Ex Nihilo/Opposites

[twinc]

many say and accept and would have others accept that everything came from nothing whilst the wiser ones it seems say and accept and would have others also accept that everything came from everything - if we start from the beginning with absolute nothing - nothing cannot have any properties or attributes - in particular nothing cannot have length, volume, time or intelligence. It can have neither beginning nor end - it cannot have an origin and it cannot be a thing - in short it cannot have the property of existence and so cannot exist. Since it is true that 'absolute nothing' cannot exist anywhere at any time, then its opposite/inverse must also be true that 'absolute everything' must exist always and everywhere. The absolute existence must have all the inverse properties of nothingness. Whereas the nothing has no size, the inverse must be infinite in extent or omnipresence. whereas nothing has no knowledge it inverse must be omniscient. Whereas nothing has no existence, its inverse must have infinite existence. Whereas nothing has no power, its inverse is omnipotent. These are precisely the characteristics of God as presented by Scriptures - so there was nothing at all before God and God came from nowhere for there was nowhere He could come from[Dr.Brunton] - any comments - twinc

 

[reba]

what?

 

[twinc]

what?

any comments - any discussion - twinc

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Whatchoo' talkin' 'bout Willis?

 

[TOG]

Whatchoo' talkin' 'bout Willis?

Nothing.

The TOG​

 

[twinc]

Nothing.

The TOG​

well said and not only that but have you noticed that 'much ado about nothing ' means everything to many - twinc

 

[Milk-Drops]

what?

Nothing is an impossible concept to Twinc and he declares that God is the opposite of nothing/ this imposibility. Twinc does a lot of this in the science forum, its fun at first but you can't get him to actually explain anything and it comes off as if he is either a troll or just turning every conversation into a mind game for his own enjoyment.


A lot of the things he has to say can be understood if you weed out all the extra adjectives and repeated ( but worded different) sentences.

 

[jeff77]

Please remember the ToS...not necessarily directed at the last poster

1) Give other members the respect you would have them give to yourself. (ToS 2.4)
Address issues/ideas, not persons or personalities. Do not insult, publicly post derogatory opinions of others, post insinuation to belittle or discredit, or otherwise create a hostile environment. Present evidence for support or rebuttal during debate. Bashing the author of another view or opinion is not evidence.

 

[Mike S]

many say and accept and would have others accept that everything came from nothing whilst the wiser ones it seems say and accept and would have others also accept that everything came from everything - if we start from the beginning with absolute nothing - nothing cannot have any properties or attributes - in particular nothing cannot have length, volume, time or intelligence. It can have neither beginning nor end - it cannot have an origin and it cannot be a thing - in short it cannot have the property of existence and so cannot exist. Since it is true that 'absolute nothing' cannot exist anywhere at any time, then its opposite/inverse must also be true that 'absolute everything' must exist always and everywhere. The absolute existence must have all the inverse properties of nothingness. Whereas the nothing has no size, the inverse must be infinite in extent or omnipresence. whereas nothing has no knowledge it inverse must be omniscient. Whereas nothing has no existence, its inverse must have infinite existence. Whereas nothing has no power, its inverse is omnipotent. These are precisely the characteristics of God as presented by Scriptures - so there was nothing at all before God and God came from nowhere for there was nowhere He could come from[Dr.Brunton] - any comments - twinc

God exists outside time and space, and has created both. Such comments, therefore, as "whereas the nothing has no size" or "nothing cannot have any properties or [sic] attributes" are nonsensical, since the author is arguing prior restraint by limits that exist only after creation. If God is creating something from nothing (which He also created) He's not limited by attributes or properties He Himself creates.

It seems the author has completely misunderstood the concept of creatio ex nihilo

 

[for_his_glory]

twinc, why are you so fixated on this anyway, especially if you are a child of God, who created everything out of nothing. There are just some things you have to take by faith as there is no logical explanations when it comes to the things of God in the beginning.
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[Malachi]

While there was neither matter nor energy in this universe, God was there from all eternity. Scripture says that "He spake [spoke] and it was done" (Ps 33:9). Scripture also says that "The worlds were framed by the Word of God" (Heb 11:3). That corresponds to John 1:1-3 where we read that the Word of God (the eternal Son) created all things, and that there was nothing which was not created by Him.

Now in Greek Word is Logos, and Logos means "word" as well as "the Divine Expression". Thoughts are in fact words, and before God created the universe He had thoughts about its creation, which He then expressed through the Lord Jesus Christ by bringing all things "out of nothing" (ex nihilo).

But that "nothing" was first thoughts in the mind of God, and thought is indeed a form of energy. The brain works through electrical impulses, so thoughts are a form of electrical energy. So while we say that God created the universe out of nothing, His thoughts, which translated into His spoken words brought everything into existence. Thus we read again and again in Genesis chapter 1, "And God said" (vv. 3,6, 9,11,14,20,24,26). God used words by the Word of God to created all things. God only has to speak, and it becomes an accomplished fact. Such is the Almighty creative power of the LORD God Almighty.