among those with gender identity disorder might well increase. Where would individuals get help if they could not turn to psychiatry? The individual homosexual who wished to be helped, to rid himself of his condition, would be doomed by pronouncements of the Board of Trustees, family and friends would despair.

Psychiatric residents would be reluctant to enter an area of psychiatric research where they would only receive attack, belittlement, and demeanment. Thus there would be a decrease in both our knowledge and psychiatric research in this condition.

By declaring a condition a "non-condition," a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved the out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports but also of a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years, for example, the Report of the Committee of Cooperation with Governmental (Federal) Agencies of the Group for the Advancement of Psychiatry (1955); the New York Academy of Medicine Report (1964); the Task Force Report of the New York County District Branch of the APA done in 1970-72 (Socarides, et. al., 1973).

Additional proof of the politicization of American psychiatry was to be provided later from an unexpected source: a book by Ronald Bayer, a fellow of the Hastings Institute of New York. He stated that Spitzer was "sympathetic to the viewpoint of the gay liberation group" (pp.130-131) and Brill was suffering from "indecision and discomfort with Spitzer's aggressive assumption of leadership on this issue." Even more important was the revelation (never previously acknowledged) that the Council on Research and Development of the APA did not officially investigate or study the issue thoroughly before it gave formal approval to the deletion of homosexuality from the DSM II.

It was to Monroe's council, comprised of five senior psychiatrists who were responsible for providing the APA with advice on matters of policy and with information on current issues in psychiatric research, that Spitzer's proposal [for deletion] was first under consideration. Though officially coming from the Committee on Nomenclature, in fact it had never been formally approved by its members and thus presented Spitzer's own effort to resolve what many APA leaders considered "a hot potato" (Bayer, pp.130-131, emphasis added).

To some American psychiatrists this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for they can be lost - a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences.

In the material cited above, I have described a movement within the American Psychiatric Association which through social/political activism has accomplished the first phase of a two-phase radicalization of a main pillar of psychosexual life: the erosion of heterosexuality as the single acceptable sexual pattern in our culture. The motive force for this movement was the wish to protect the homosexual against injustices and persecution which could to all intents and purposes have been removed by the demand for equal rights for the homosexual, a demand that could well have been fulfilled through humanitarian motivations so deeply embedded in our humanistic science. Instead, the false step of removing homosexuality from our Diagnostic and Statistical Manual was substituted. This amounted to a full approval of homosexuality and an encouragement to aberrancy by those who should have known better, both in the scientific sense and in the sense of the social consequences of such removal.

The devastating clinical fallout from this decision was to follow. Those who would wish to retain homosexuality as a valid diagnosis have been practically silenced by lectures, meetings, and publications, both originating within our association and from other sources. Political parties and religious leaders have been utilized to reinforce this silence. The press has been influenced as well as the media; television and movies promote homosexuality as an alternative life style as well as censor movies which might show homosexuality as a disorder. Homosexual sex education has entered our schools and colleges and pro-Gay activists, homosexual or otherwise, portray their way of life as "normal as apple pie" and intimidate others with different views.

In essence, this movement within the American Psychiatric Association has accomplished what every other society, with rare exceptions, would have trembled to tamper with, a revision of a basic code and concept of life and biology: that men and women normally mate with the opposite sex and not with each other.

Scientists, psychologists, psychiatrists, political leaders, public officials and others with vested interests today ransack literature for bits of fact and theory which can be pieced together into a pro-homosexual or bisexual concept of nature, man and society. Some of the individuals say that homosexuals are healthy, society is sick and that science should cure society. Others raise false or outdated scientific issues in their war with traditional values. Many of our values could use change, but polemical pseudoscience is not the way. No society has accepted adult preferential homosexuality. Nowhere is homosexuality or so-called bisexuality a desired end in itself. Nowhere do parents say: "It's all the same to me if my child is heterosexual or homosexual." Nowhere are homosexuals more than a small minority at the present time. Nowhere does homosexuality per se place one in an enviable position (Karlen, A., 1971).

Excerpts from: "Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality," by Charles Socarides, M.D. This invaluable 22-page paper originally appeared in the Journal of Psychohistory. The paper is a detailed, behind-the-scenes historical description of the deletion of homosexuality from the Diagnostic Manual. Order the entire 22-page paper for $15 by calling NARTH at 818-789-4440.
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The Removal of Homosexuality from the Psychiatric Manual-by Dr. Joseph Nicolosi of National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality

All three great pioneers of psychiatry--Freud, Jung and Adler--saw homosexuality as disordered. Yet today, homosexuality is not to be found in the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.
Were these three great pioneers just reflecting the ignorance and prejudice of their times? Is this radical shift due to our modern-day enlightened, sophisticated attitude? Has there been any new research to account for this shift of opinion?

I submit that no new psychological or sociological research justifies this shift. Research did not settle the question. Research simply stopped, and it is politics that has silenced the professional dialogue. Now, the only studies on homosexuality are from an advocacy perspective.
Militant gay advocates working in a small but forceful network have caused apathy and confusion within our society. They insist that acceptance of the homosexual as a person cannot occur without endorsement of the homosexual condition. Intellectual circles too--who are self-conscious about sounding intolerant--proclaim homosexuality as normal, yet it is still not so for the average person for whom it "just doesn't seem right."

History of Diagnosis

In 1952, the original Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) listed homosexuality among the sociopathic personality disturbances.

In 1968, DSM II removed homosexuality from the sociopathic list, categorizing it with other sexual deviations.

Then in 1973, the DSM III showed the most striking change of all: homosexuality was considered a problem only when it was dissatisfying to the person. When the condition was compatible ("ego-syntonic")--and the person was comfortable with his homosexual thoughts, feelings and behavior--homosexuality was not considered pathological.

This is, I believe, a false distinction. The problem lies not in the person's attitude toward his homosexuality, but in the homosexuality itself. I believe that while homosexuality may be compatible with the conscious ego, it can never be compatible on the deepest levels of self. Homosexuality, as we will show, is symptomatic failure to integrate self-identity. Symptoms will always emerge to indicate its incompatibility with a man's true nature.

The DSM III was further revised, and now homosexuality is not referred to at all: no reference is made to it by name within the diagnostic manual.

Actually, there is an oblique reference in the catch-all category of "Other Sexual Disorders Not Otherwise Specified." Here they describe "Persistent and Marked Distress About One's Sexual Orientation." Reference to homosexual orientation is avoided as if "persistent and marked distress" could also apply to heterosexuality.

Yet in the history of psychiatry, has a heterosexual ever sought treatment for distress about his heterosexuality and wished to become homosexual? When I put that question in correspondence to the chairman of the DSM Nomenclature Committee, Robert L. Spitzer, he replied: "the answer, as you suspected, is no."

Why does the profession no longer consider homosexuality a problem?

Political Factors

In his scholarly analysis of the American Psychiatric Association's reversal of the diagnostic classification of homosexuality, Ronald Bayer (1981) states: "the result was not a conclusion based upon an approximation of the scientific truth as dictated by reason, but was instead an action demanded by the ideological temper of the times" (p. 3-4).

The combined effects of the sexual revolution and the "rights" movements--civil rights, minority rights, feminist rights--have resulted in an intimidating effect upon psychology. Some writers have even questioned whether "straights" are capable of doing research on homosexuality (Suppe, 1982). Because there is a fear of offending any vocal minority or of being considered judgmental, there has been little critique of the quality of gay life.

Although recent behavioral inventories of homosexual men have revealed more anonymous sex than previously imagined, it is like the case of the Emperor's new clothes: everyone sees the problem, but no one dares acknowledge the obvious.

The removal of homosexuality from the DSM had the effect of discouraging treatment and research. The bulk of early psychodynamic research and theory beginning with Freud indicated that homosexuality is not a natural, inborn condition. Yet the literature came to an abrupt stop when it became "common knowledge" that homosexuality was in fact not a problem. This discouraged clinicians from communicating with each other, and from making presentations at professional meetings.

The silence among researchers was not brought about by new scientific evidence showing homosexuality to be a normal and healthy variant of human sexuality; rather it became fashionable not to discuss homosexuality as a problem any longer.

Other pro-gay researchers fear any inquiry into psychological causes would amount to a concession of pathology; after all, there has been no similar investigation of the causes of heterosexuality (Stein and Cohen, 1986). They have encouraged only the search for a genetic or endocrine basis for homosexuality, in the belief that such a discovery would once and for all resolve the issue of homosexuality's normality.

We too consider it possible that there could be some predisposing genetic factors; but in this regard we see a parallel with alcoholism. Although there is now greater recognition of some biological predisposition to alcoholism, we continue to acknowledge it as problematic, we continue to treat it, and we still find the most successful treatments to be psychological, social and spiritual supportive therapy.

Humanitarian Motives

Beyond political pressures, there were two other reasons why the psychiatric profession removed homosexuality from its diagnostic manual.

The first reason is that psychiatry hoped to eliminate social discrimination by removing the stigma of "sick" attributed to homosexual people (Bayer, 1981; Barnhouse, 1977). Most psychotherapists are personally committed to removing emotional distress and diminishing the destructive effects of socially-imposed guilt. There was a leap of assumption that continued diagnosis of homosexuality would perpetuate society's prejudice and the homosexual person's social suffering.

The second reason is that the psychological profession has failed to identify, with certainty, the psychodynamic causes of homosexuality, and consequently to devise a consistently successful treatment for it. Historically, the cure rate in the treatment of homosexuality has been modest. In those few studies that do claim success, the percentage of clients converted to heterosexuality runs from 15-30%, and there is question whether the "cure" was maintained on long-term follow up. Such results have culminated in an acceptance of the condition.

However, while the humanitarian intent must not go unappreciated, failure by the profession to find a consistently successful cure should not be the criterion for determining normalcy. We are resorting to the logic "if we can't fix it, it ain't broke."

The psychological profession is responsible for diagnosis--for identifying what is "disease" or "loss of ease" within the person. It is not for the profession to erase diagnosis for lack of a ready cure.

The New Problem of Reverse Discrimination

While the intention has been to end discrimination, one result has been discrimination for a different group of people--those men whose social and moral values and sense of self cannot incorporate their homosexuality.

In its new outspokenness, the gay movement portrays a false scenario wherein the so-called "victim-patient" is invariably preyed upon by the "victimizing mental-health professional" who trades on such a man's homophobia. Forgotten is the homosexual who, out of a different vision of personal wholeness, legitimately seeks growth and change through the help of a professional. Unfortunately, these men have been labeled victims of psychological and religious oppression rather than the courageous men they are, committed to an authentic vision.

Failure by the psychiatric profession to recognize homosexuality as an unwanted condition for some, serves to discourage members of the mental health profession from offering treatment. Most harmfully, the client himself is disheartened, since the very profession to which he turns for help tells him that it is not a problem and he must accept it. :o
It is extremely demoralizing for a client to persist in attempting to overcome homosexuality when the psychological profession--which would administer treatment--insists he does not have a problem.

Some people define the whole person by his unwanted sexual behavior, basing upon the simplistic phenomenological premise: "You are what you do." In contrast, my clients experience their homosexual orientation and behavior as at odds with who they really are. For these men, their values, ethics, and traditions carry more weight in defining their personal identity than their sexual feelings.

Our approach views sexual behavior as just one aspect of a man's identity: an identity which may continually deepen, grow, even change--through his relationship with others and with his Creator.
Is it possible to address the needs of the dissatisfied homosexual and still propose a model of psychological disorder which will not offend those who do not wish to change? The only answer is to "agree to disagree"--by allowing the debate to continue rather than through pressure and intimidation, putting an end to the discussion.

The Failure of the Mental Health Profession

Today, influenced by the popular assumption that homosexuality is in no way amenable to change, psychotherapists proceed to bring about "cure" by encouraging the client to accept his homosexuality. The most effective treatment is considered to be desensitization to feelings of guilt. :o This is done not because therapists necessarily advocate the gay lifestyle, but because they see no successful treatment. :o

Renowned behavioral psychologist Joseph Wolpe was faced with a Catholic client who felt guilty about his homosexuality. Wolpe had to decide which behavior to extinguish--the homosexuality or the religious guilt. Rather than the homosexuality, he chose to extinguish the guilt. :o
This case is an example of the power of the therapist and a decision made all too often by the psychological profession. (Two interesting notes on this case: First, Wolpe said he made his decision based upon a belief that homosexuality was biologically determined. Second, the client later discovered heterosexual attraction on his own and was married, and Wolpe determined him to be cured of homosexuality.)

Today psychology claims to work from a "value-free" philosophy. However, decisions such as this--to eliminate religious guilt--are in fact being made from another value hierarchy of the therapist's choosing.

Leahey (1987) describes how psychology was first understood to be the practical application of philosophy. This philosophy was based in morality and religious principles, emphasizing man's need to be attuned to his spiritual nature.

By the end of the l9th century, the newer scientific, rationalistic tradition arose in opposition to this tradition. Psychology sought to break all ties with its philosophical roots and to be the objective, empirical and "value-free" science of human nature. The myth was, Leahey says, that we had at last found a philosophically-neutral psychology.

In the 1960's, the humanistic movement then influenced this psychology in the direction of a new (but disguised) version of moral authority. Its new reliance was on the gauge of "feelings" to assess morality (Leahey, 1987).

This popular movement of the sixties and seventies criticized what psychology had been and preached emotional openness, spontaneity and being true to oneself. Growth was no longer seen as a product of intelligence and problem solving but rather was viewed solely in emotional terms. "'Feeling good about yourself' became the litmus test of good behavior, a sort of bastardized moral sense" (Leahey, 1987).

Humanistic psychology rejected much of the rationalism of the psychoanalytic tradition. It introduced instead the soft sentiment of full acceptance of the person, as he is, without expectations. Following the influence of Carl Rogers' client-centered philosophy, therapists were expected to remain neutral, non-directive and not to contaminate the therapy through any sort of value system. :o

However, in reality, effective treatment takes its direction from a shared value system between client and therapist. Neither psychology nor any other science can address the question of "what is" without some perspective on "what ought to be."

Because of his day-to-day involvement in the human drama, the clinical psychologist is particularly enmeshed in philosophical issues. He must help people who are struggling for answers, and those answers are not to be found solely in behavioral data. Neither will they emerge in a value-free and non-directive client-therapist interaction. Rather, they unfold through the active interplay between client and therapist within the context of their shared world view.

The "non-gay homosexual" is my name for the homosexual struggler who holds the conviction that all men are essentially heterosexual. For such a man, growth is promoted by an anchoring scheme of values and ideals supported by conventional society, perhaps his religious tradition, and--most essentially--a psychotherapist who shares his perspective of the homosexual condition. Indeed it would be demeaning not to provide a treatment for those who value and freely desire growth out of homosexuality.

"Cure" vs. "Change"

In his final work, Psychoanalysis: Terminable and Interminable, Freud concluded that analysis is essentially a lifetime process. This is true in the treatment of homosexuality, which--like many other therapeutic issues such as alcoholism, unhealthy eating habits, or deeply engrained self-esteem problems--requires an ongoing growth process.

Yet while there are no shortcuts to personal growth, how long it takes to reach a goal is not as important as the choice of direction. A sense of progress toward a committed value is what is most important. The non-gay homosexual is on the road to unifying his sexuality with his masculine identity. When he can look back over the past months and see a realization of some of the goals he has committed to, he gains hope.

To some, this approach may sound reactionary and anti-gay, anti-sexual, anti-freedom. Rather, for those men who seek an alternative to the gay lifestyle, this is progressive treatment. Indeed, many men have found these ideas to reflect a truth they sense within themselves. This approach acknowledges the value of gender difference, the worth of family and traditional social values, and the importance of the prevention of gender confusion in children.
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my comments:

As you can see, it was back in the late 60's the psychologists were FORCED to make changes in their analysis and diagnosis.

And as you can see from the posting above this one, Dr. Spitzer is now singing another tune on this very issue he changed back in the early 70's.


Psychology makes it all so complicated, and political psychology makes psychological research taboo.

However, the bible doesn't sugar coat anything on this issue. It is clear and as time goes on, the bible proves to stand righteous on matters of human behavior. When God says something is an abomination, it is not a lie, but His word is one in which you can trust and be rest assured.

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New Study on Reparative Therapies
by Robert L. Spitzer, M.D.

Robert L. Spitzer, M.D., is Professor of Psychiatry and Chief of
Biometrics Research Department at the New York State Psychiatric
Institute in New York City, USA. He has achieved international
recognition as an authority in psychiatric assessment and the
classification of mental disorders.

Dr. Spitzer was at the center of the 1973 American Psychiatric
Association's (APA) decision to remove homosexuality from its list of
mental disorders, the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual).
Talking to former homosexuals at the 1999 APA annual meeting resulted in
Dr. Spitzer's new interest in studying the effectiveness of sexual
reorientation therapies.

"Like most psychiatrists," said Dr. Spitzer, "I thought that homosexual
behavior could be resisted, but sexual orientation could not be changed.
I now believe that's untrue - some people can and do change." In his new study announced May 9, 2001 at the annual meeting of the
American Psychiatric Association, Dr. Robert L. Spitzer released the
evidence for his conclusions. The print of his presentation is
courtesy of Dr. Spitzer:

read whole article here:
http://www.pfox.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=30

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